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Post by wuzza on Apr 28, 2016 11:53:50 GMT
Everton are one of the biggest clubs in Britain Support history and tradition and throw in potential and you have a head turner Take away the cash and they are bigger than Manchester city They are a million miles away from what constitutes a genuinely 'big' club such as Utd, LIverpool or Arsenal and have been for a very long time. Their support , actual or latent, is on a level with the likes of Man City, West Ham, Villa etc. Bigger than us obviously but far from being a good enough reason to jump ship for a manager who has everything he could hope for in terms of resources and job security.
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Post by lordb on Apr 28, 2016 11:54:44 GMT
Everton are one of the biggest clubs in Britain Support history and tradition and throw in potential and you have a head turner Take away the cash and they are bigger than Manchester city thats like saying you would be a more prominent porn start than Ron Jeremy if you take away his large penis.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 28, 2016 11:55:40 GMT
I'll state that I think he will stay with us. And even allowing for frustrations and recent arse kickings, I hope he does. I agree I think he will stay. Hopefully he will dismiss the rumours, confirm that he is happy here working with a great chairman and that the recent blip is just that in a very good season for us. In turn his ambition here will continue to attract quality players ( Bartra please) Let's give him our support on Saturday
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Post by werrington on Apr 28, 2016 12:00:05 GMT
Everton are one of the biggest clubs in Britain Support history and tradition and throw in potential and you have a head turner Take away the cash and they are bigger than Manchester city but that cash is a far bigger head turner to a manager (and players) than a history of being good which you have to go back 30 years for wezza. the "second tier" of quality players that we get (arnie, shaq etc. i.e. not Champs league quality yet but far better than your average Prem journeyman) are looking to cubs like ours as a stepping stone. they want to be playing in a decent side where they will get noticed by the bigger clubs and have at least a chance of Europa league (or better in a good year) so they have a shop window. the reality is that a club who are finishing below mid table in successive years and will lose the only quality they currently have isn't going to be a big draw for anyone simply because of their "History" which hasn't been relevant since the 1980s. it's money and prospects nowadays....a proud history (which hasn't seen a trophy for over 20 years) means little in real terms when football is about money and glory nowadays. it's the reason why Leicester will get some decent names in the summer as well, those players won't be there for the long term of because of who the club is. they'll go because it's Champions league football and their face is on the big stage every other week I was just stating a fact mate Anybody who thinks Stoke are as big as Everton needs sectioning
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2016 12:00:15 GMT
i don't think they'll get a bigger name to be honest Rob. this "big" club idea only lasts so long. in real terms they haven't been a "big" club (in terms of challenging for anything on a regular basis) for about 3 decades now. they've had a massive influx of cash for years now due to TV money in the same way all Prem teams have and they've done virtually bugger all with it (even Lukaku was only brought as they had the Fellaini money). i don't see anything to say they'll be stronger next year either...they'll lose their top players in the summer and even with that cash to spend it'll take a lot to convince quality players to join them when they have only average players left and they've done nothing but hover around mid table for the last couple of years. other "big" clubs who have underperformed (like Chelsea) are different in that they've consistently challenged for titles, won titles, had Champions league football for years and will also throw massive amounts of cash around to rebuild and prove to everyone how they intend to be a force again next year. Everton don't have any of that, literally all they have is the romanticised (and by now MASSIVELY out of date) draw of once being a "Big" club. Wolves were once a big club...Blackpool were...Villa were. you only keep that draw for big name, quality players if you keep it up though and you keep those big players at the club. Everton haven't kept it up (or even come close to replicating it) and won't hold onto their big players. i genuinely think it will get worse before it gets better for them. As long as they're in the Premier League and they're not having a Villa-sequel nightmare, they're a big club. By virtually any measure, they're a bigger club than us. Say they do lose their stars (and I think Barkley and maybe even Lukaku might stay another year); they've still got bags of talent in that squad for the right manager to work with. It's also disingenuous to suggest that they only have the 80s stuff going for them. They've been top half regulars for the last 10-15 years or so and finished 4th, 5th and 6th in that time. i just don't hold with all this "Big" club idea though Rob. It's fine if it's still relevant in terms of league position and success but i think that it's largely us as English fans of the English league all our lives looking at tradition as if it's really that important even when it's based on nothing but past history. do you genuinely think that quality european players will be drawn by "Well they were big when i was growing up" or will they look at how they're doing now, have done the last couple of years and the realistic chance