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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 15:04:12 GMT
Shaq works well with Johnson and Cameron tries to link with him as well, it's the ability to play close one two's that he uses well and pulling defenders in for 1 on 1s , where he is weak is when they double up on him he seems to become disinterested. I'd give him more licence to roam to address that issue even swapping wings with Arni for short periods.
A bloody striker to aim his excellent passes at would be nice too.
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Post by chrisparker on Apr 26, 2016 15:05:38 GMT
I bet you saud the same thing when Arnie first got here. Arnie first season was nowhere near as good as Shaq's first season. Chris, if you think Shaq has been acceptable for the money we paid and the hype that came with him, then you are very easily pleased. Out of interest, I'm still saying the same about Arnie. Plays when he feels like it. Brilliant one game, crap for the next two. Could be a world beater if he wasn't such a sulky moaning git. Of the two, I'd just about keep Arnie but wouldn't be arsed about either not being here, given suitable replacements in the two wing positions. I await your reply with interest, telling me Arnie is best thing since sliced bread and look at the goals he's scored. Just think what he could have done, if he'd played his best in 30 odd games instead of 12 or so. It's all about opinions. I'm sorry but stats don't lie. Arnie has been our best player this season (bar Butland perhaps). He's scored the most goals, has the second highest assists (after Shaqiri that is), has created the second most chances (again after Shaqiri) & he has been a great player overall, the best winger we've had in a long time. If he leaves, it's going to be very very hard to replace him. Plus I love the bloke. He seems like a genuinely nice guy so I obviously don't want him to leave. Shaqiri has been inconsistent but are we going to forget the match he's won us against the teams like Man City, Chelsea (home), Bournemouth (away), Everton (away), Newcastle, Aston Villa etc. He was our best player in all those games. A good pre-season should bring the best out of him. He's already shown us how good he can be but his injuries are painfully frustrating. Every time he gets injured, he has to start all over again & pick up his form. What the hell do you expect of our players? If Shaq & Arnie have been poor, then what do you make of the rest of the squad, pretty shite I imagine.
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Post by chrisparker on Apr 26, 2016 15:07:20 GMT
I think I'm with Matt on this. He needs space to create. He's at his best when he's popping up all over the place (and he started that Leicester game really well). Our system requires some real pace out wide and often looks more balanced when there's a striker like Odem or Walters out there. Shaqiri is more of an orchestrator than an explosive speed merchant. The only trouble is we've got about five players whose best position is the role behind the striker. Exactly , Hughes needs to figure out how to fit affelay, Bojan , imbula .into the team part of the problem we look fragile when he plays them all , shaqiri only compounds the problem . He needs to vastly improve the work ethic amongst our creative players You don't have to fit them all in squad dammit, that's the whole point to have competition for places in the team. The players who play well are the ones who're selected. The rest get dropped to the bench.
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Post by chrisparker on Apr 26, 2016 15:10:03 GMT
Before he signed I was told he's the alpine Messi, a class above and obviously played for Bayern Munich and Inter Milan so potentially world class. I couldn't have been more disappointed, for a big name he's easily been the biggest disappointment as an outfield player this season, 4/10 from me. Yeah, he has only given out the most assists & created the most number of chances in our team. That bastard !!!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 26, 2016 15:10:35 GMT
I think Johnsons injury has affected his effectiveness. Effectively....you could be right!!!
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 26, 2016 15:14:15 GMT
Exactly , Hughes needs to figure out how to fit affelay, Bojan , imbula .into the team part of the problem we look fragile when he plays them all , shaqiri only compounds the problem . He needs to vastly improve the work ethic amongst our creative players You don't have to fit them all in squad dammit, that's the whole point to have competition for places in the team. The players who play well are the ones who're selected. The rest get dropped to the bench. Obviously , this is my point . you need to tell Hughes this
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Post by chrisparker on Apr 26, 2016 15:17:34 GMT
You don't have to fit them all in squad dammit, that's the whole point to have competition for places in the team. The players who play well are the ones who're selected. The rest get dropped to the bench. Obviously , this is my point . you need to tell Hughes this Hughes dropped Bojan for a good 5 games when he wasn't playing well. Affelay took his place. We don't have any other options in the wings which is why Shaq & Arnie play every game (although Walters did take Shaq's place for a while, including cup semifinal).
