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Post by spitthedog on May 2, 2016 23:25:19 GMT
Brilliant performance from the referee. Outstanding understanding of the game and its importance in footballing history. Never once tried to be the centre of attention and did literally everything to keep it eleven a side. Mr. Clattenburg take a bow! Agreed, this was a ref who was thinking 'what do fans want from a game like this?' , not 'what do I want' or what do those arses who want red cards for every wayward tackle or push and shove. This was a ref remembering that it is a man's game and in a big game there is going to be bit aggro from time to time and that a bit of fire actually adds something to the spectacle. Refs need to use there own instincts and not be distracted by the letter of the law, many of which have contributed to taking the soul out of football. He never let the players get the better of him though they pushed him to the limit. That was one of the hardest game he's probably ever going to have to manage.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 2, 2016 23:49:10 GMT
If that had have been Stoke instead of Spurs,I wonder how many of our players would have still been on the pitch after 90mins.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 23:54:46 GMT
Brilliant performance from the referee. Outstanding understanding of the game and its importance in footballing history. Never once tried to be the centre of attention and did literally everything to keep it eleven a side. Mr. Clattenburg take a bow! Agreed, this was a ref who was thinking 'what do fans want from a game like this?' , not 'what do I want' or what do those arses who want red cards for every wayward tackle or push and shove. This was a ref remembering that it is a man's game and in a big game there is going to be bit aggro from time to time and that a bit of fire actually adds something to the spectacle. Refs need to use there own instincts and not be distracted by the letter of the law, many of which have contributed to taking the soul out of football. He never let the players get the better of him though they pushed him to the limit. That was one of the hardest game he's probably ever going to have to manage. All we're looking for is consistency though. Liverpool v Man U is a big game where passions run high. If a couple of Man U players get away with bad fouls because it's a big game, but on the same weekend we have a couple of key players sent off in a game v Norwich for committing exactly the same offences, then the following week we play a full strength Man U and we're a couple of men down, that's not right is it? Let stuff go by all means, but do it for all teams. Our games are as important to us as the bigger clubs games are to them.
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Post by bookofsouls23 on May 3, 2016 0:26:26 GMT
Clattenburg awesome last night Best ref by far. Kept complete control over a super charged game. Some of them tackles,challenges were frightening.
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Post by djduncanjames on May 3, 2016 1:58:26 GMT
Perhaps consistency can somehow now be gleaned from a match like this? Who knows.. The flow of the game as the barometer perhaps? The FA will ban those who were reckless and violent, the referee did his best to let 11 men compete against each other, on their own terms, the tackles were equally hard. Twatkinson would have had the game abandoned, how would everyone feel then? I thought Clattenburg was brilliant tonight, best match I've seen him referee for sure. Werrington does have a point for sure, no doubt at all there. But Mr. Webb let loads go in our semi final, never seen anyone saying he reffed a shit game on here and talking about inconsistent reffing after that match?... I thought it was a breath of fresh air and was a true, well fought match from two of London's biggest football clubs, fighting to the death. You would never see a match like that in any other league on the planet!
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Post by kustokie on May 3, 2016 3:46:11 GMT
Frankly, I thought he lost control. I appreciate that he tried to keep the game flowing and showed restraint in not fiashing red cards that would have changed the game completely, However, he kept the yellow card in his pocket too long and things got out of hands, resulting in some bad tackles that could have caused injuries.
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Post by roylandstoke on May 3, 2016 7:49:39 GMT
Clattenburg awesome last night Best ref by far. Kept complete control over a super charged game. Some of them tackles,challenges were frightening.And yet they went unpunished. The ref lost all control of the game. The players were allowed to show dissent towards virtually every one of his decisions. Officials from the clubs were allowed to enter the field of play and at times the match descended into brawls. What an awful example to set for the rest of football. I suppose there are some who think Howard Webb was great in the world cup final too.