of silverware, getting noticed and playing in europe? how many top players can you name that went to a side who finished below mid-table simply because they were traditionally a "Big" club? it just doesn't work like that anymore. it's about the here and now and the player's (and manager's) careers and getting noticed by achieving something of note. we need to be realistic rather than romantic..the big four aren't the same big four that was around when i was growing up, players aren't as loyal to clubs they "love" like they were when i was growing up, players don't care about tradition in the same way they did when i was growing up. it's about the money, the prestige of top class football and playing in europe and nothing else. why do you think even Man Utd. have lost their number 1 targets over the last couple of years to other teams? they're traditionally probably the biggest club out there, doesn't change the fact that players see other sides as being a better option right now (not traditionally or historically but right now) due to success, playing on the biggest stage and silverware though does it?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2016 12:03:04 GMT
but that cash is a far bigger head turner to a manager (and players) than a history of being good which you have to go back 30 years for wezza. the "second tier" of quality players that we get (arnie, shaq etc. i.e. not Champs league quality yet but far better than your average Prem journeyman) are looking to cubs like ours as a stepping stone. they want to be playing in a decent side where they will get noticed by the bigger clubs and have at least a chance of Europa league (or better in a good year) so they have a shop window. the reality is that a club who are finishing below mid table in successive years and will lose the only quality they currently have isn't going to be a big draw for anyone simply because of their "History" which hasn't been relevant since the 1980s. it's money and prospects nowadays....a proud history (which hasn't seen a trophy for over 20 years) means little in real terms when football is about money and glory nowadays. it's the reason why Leicester will get some decent names in the summer as well, those players won't be there for the long term of because of who the club is. they'll go because it's Champions league football and their face is on the big stage every other week I was just stating a fact mate Anybody who thinks Stoke are as big as Everton needs sectioning my point is though that i don't think any top players nowadays care one way or the other who is traditionally bigger than anyone else. they care about success and playing in europe right now and that has nothing to do with who won the most trophies over the last 100 years. it's romanticised, largely english bias (which constantly changes anyway...as i said earlier Wolves and Blackpool were "Big" clubs once) which isn't really relevant in the modern game.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 28, 2016 12:06:17 GMT
As long as they're in the Premier League and they're not having a Villa-sequel nightmare, they're a big club. By virtually any measure, they're a bigger club than us. Say they do lose their stars (and I think Barkley and maybe even Lukaku might stay another year); they've still got bags of talent in that squad for the right manager to work with. It's also disingenuous to suggest that they only have the 80s stuff going for them. They've been top half regulars for the last 10-15 years or so and finished 4th, 5th and 6th in that time. i just don't hold with all this "Big" club idea though Rob. It's fine if it's still relevant in terms of league position and success but i think that it's largely us as English fans of the English league all our lives looking at tradition as if it's really that important even when it's based on nothing but past history. do you genuinely think that quality european players will be drawn by "Well they were big when i was growing up" or will they look at how they're doing now, have done the last couple of years and the realistic chance of silverware, getting noticed and playing in europe? how many top players can you name that went to a side who finished below mid-table simply because they were traditionally a "Big" club? it just doesn't work like that anymore. it's about the here and now and the player's (and manager's) careers and getting noticed by achieving something of note. we need to be realistic rather than romantic..the big four aren't the same big four that was around when i was growing up, players aren't as loyal to clubs they "love" like they were when i was growing up, players don't care about tradition in the same way they did when i was growing up. it's about the money, the prestige of top class football and playing in europe and nothing else. why do you think even Man Utd. have lost their number 1 targets over the last couple of years to other teams? they're traditionally probably the biggest club out there, doesn't change the fact that players see other sides as being a better option right now (not traditionally or historically but right now) due to success, playing on the biggest stage and silverware though does it? First of all Mick, it's based on more than history - there's fanbase to consider, there's the new money to consider, there's where they've been in the recent as well as the distant past. I think Everton are a name that still carries weight, yes. Let's not pretend we're talking about Leeds or Forest here. We're talking about a club with some excellent players that finished fifth two seasons ago. The potential is there. Why do you think some of Leicester's players are being linked with big moves away? Do you see anybody turning down Man Utd or Liverpool or Arsenal for Leicester this summer? I don't. Man Utd have lost out on their top targets because their Chief Executive is a buffoon.
