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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 7, 2016 21:43:48 GMT
He has made some mistsakes but a decent team would help a young keeper , we don't have a decent team
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Post by crapslinger on May 7, 2016 21:45:15 GMT
He has made some mistsakes but a decent team would help a young keeper , we don't have a decent team Who do you blame for that ?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 21:57:33 GMT
Agreed fuck off hauugaard and take Hughes with you!
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Post by foster on May 7, 2016 22:12:26 GMT
Agreed fuck off hauugaard and take Hughes with you! Err no. Just Jakob.
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Post by crapslinger on May 7, 2016 22:41:13 GMT
Agreed fuck off hauugaard and take Hughes with you! Err no. Just Jakob. No take them both, new balls please.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on May 7, 2016 22:48:12 GMT
He's got to stop that free kick from the position he's in
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Post by st3mark on May 7, 2016 22:50:32 GMT
He's got to stop that free kick from the position he's in His positioning was terrible that was the problem.
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Post by jezzascfc on May 7, 2016 22:51:12 GMT
He is to goalkeeping what Jonny Tex is to central defending. Both are terrible scouting jobs. We tried to provide cover for Jack on the cheap with a 40 year old and an inexperienced kid who was even dropped by his Danish team last season. We have now been found out on that front. We need to recruit better back up this summer.
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Post by Titan Uranus on May 7, 2016 23:44:22 GMT
He is to goalkeeping what Jonny Tex is to central defending. Both are terrible scouting jobs. We tried to provide cover for Jack on the cheap with a 40 year old and an inexperienced kid who was even dropped by his Danish team last season. We have now been found out on that front. We need to recruit better back up this summer. Premier League manager sanctioning this signing .... ????
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Post by roylandstoke on May 8, 2016 3:07:12 GMT
Don't know about the worst ever but he is very poor. He is probably the poorest player in any position to represent us since promotion, and yes I am including Woodgate at RB.
Can't think of one save he has made that I wouldn't have made.
I would give Bachman a go next week.
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Post by upthefud on May 8, 2016 3:11:25 GMT
Isn't it funny how it's the same posters who were lobbying for him to play in the first place who refuse to accept how utterly shambolic he's been. We now need to win against West Ham to be sure of making the top 10.
What an utterly shite end to the season, so different to this time last year.
As for Haugaard, he deserves a run of games about as much as any poster on here does, he's woeful.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 3:59:57 GMT
Agreed fuck off hauugaard and take Hughes with you! Christ on a bike doing wheelies, they are all let loose this weekend.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on May 8, 2016 4:41:38 GMT
Worse than Ronnie Sinclair? Brian Horne? Tony Parkes? Gordon Marshall? Barry siddall? Neville Southall? Kevin pressman? Most of those keepers had decent top flight careers but joined us either on loan or at the end of their careers. Pressman and Southall both had excellent top flight careers. Sinclair wasn't brilliant but was part of our title winning side of 92/93. Haugaard looks like he's not going to have any kind of career though and from that list only gormless Gordon Marshall compares. A new second choice keeper (first choice if Butland leaves) has to be a priority in the summer.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on May 8, 2016 4:48:07 GMT
Looked a strange signing at the time with him just being displaced half way through the Danish season at Midjylland by some veteran with not much of a CV. Fair to say I'm not exactly convinced. But once Butland's fit, it'll be a non-issue. Unless Butland gets injured again or gets his head turned by better offers. He's English and highly rated which means he'll be highly sought after.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on May 8, 2016 5:31:41 GMT
If we are to keep him then a full season at a lower level to bring his confidence & ability up to scratch will be the only option. At the moment, with a poor defence ahead of him its not nice to watch at all
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Post by liam007 on May 8, 2016 6:00:53 GMT
Come on guys. The worst keeper is Stuart Roberts. We aren't talking that bad. At least Haugaard would get a few games at Leek Town if their regular keeper can't make a game due to work commitments. Don't think he would get in the Leek team mate,i've seen them play a few times this season and he is nowhere as good as Chris Martin(Leek Keeper). Sadly i don't see him be good enough.
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Post by mrred on May 8, 2016 6:51:24 GMT
I've just seen the highlights. The blokes a fucking train wreck .
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Post by j3st3r on May 8, 2016 6:57:21 GMT
I dont think you can put all the blame at his feet, but its a pretty well known fact that confidence comes from the back, and if the defense dont trust the keeper (and how could they) that in itself will breed an amount of nervousness and trepidation.
I know its impossible to know for sure and there are many things that swing games, but it does feel that since he's played for us, we've lost or drawn games that we otherwise would have taken more points from. Feels to me like we're probably 4-5 points worse off than we would have been with Jack in goal. Impossible to prove obviously, but I wonder if people would be as up in arms if we'd have taken at least 4 points from the Swansea and Palace games...
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 8, 2016 10:01:22 GMT
Bobby Irvine will be remembered with much "affection" by older Stokies I'm sure
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 10:06:44 GMT
I can see both Butland and Arnautovic being the subject of attention this Summer.
Whilst I haven't seen enough of Haugaard to say that he's the worst ever, or whatever, and I'm sure he's not...he does have the air of a Gordon Marshall about him. Saves the type of stuff any goalkeeper would, then found wanting on the stuff any goalkeeper should.
As someone's already pointed out, far from being a kiddie, he's older than Butland.