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Post by mondeoman on May 3, 2016 7:53:42 GMT
What a load of bollocks he bottled it big time shoukd have given at least 3 red cards, disgraceful display Correct, he should have sent himself off for utterly failing to control the mayhem that was happening, he even got physically shoved around by some players and still did nowt.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 3, 2016 9:39:09 GMT
Agreed, this was a ref who was thinking 'what do fans want from a game like this?' , not 'what do I want' or what do those arses who want red cards for every wayward tackle or push and shove. This was a ref remembering that it is a man's game and in a big game there is going to be bit aggro from time to time and that a bit of fire actually adds something to the spectacle. Refs need to use there own instincts and not be distracted by the letter of the law, many of which have contributed to taking the soul out of football. He never let the players get the better of him though they pushed him to the limit. That was one of the hardest game he's probably ever going to have to manage. All we're looking for is consistency though. Liverpool v Man U is a big game where passions run high. If a couple of Man U players get away with bad fouls because it's a big game, but on the same weekend we have a couple of key players sent off in a game v Norwich for committing exactly the same offences, then the following week we play a full strength Man U and we're a couple of men down, that's not right is it? Let stuff go by all means, but do it for all teams. Our games are as important to us as the bigger clubs games are to them. The problem is of course is that there is only one Mark Clattenburg and unfortunately he can't referee every game.
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Post by PotterLog on May 3, 2016 15:18:22 GMT
Did a good job - didn't get caught up in all the hysterics. The aim is not to send off as many players as you can , the aim is to produce a good game which he helped to do. I'm sorry but that's an absurd idea. The referee is not there to "produce a good game", and there is a big difference between letting the game flow and allowing it to get out of hand. Clattenburg's lack of decisive action early on was part of the reason why the players felt at liberty to engage in the numerous ruckuses later in the game. How Spurs ended with 11 men I don't know. Dier at least should have been gone 100%.
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Post by chrisparker on May 3, 2016 15:36:22 GMT
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that, I'd have one nickel.
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Post by pottersrule on May 3, 2016 16:57:31 GMT
He bottled it letting all those tackles go unpunished and then he lost control realising those same players were now getting yellow cards rather than the reds they should of been getting Could and maybe should have ended up 8 a side.
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Post by wuzza on May 3, 2016 17:11:04 GMT
Did a good job - didn't get caught up in all the hysterics. The aim is not to send off as many players as you can , the aim is to produce a good game which he helped to do. I'm sorry but that's an absurd idea. The referee is not there to "produce a good game", and there is a big difference between letting the game flow and allowing it to get out of hand. Clattenburg's lack of decisive action early on was part of the reason why the players felt at liberty to engage in the numerous ruckuses later in the game. How Spurs ended with 11 men I don't know. Dier at least should have been gone 100%.[/quote) Well substitute the word 'contribute' for 'produce' if that makes it any better. (If that game was a bit rich for your blood I feel sorry for you , football has lost most of its edge, don't wish away the last vestiges of blood and thunder competition).
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Post by wokinghampotter on May 3, 2016 17:18:04 GMT
I have to agree that it is always better to have 11 against 11. However, I was staggered that Walker was on the pitch at half time. How Dyer stayed on the pitch at the end was also a mystery. Also Rose should have gone. I think of consistency and always make comparison what Stoke players see red for!
Clattenberg did stay calm and whilst Terry was as always throwing his weight around, Lloris could do nothing as captain in goal. He needed to get his team mates to refocus once they had conceded the first goal. Clattenberg also walked away from the melee just before half time when Rose and Willian came together. When Dembele had a go at Costa, the latter was grabbing the skin of his back through this shirt. Pochetino tried to get Rose away, whilst Clattenburg just wandered away!
The FA will be busy looking at all the goings on in this game.
If Stoke had been Spurs situation I am sure we would have had at least 3 seen red!
My rant over!
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Post by PotterLog on May 3, 2016 17:51:56 GMT
I'm sorry but that's an absurd idea. The referee is not there to "produce a good game", and there is a big difference between letting the game flow and allowing it to get out of hand. Clattenburg's lack of decisive action early on was part of the reason why the players felt at liberty to engage in the numerous ruckuses later in the game. How Spurs ended with 11 men I don't know. Dier at least should have been gone 100%. Well substitute the word 'contribute' for 'produce' if that makes it any better. (If that game was a bit rich for your blood I feel sorry for you , football has lost most of its edge, don't wish away the last vestiges of blood and thunder competition). Eye-poking, stamping on hands, fannyish rolling around on the floor, incessant pestering of the ref and mass handbags every five minutes? That's not any kind of "blood and thunder competition" I'm familiar with. I'm all for crunching tackles and old-fashioned committed football but last night was more like a bunch of ill-tempered oiks allowed to squabble like schoolchildren by the far-too-soft headmaster.