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Post by werrington on Apr 28, 2016 12:09:21 GMT
I was just stating a fact mate Anybody who thinks Stoke are as big as Everton needs sectioning my point is though that i don't think any top players nowadays care one way or the other who is traditionally bigger than anyone else. they care about success and playing in europe right now and that has nothing to do with who won the most trophies over the last 100 years. it's romanticised, largely english bias (which constantly changes anyway...as i said earlier Wolves and Blackpool were "Big" clubs once) which isn't really relevant in the modern game. But a wolves or a Blackpool etc haven't got the potential of an Everton mate
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 28, 2016 12:10:46 GMT
He's got no more chance of doing anything more with Everton over the next two to three years as he has with Stoke.
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Post by werrington on Apr 28, 2016 12:10:55 GMT
i just don't hold with all this "Big" club idea though Rob. It's fine if it's still relevant in terms of league position and success but i think that it's largely us as English fans of the English league all our lives looking at tradition as if it's really that important even when it's based on nothing but past history. do you genuinely think that quality european players will be drawn by "Well they were big when i was growing up" or will they look at how they're doing now, have done the last couple of years and the realistic chance of silverware, getting noticed and playing in europe? how many top players can you name that went to a side who finished below mid-table simply because they were traditionally a "Big" club? it just doesn't work like that anymore. it's about the here and now and the player's (and manager's) careers and getting noticed by achieving something of note. we need to be realistic rather than romantic..the big four aren't the same big four that was around when i was growing up, players aren't as loyal to clubs they "love" like they were when i was growing up, players don't care about tradition in the same way they did when i was growing up. it's about the money, the prestige of top class football and playing in europe and nothing else. why do you think even Man Utd. have lost their number 1 targets over the last couple of years to other teams? they're traditionally probably the biggest club out there, doesn't change the fact that players see other sides as being a better option right now (not traditionally or historically but right now) due to success, playing on the biggest stage and silverware though does it? First of all Mick, it's based on more than history - there's fanbase to consider, there's the new money to consider, there's where they've been in the recent as well as the distant past. I think Everton are a name that still carries weight, yes. Let's not pretend we're talking about Leeds or Forest here. We're talking about a club with some excellent players that finished fifth two seasons ago. The potential is there. Why do you think some of Leicester's players are being linked with big moves away? Do you see anybody turning down Man Utd or Liverpool or Arsenal for Leicester this summer? I don't. Man Utd have lost out on their top targets because their Chief Executive is a buffoon. Leeds are another club with the potential of an Everton mate They really are 2 huge clubs
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 28, 2016 12:12:42 GMT
Only was I see Hughes leaving for Everton is if they can offer him a budget that blows ours out of the water and I don't think that's likely to happen.
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Post by werrington on Apr 28, 2016 12:12:53 GMT
He's got no more chance of doing anything more with Everton over the next two to three years as he has with Stoke. I agree 100% with this mate My argument is who are the bigger club and not who is the best run ....Infact they are years behind us in the regard But they would be a big pull for somebody
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2016 12:16:14 GMT
my point is though that i don't think any top players nowadays care one way or the other who is traditionally bigger than anyone else. they care about success and playing in europe right now and that has nothing to do with who won the most trophies over the last 100 years. it's romanticised, largely english bias (which constantly changes anyway...as i said earlier Wolves and Blackpool were "Big" clubs once) which isn't really relevant in the modern game. But a wolves or a Blackpool etc haven't got the potential of an Everton mate that's precisely my point mate...they WERE big clubs but after years of doing nothing they lost that tag. Everton haven't challenged for anything for 30 years. before Moyes went there they were constant "Dogs of war" relegation battlers. yes, he turned them around but to nothing like the past glories they once had. even when they were finishing in the top 6 they were never challenging for the title. the "Big" club title comes and goes..has with many clubs before and will with many clubs in the future as well. i don't see the potential Everton have to be honest. apart from their big players most of their squad is average, the new invester is there to build a stadium not buy big name players for £30mill and the TV money they have puts them equal with every single other Prem club as we're all getting it.