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Post by wearepremierleague on Apr 26, 2016 15:21:27 GMT
He's 24, our third youngest regular starter? First season in the prem I don't think he's been too bad. Our wingers have struggled all season from Hughes changing the striker week in, week out, how are they ever supposed to gain an understanding of one another?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 26, 2016 15:24:11 GMT
I bet you saud the same thing when Arnie first got here. Arnie first season was nowhere near as good as Shaq's first season. Chris, if you think Shaq has been acceptable for the money we paid and the hype that came with him, then you are very easily pleased. Out of interest, I'm still saying the same about Arnie. Plays when he feels like it. Brilliant one game, crap for the next two. Could be a world beater if he wasn't such a sulky moaning git. Of the two, I'd just about keep Arnie but wouldn't be arsed about either not being here, given suitable replacements in the two wing positions. I await your reply with interest, telling me Arnie is best thing since sliced bread and look at the goals he's scored. Just think what he could have done, if he'd played his best in 30 odd games instead of 12 or so. It's all about opinions. Sorry but this is why Stoke fans piss me off so much. It's almost as if you'd be happy with the likes of Delap and Danny Pugh plodding up and down the wings (loved Delap as CM by the way) 'putting a shift in'. Anybody with an ounce of flare, talent or an 'inflated' transfer fee (£12 Million for Shaqiri is nothing in today's market) is soon subject to a barrage of senseless criticism if they don't perform. If they performed week in, week out they wouldn't be here. All of these players we have signed have the potential to be absolutely brilliant but that needs time and Hughes needs to work out a formation that allows them all to flourish. I've never been comfortable with a 5ft 5" Shaqiri tracking back and doing the defensive side. I can agree in that Shaqiri has been a slight disappointment but it's his first season, he's still young and he's been hit by injuries. When I see stuff like "I'd get rid of him if such and such an offer came in" it just boils my piss. How the hell will we ever build anything if we're getting rid of our talented players because they haven't scored 90 goals in a season and created another 100? We've got Shaqiri, we've got Arnautovic (for now), we've got Bojan and we've now got Imbula. These are the players that you build your teams around, not get rid of at the nearest possible opportunity because they haven't hit the ground running. I could take your point if there hadn't been any signs at all but he's scored some pearlers, set up a decent amount and, up until a few weeks ago, had been part of a side that was on course for a top 9 finish. If we can sign a really good striker (or work out how to implement Joselu and Diouf into our team more), we could be a force next year. I had hoped it would be this season but we've not had an awful lot of luck. Shaqiri could definitely have had more of an impact and I'd probably give him a 6 overall, not bollocks like a 'generous' 4.
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Post by iplayinthehole on Apr 26, 2016 15:36:49 GMT
Yet more utter arse gravy from a section of our 'supporters' who cannot wait him to fail.
He needs a full preseason and to learn the league. There's plenty of promise there at this stage (stats are useful, thanks).
Arnie and Bojan were both written off by these 'fans' and there's plenty of evidence that even the best, big money transfers need time to adjust. See Ozil (useless - could set an assist record), Ronaldo (no end product, all step overs - one of the greatest ever), Suarez (needs a hundred chances in a game - again, one of the best) etc, list goes on and on and on.