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Post by wuzza on May 3, 2016 18:05:45 GMT
Well substitute the word 'contribute' for 'produce' if that makes it any better. (If that game was a bit rich for your blood I feel sorry for you , football has lost most of its edge, don't wish away the last vestiges of blood and thunder competition). Eye-poking, stamping on hands, fannyish rolling around on the floor, incessant pestering of the ref and mass handbags every five minutes? That's not any kind of "blood and thunder competition" I'm familiar with. I'm all for crunching tackles and old-fashioned committed football but last night was more like a bunch of ill-tempered oiks allowed to squabble like schoolchildren by the far-too-soft headmaster. Was it a good 'watch' ? - yep. Would it have been improved by sending players off ? - no Did anyone die or get seriously wounded - not as far as I am aware. Too many games games decided artificially these days by ref's being over involved - sendings off like our game against West Brom, penalties like ...well too many to go into. Less penalties, less sendings off = better entertainment and less incentive to dive!!!!
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Post by werrington on May 3, 2016 18:11:24 GMT
Eye-poking, stamping on hands, fannyish rolling around on the floor, incessant pestering of the ref and mass handbags every five minutes? That's not any kind of "blood and thunder competition" I'm familiar with. I'm all for crunching tackles and old-fashioned committed football but last night was more like a bunch of ill-tempered oiks allowed to squabble like schoolchildren by the far-too-soft headmaster. Was it a good 'watch' ? - yep. Would it have been improved by sending players off ? - no Did anyone die or get seriously wounded - not as far as I am aware. Too many games games decided artificially these days by ref's being over involved - sendings off like our game against West Brom, penalties like ...well too many to go into. Less penalties, less sendings off = better entertainment and less incentive to dive!!!! I don't disagree at all with that ....But we had 2 players who went on to serve 3 match bans for incidents not on a par with what went on last night wuzza Like I said last night .....we either want consistency or we don't
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Post by wuzza on May 3, 2016 18:19:04 GMT
Was it a good 'watch' ? - yep. Would it have been improved by sending players off ? - no Did anyone die or get seriously wounded - not as far as I am aware. Too many games games decided artificially these days by ref's being over involved - sendings off like our game against West Brom, penalties like ...well too many to go into. Less penalties, less sendings off = better entertainment and less incentive to dive!!!! I don't disagree at all with that ....But we had 2 players who went on to serve 3 match bans for incidents not on a par with what went on last night wuzza Like I said last night .....we either want consistency or we don't But we won't get anything right if we don't encourage ref's to follow examples such as that shown by Clattenberg last night. Criticise him and all we get is more of the chronic stuff provided by any number of the other clowns that show up on an all too regular basis!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 19:18:40 GMT
If that had have been Stoke instead of Spurs,I wonder how many of our players would have still been on the pitch after 90mins. Chance would be a fine thing. First off Staffs, Stoke would never be in a game that could muster up such intensity as the match produced last night because 1) they don't have the tribal rivalry at the highest level in the game such as a Chelsea V Spurs game, and 2) Stoke will probably, if truthful, never find themselves in the same position as Spurs were last night before the final outcome. Brilliant spectacle to watch. Blood (almost), guts and thunder, and the ref did a great job in contributing to it. I for one thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it!
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Post by no1972 on May 3, 2016 19:27:37 GMT
It was at last two teams showing passion,yes some did go over the top a little but nobody was injured by any of the tackles players sometimes make the challenges worse than they were,football used to be two sets of men playing a physical game where refs let the players sort it out.Today it's played by pansies ,and supporters have gone soft by watching all the computerised games.Proper game reffered by a proper ref.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on May 3, 2016 19:39:59 GMT
Did a good job - didn't get caught up in all the hysterics. The aim is not to send off as many players as you can , the aim is to produce a good game which he helped to do. This - cracking game to watch too! Wonder what our European cousins thought watching this play out??
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