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Post by werrington on Apr 28, 2016 12:17:39 GMT
But a wolves or a Blackpool etc haven't got the potential of an Everton mate that's precisely my point mate...they WERE big clubs but after years of doing nothing they lost that tag. Everton haven't challenged for anything for 30 years. before Moyes went there they were constant "Dogs of war" relegation battlers. yes, he turned them around but to nothing like the past glories they once had. even when they were finishing in the top 6 they were never challenging for the title. the "Big" club title comes and goes..has with many clubs before and will with many clubs in the future as well. i don't see the potential Everton have to be honest. apart from their big players most of their squad is average, the new invester is there to build a stadium not buy big name players for £30mill and the TV money they have puts them equal with every single other Prem club as we're all getting it. Everton stadium holds them back mate
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 28, 2016 12:19:15 GMT
First of all Mick, it's based on more than history - there's fanbase to consider, there's the new money to consider, there's where they've been in the recent as well as the distant past. I think Everton are a name that still carries weight, yes. Let's not pretend we're talking about Leeds or Forest here. We're talking about a club with some excellent players that finished fifth two seasons ago. The potential is there. Why do you think some of Leicester's players are being linked with big moves away? Do you see anybody turning down Man Utd or Liverpool or Arsenal for Leicester this summer? I don't. Man Utd have lost out on their top targets because their Chief Executive is a buffoon. Leeds are another club with the potential of an Everton mate They really are 2 huge clubs They are mate but realistically nobody's going to turn down even the smallest Prem club to sign for them and won't for a long time yet. Same can't be said for Everton.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 28, 2016 12:20:09 GMT
But a wolves or a Blackpool etc haven't got the potential of an Everton mate that's precisely my point mate...they WERE big clubs but after years of doing nothing they lost that tag. Everton haven't challenged for anything for 30 years. before Moyes went there they were constant "Dogs of war" relegation battlers. yes, he turned them around but to nothing like the past glories they once had. even when they were finishing in the top 6 they were never challenging for the title. the "Big" club title comes and goes..has with many clubs before and will with many clubs in the future as well. i don't see the potential Everton have to be honest. apart from their big players most of their squad is average, the new invester is there to build a stadium not buy big name players for £30mill and the TV money they have puts them equal with every single other Prem club as we're all getting it. I don't think their squad is bang average mate. If you go through it there's loads who'd do us a job comfortably.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 28, 2016 12:26:02 GMT
I hope Mark Hughes and his team don't leave Stoke City.
I can see past the last few games and the squad he is building here is very exciting. With Jack fit again, Glen Johnson fit for the next couple of seasons, a fully fit Ryan,(Please God) that's 3 key players we are currently "missing". (I know Ryan's playing, but you get my point.)
I am confident that next season Shaqiri, Imbula and Bojan will all be better. The potential in this squad is frightening.
But, the pull of Everton as a massive football club with potential is real. Aren't they only one of 2 teams never to have been out of the top flight? (And Arsenal cheated to avoid relegation.) I agree with Mick that the money has leveled things out, but if all other things were equal...
This perception means something. Yarmolenko and Lennon seemed to be happier to play for Everton than Stoke. Despite the "shop widow" argument, I don't think Lukaku would have considered Stoke as a permanent team. Our money would be as good so it must be something intangible.
I don't think MH will go. The new Chairman is a bit of an unknown and after his experience with Fernandes at QPR I think he may think "Once bitten..."
Also, Goodison is virtually falling down. At some point a shed load of money will have to go on a new ground or at worst a huge refurb.