It's become 'yet another' area of priority.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 8, 2016 10:56:39 GMT
Just highlighted on Goals on Sunday it was actually Pieters fault as he moves out of the wall just before the free kick
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Post by Davef on May 8, 2016 10:59:41 GMT
Just highlighted on Goals on Sunday it was actually Pieters fault as he moves out of the wall just before the free kick Haugaard should still save it. A keeper at this level can't be letting in shots like that (and that Moreno one at Anfield).
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 8, 2016 11:08:29 GMT
Just highlighted on Goals on Sunday it was actually Pieters fault as he moves out of the wall just before the free kick Haugaard should still save it. A keeper at this level can't be letting in shots like that (and that Moreno one at Anfield). Don't disagree but Pieters was also at fault
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Post by AlliG on May 8, 2016 21:54:53 GMT
I can see both Butland and Arnautovic being the subject of attention this Summer. Whilst I haven't seen enough of Haugaard to say that he's the worst ever, or whatever, and I'm sure he's not...he does have the air of a Gordon Marshall about him. Saves the type of stuff any goalkeeper would, then found wanting on the stuff any goalkeeper should. As someone's already pointed out, far from being a kiddie, he's older than Butland. It's become 'yet another' area of priority. I actually think using Jack's age as a stick to beat Jakob with is a bit unfair. Jack is an exception because 23 or 24 is very young for a keeper and is usually an age where keepers are still learning and making mistakes and therefore in keeper terms he really is still "a kiddie". (There is no comparison say between Kasper Schmichael now at 29 and the keeper he was 5 or 6 years ago) Not sure agree with your Gordon Marshall analogy. I seem to recall that Marshall's problem was exactly the opposite of what you mentioned. The ability to concede a goal even when the ball wasn't actually going in. When Jack (and Asmir) first arrived they made plenty of mistakes (especially on crosses) but they also mixed in enough brilliant shot-stopping to suggest that with good coaching and more experience they could be a bit "special". Unfortunately Jakob seems just a bit too much "Ronnie Sinclair". If the ball is straight at him he stops it (unlike Gordon Marshall) but if it goes a couple of yards either side, it is a goal. I can't remember either making a save that that left me impressed. The margins between success and failure at this level can be very fine and just 1 or 2 top class saves at the right time can make all the difference. If Jakob was in goal for Leicester, does anyone think they would have won the Premier League (or even been Top 4)? I think we were spoiled by having 3 keepers (Asmir, Tommy & Jack) who were all good enough to be 1st choice in the Premier League. I am not going to write off Jakob yet, but I do think we need a better back up to Jack than either Shay or Jakob next season.
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Post by upthefud on May 8, 2016 23:43:29 GMT
What's he done to suggest that he deserves another go?
He's letting shots from 25 yards go in that aren't in the corners and he has absolutely no command of his penalty area.
Behind Neville Southall he's the worst keeper I've seen us play.
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Post by spitthedog on May 9, 2016 0:04:18 GMT
Steve 'not Gordon' Banks wasn't very good. Steve Banks made some quality saves. He did indeed.
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Post by spitthedog on May 9, 2016 0:06:23 GMT
I don't think it's a stretch to say that Butland has saved us from relegation this season. We would definitely have had 10 points less without him
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Post by turtlefox on May 9, 2016 0:13:42 GMT
Too early to judge him. This league is demanding and is costly if mistakes are made. You don't have much time to adjust but he was our third string keeper only 2 months ago. The step up is huge for a player. Butland was on our books for a good few years and had a few, not very good spells out on loan but all of that is forgotten now. Give him time, we all need that at some point.
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Post by cousindupree on May 9, 2016 7:28:10 GMT
Needs a good pre-season
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 7:51:00 GMT
I can see both Butland and Arnautovic being the subject of attention this Summer. Whilst I haven't seen enough of Haugaard to say that he's the worst ever, or whatever, and I'm sure he's not...he does have the air of a Gordon Marshall about him. Saves the type of stuff any goalkeeper would, then found wanting on the stuff any goalkeeper should. As someone's already pointed out, far from being a kiddie, he's older than Butland. It's become 'yet another' area of priority. I actually think using Jack's age as a stick to beat Jakob with is a bit unfair. Jack is an exception because 23 or 24 is very young for a keeper and is usually an age where keepers are still learning and making mistakes and therefore in keeper terms he really is still "a kiddie". (There is no comparison say between Kasper Schmichael now at 29 and the keeper he was 5 or 6 years ago) Not sure agree with your Gordon Marshall analogy. I seem to recall that Marshall's problem was exactly the opposite of what you mentioned. The ability to concede a goal even when the ball wasn't actually going in. When Jack (and Asmir) first arrived they made plenty of mistakes (especially on crosses) but they also mixed in enough brilliant shot-stopping to suggest that with good coaching and more experience they could be a bit "special". Unfortunately Jakob seems just a bit too much "Ronnie Sinclair". If the ball is straight at him he stops it (unlike Gordon Marshall) but if it goes a couple of yards either side, it is a goal. I can't remember either making a save that that left me impressed. The margins between success and failure at this level can be very fine and just 1 or 2 top class saves at the right time can make all the difference. If Jakob was in goal for Leicester, does anyone think they would have won the Premier League (or even been Top 4)? I think we were spoiled by having 3 keepers (Asmir, Tommy & Jack) who were all good enough to be 1st choice in the Premier League. I am not going to write off Jakob yet, but I do think we need a better back up to Jack than either Shay or Jakob next season. All fair points. That said, I think that Haugaard's weaknesses are being glossed over a tad, by the fact that we are at the 'nothing' end of the season. If we were still in business, he'd be getting battered on here and probably on MOTD. I have been impressed by his kicking. But that's it.
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