When will they learn?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 26, 2016 15:40:13 GMT
A younger version would be ideal by all accounts as you never know how Johnson will com back after his injury and he wasn't the greatest full back, despite being the best we have up until his injury. Who do you reckon we could get? Maybe a lower league talent? I don't follow the lower leagues as closely as I did a couple of years ago, I think if Middlesborough don't get up some how then they have decent young full backs. If Sunderland go down, I'd go for DeAndre Yedlin, on loan from Spurs. He is a rapid right back and has now had time to get used to our league. Walker and Trippier block his way to the Spurs first XI and maybe Geoff can have a word when on US national team duty? As for Shaq, a full pre-season and staying injury free, we could see far more from him next season. No need to panic just yet. Yedlin is a decent shout, probably one of the quickest players in world football.
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Post by LDE76 on Apr 26, 2016 19:32:59 GMT
If Sunderland go down, I'd go for DeAndre Yedlin, on loan from Spurs. He is a rapid right back and has now had time to get used to our league. Walker and Trippier block his way to the Spurs first XI and maybe Geoff can have a word when on US national team duty? As for Shaq, a full pre-season and staying injury free, we could see far more from him next season. No need to panic just yet. Yedlin is a decent shout, probably one of the quickest players in world football. He's pretty rapid, but Sunderland fans seem to think he's poor defensively and plenty of them think they should sign two new fullbacks in the summer. In conclusion, he's probably the new Cafu.
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Post by march4 on Apr 26, 2016 19:53:28 GMT
The mythical pre-season is my big hope for Shaq.
If there is no sign of improvement by mid-August I would sell him while we can still get a couple of £M for him.
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Post by toppercorner on Apr 26, 2016 20:06:08 GMT
i will never understand people who cannot see a bigger picture.
Shaq a failure? never in a million years. He's contributed so much to the team. His delightful performance at Southampton away, goals against everton, setting them up against bournemouth, chelsea etc. I think hes contributed directly to us getting at least another 9 points this season.
he plays well when arnie and bojan are on the pitch (and with johnson behind him) and the opposing teams cannot cope with all 3. When its at most 2 o them, they get marked out of the game because they are recognised to be such a threat.
he looks nothing but comfortable with his team mates on the pitch and fantastic watch when hes taking players on
those who say he should go/take the money, have either never played football, or are just incredibly blinkered and stubborn.
brilliant player, i love having him here.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 26, 2016 20:20:09 GMT
On the whole, I've found Shaqiri to be pretty underwhelming this season. Of course, he does need a proper pre-season with us before I can make any real judgement. I think it might be worth mentioning that against Man City, all of our best moves came from Shaqiri playing a wonderpass from a sort of quarterback position inside our half. He did the same trick against Spurs, but Arnie couldn't quite get to it. He seems to do better there than out wide.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 26, 2016 20:30:28 GMT
Yedlin is a decent shout, probably one of the quickest players in world football. He's pretty rapid, but Sunderland fans seem to think he's poor defensively and plenty of them think they should sign two new fullbacks in the summer. In conclusion, he's probably the new Cafu. Or the new Danny Collins for Brazil he could play
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 20:30:34 GMT
Yeah but thats one way Im talking about of getting the best from him. He is nominally a right-winger BUT he's best when drifting inside. Another option we have simply never tried is having Arnie & Shaq switch wings. Put him on the left for 20 minutes and let him cross with his left foot. I just cant believe we have NEVER tried this during a game. Its so bloody obvious I could shake a big stick This has been tried on more than one occasion and it doesn't work.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 26, 2016 20:32:44 GMT
i will never understand people who cannot see a bigger picture. Shaq a failure? never in a million years. He's contributed so much to the team. His delightful performance at Southampton away, goals against everton, setting them up against bournemouth, chelsea etc. I think hes contributed directly to us getting at least another 9 points this season. he plays well when arnie and bojan are on the pitch (and with johnson behind him) and the opposing teams cannot cope with all 3. When its at most 2 o them, they get marked out of the game because they are recognised to be such a threat. he looks nothing but comfortable with his team mates on the pitch and fantastic watch when hes taking players on those who say he should go/take the money, have either never played football, or are just incredibly blinkered and stubborn. brilliant player, i love having him here. Not a failure by a long chalk, an expensive gamble certainly needs the right type of players around him to bring out the best in him.