Hughes and Peter Coates is our dream team. Stick with us Mark and let's see how far we can go.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 28, 2016 12:26:38 GMT
He's got no more chance of doing anything more with Everton over the next two to three years as he has with Stoke. I agree 100% with this mate My argument is who are the bigger club and not who is the best run ....Infact they are years behind us in the regard But they would be a big pull for somebody Yeah, it depends on how much status is important to him mate. Everything is much of a muchness in the short term.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2016 12:27:43 GMT
that's precisely my point mate...they WERE big clubs but after years of doing nothing they lost that tag. Everton haven't challenged for anything for 30 years. before Moyes went there they were constant "Dogs of war" relegation battlers. yes, he turned them around but to nothing like the past glories they once had. even when they were finishing in the top 6 they were never challenging for the title. the "Big" club title comes and goes..has with many clubs before and will with many clubs in the future as well. i don't see the potential Everton have to be honest. apart from their big players most of their squad is average, the new invester is there to build a stadium not buy big name players for £30mill and the TV money they have puts them equal with every single other Prem club as we're all getting it. I don't think their squad is bang average mate. If you go through it there's loads who'd do us a job comfortably. not convinced when it comes to the ones they'll hold onto Rob. i see a whole bag of potential but potential that could be the next big thing or equally potential that could end up moving from mid table Prem side to lower table Prem side. i'm not denying for a second that Everton are a "Bigger" club than us. all i'm saying is that what an English fan bases the "Big" clubs on is history, tradition and fanbase and all of that is way, way down the pecking order in what a top player is going to be looking at if they're not currently (and haven't been for a couple of years) in even the top half let alone challenging for even europa league spots at the least. basically, i think we as English fans are putting way too much emphasis on the "Traditionally bigger club" idea than anyone outside of this country will do....i just don't get the idea that we all know and accept that players only care about money and glory yet when it comes to this we're suddenly getting all romantic about history and tradition. football just doesn't work like that nowadays
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Post by dadofsam on Apr 28, 2016 12:34:37 GMT
Isn't Bill Kenwright really ill? I'd imagine he's a big factor in joining Everton as manager.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 28, 2016 12:35:06 GMT
Everton are a far bigger club than us. If we were competing with them for a player who didn't already play for us, I'd expect them to win all day every day if we were essentially offering the same wages. However, having been inside our club, I don't think there would be that much of an attraction for a player or manager to leave Stoke and join Everton. As things stand, we can offer them everything that they can and in reality, probably a bit more besides. That may obviously change with this new input of money they've had. Ryan Shawcross had the chance to leave for Everton and didn't entertain the idea. Unless he was under massive pressure from supporters or chairman, I don't think Mark Hughes would jump ship to Everton were he to be given the chance to do so. EDIT - I haven't read the previous 5 pages to understand if this has actually been mooted elsewhere or if it is stupid messageboard speculation as normal! Like shakiri? We blew them out the water. Even with the small investor who's come on board he couldn't buy coates' garden shed.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 28, 2016 12:35:25 GMT
I don't think their squad is bang average mate. If you go through it there's loads who'd do us a job comfortably. not convinced when it comes to the ones they'll hold onto Rob. i see a whole bag of potential but potential that could be the next big thing or equally potential that could end up moving from mid table Prem side to lower table Prem side. i'm not denying for a second that Everton are a "Bigger" club than us. all i'm saying is that what an English fan bases the "Big" clubs on is history, tradition and fanbase and all of that is way, way down the pecking order in what a top player is going to be looking at if they're not currently (and haven't been for a couple of years) in even the top half let alone challenging for even europa league spots at the least. basically, i think we as English fans are putting way too much emphasis on the "Traditionally bigger club" idea than anyone outside of this country will do....i just don't get the idea that we all know and accept that players only care about money and glory yet when it comes to this we're suddenly getting all romantic about history and tradition. football just doesn't work like that nowadays I think it does play a role with some, doesn't with others. The prestige of signing for a big club with potential is there. There's a range of factors that make them an attractive proposition. Also, even if they do lose all three of Stones, Barkley and Lukaku (which I don't think they will. Stones yes, one or two of the others maybe but not both), they still have players like Coleman, Besic, McCarthy, Mirallas, Lennon, Deulofeu and a lot of promising youth players to build around.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 28, 2016 12:36:39 GMT
Everton are a far bigger club than us. If we were competing with them for a player who didn't already play for us, I'd expect them to win all day every day if we were essentially offering the same wages. However, having been inside our club, I don't think there would be that much of an attraction for a player or manager to leave Stoke and join Everton. As things stand, we can offer them everything that they can and in reality, probably a bit more besides. That may obviously change with this new input of money they've had. Ryan Shawcross had the chance to leave for Everton and didn't entertain the idea. Unless he was under massive pressure from supporters or chairman, I don't think Mark Hughes would jump ship to Everton were he to be given the chance to do so. EDIT - I haven't read the previous 5 pages to understand if this has actually been mooted elsewhere or if it is stupid messageboard speculation as normal! Like shakiri? We blew them out the water. Even with the small investor who's come on board he couldn't buy coates' garden shed. Which is exactly my point. If Stoke and Everton go for a player, like Shaqiri for example, we would have to "blow them out of the water" with the deal. Given a straight choice on the same wages, an outsider would always choose Everton you would think.
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Post by fca47 on Apr 28, 2016 12:37:20 GMT
Everton are going backwards. They are pinning their hopes on this foreign money, but how many successful instances have there been, as many failures as successes. They have a shit old ground that they will have to pay for and a disgruntled support base, that will give Hughes a hard time, because they imagine they are a bigger club than they actually are. Their success is distant history now. If one of the true bigger clubs came in they I have no doubt he would go, but Everton, give me a break.
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Post by ryan4england on Apr 28, 2016 12:41:23 GMT
Strangely not overly bothered and it seems a lot feel the same, there are some intresting names available or about to become
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 28, 2016 12:41:43 GMT
An Everton is a bigger stepping stone for a really big club though. Doing a good job there gets you noticed more than it does here.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 28, 2016 12:41:57 GMT
We took a huge gamble on Hughes when he needed it most....will he take that into consideration or not??? Another thing to take into consideration is the stability under the Coates family!!!
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2016 12:44:13 GMT
not convinced when it comes to the ones they'll hold onto Rob. i see a whole bag of potential but potential that could be the next big thing or equally potential that could end up moving from mid table Prem side to lower table Prem side. i'm not denying for a second that Everton are a "Bigger" club than us. all i'm saying is that what an English fan bases the "Big" clubs on is history, tradition and fanbase and all of that is way, way down the pecking order in what a top player is going to be looking at if they're not currently (and haven't been for a couple of years) in even the top half let alone challenging for even europa league spots at the least. basically, i think we as English fans are putting way too much emphasis on the "Traditionally bigger club" idea than anyone outside of this country will do....i just don't get the idea that we all know and accept that players only care about money and glory yet when it comes to this we're suddenly getting all romantic about history and tradition. football just doesn't work like that nowadays I think it does play a role with some, doesn't with others. The prestige of signing for a big club with potential is there. There's a range of factors that make them an attractive proposition. Also, even if they do lose all three of Stones, Barkley and Lukaku (which I don't think they will. Stones yes, one or two of the others maybe but not both), they still have players like Coleman, Besic, McCarthy, Mirallas, Lennon, Deulofeu and a lot of promising youth players to build around. I'll give you Besic and Deulofeu but Mirallas will be out asap, he's wanted out pretty much since he got there saying he'll stay every year if they can get european football which hasn't happened and they've gone downhill since. Coleman (whislt being damn good) is injured every other week, Lennon is nearly 30 now so i'd imagine even they will be looking at someone younger for long term and McCarthy is bang average this season. Last year he was damn good but not even close to the same this year. Stones and Lukaku are reported targets for Chelsea and will both be off and i can't see Barkley turning down anything if an offer comes in. as my best mate (bluenose unfortunately for him) said, they're not just worried that they can't impress any big new names to come in, they're also worried then can't even impress who they've still got anymore.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2016 12:46:02 GMT
Like shakiri? We blew them out the water. Even with the small investor who's come on board he couldn't buy coates' garden shed. Which is exactly my point. If Stoke and Everton go for a player, like Shaqiri for example, we would have to "blow them out of the water" with the deal. Given a straight choice on the same wages, an outsider would always choose Everton you would think. that's the point about Everton though really isn't it mate? to be "Blown out of the water" by a £12mill bid in this day and age???? hardly a massive transfer fee for a "Big" club in the Prem wanting to prove their potential and make a statement of intent is it?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 28, 2016 12:48:44 GMT
Which is exactly my point. If Stoke and Everton go for a player, like Shaqiri for example, we would have to "blow them out of the water" with the deal. Given a straight choice on the same wages, an outsider would always choose Everton you would think. that's the point about Everton though really isn't it mate? to be "Blown out of the water" by a £12mill bid in this day and age???? hardly a massive transfer fee for a "Big" club in the Prem wanting to prove their potential and make a statement of intent is it? They paid £13m for a striker in January.
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