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Post by chrisparker on Apr 26, 2016 20:43:17 GMT
i will never understand people who cannot see a bigger picture. Shaq a failure? never in a million years. He's contributed so much to the team. His delightful performance at Southampton away, goals against everton, setting them up against bournemouth, chelsea etc. I think hes contributed directly to us getting at least another 9 points this season. he plays well when arnie and bojan are on the pitch (and with johnson behind him) and the opposing teams cannot cope with all 3. When its at most 2 o them, they get marked out of the game because they are recognised to be such a threat. he looks nothing but comfortable with his team mates on the pitch and fantastic watch when hes taking players on those who say he should go/take the money, have either never played football, or are just incredibly blinkered and stubborn. brilliant player, i love having him here. He's certainly won us more than just 9 points. He has created 48 chances this season, which is the highest in our squad & he also has the most number of assists. On his day, Shaq is fabulous. He has been a bit inconsistent & he does need to sort out his injuries but he has progressed fantastically since he first got here.
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Post by potterspele on Apr 26, 2016 21:01:01 GMT
He's pretty much been the best outlet creatively this season in a team terribly bereft of attacking class.
Arnie will rightly take the plaudits for an eye catching season in terms of output but Shaqiri has been playing the most dangerous balls in most often, there's just painfully few options for him to find when he plays a good pass.
Personally I think the system doesn't allow him to be an effective enough provider but through no fault of his own, there's just not enough bodies for him to find in scoring areas.
I honestly think if we had a striker in the mould of Odemwingie on the left looking for scoring positions coupled with either Diouf or Joselu in the centre we would create a supply line capable of making a lot more scoring chances, sort of the opposite way round from Odemwingie's first season.
If Arnie ends up leaving I really hope Hughes looks for that kind of a signing because having 2 inverted wingers or whatever you call them is all well and good for passing it round the edge of the box but no one ever looks to make goal scoring runs.
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Post by trentvale68 on Apr 26, 2016 21:04:43 GMT
Did we ever come to a conclusion on the Everton lob, if meant or not??
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 27, 2016 5:50:39 GMT
As good as Johnson has been, a younger, rapid RB constantly overlapping would take at least one player out of the game, allowing Shaqiri the space to really work his magic. He's been double marked to fuck this season which is why we need those extra legs to allow him some more time on the ball, and indeed present someone to actually fucking pass to rather than having to go alone. A younger version would be ideal by all accounts as you never know how Johnson will com back after his injury and he wasn't the greatest full back, despite being the best we have up until his injury. Who do you reckon we could get? Maybe a lower league talent? I don't follow the lower leagues as closely as I did a couple of years ago, I think if Middlesborough don't get up some how then they have decent young full backs. Young right back from wolves, can't remember his name. British too
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Post by chuffedstokie on Apr 27, 2016 6:15:21 GMT
i will never understand people who cannot see a bigger picture. Shaq a failure? never in a million years. He's contributed so much to the team. His delightful performance at Southampton away, goals against everton, setting them up against bournemouth, chelsea etc. I think hes contributed directly to us getting at least another 9 points this season. he plays well when arnie and bojan are on the pitch (and with johnson behind him) and the opposing teams cannot cope with all 3. When its at most 2 o them, they get marked out of the game because they are recognised to be such a threat. he looks nothing but comfortable with his team mates on the pitch and fantastic watch when hes taking players on those who say he should go/take the money, have either never played football, or are just incredibly blinkered and stubborn. brilliant player, i love having him here. Ditto to all that. We really need him (and the others) injury free and the set up with Arnie and Bojan works a treat. We just need Man city type performances on regular basis. Stating the bleedin obvious I know but Christ is it effective.
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