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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 23, 2016 19:33:40 GMT
 Stoke City sit 9th in the table, on course for a third consecutive top-half finish, and some people are questioning the manager's future. I find that staggering. Yes, we've been shit for the last three or four games, but let's just have a look at a few facts: - We have suffered horrendous luck with injuries this year- they've pretty much ruined what could have been an amazing season. Shawcross needs a long rest beginning now, but has to struggle though these last few games because we have no-one else fit; Shaqiri has been in and out with niggles for months; we've really missed Johnson; Afellay out for 9 months now- words fucking fail me. - On a similar note, we are now missing our first-choice goalkeeper. Most Prem sides have a similar situation here: it's hard to keep two quality keepers happy so all tend to have one really good first choice and then a slightly dodgy back-up. To lose your keeper is bloody unlucky- which we are. - We've had a really tough run of fixtures: an in-form Liverpool away, the best Spurs side in living memory, a CL-place-chasing Man City away with Aguero in red-hot form? Well, excuse me if I don't pop down to William Hill and stick a £100 treble on... I'm not saying everything's perfect because it clearly isn't. We need to address several issues in the summer: - the situation at CB was a glaring error and we needed to sign someone last August, let alone now. Wollscheid isn't good enough and Ryan isn't the same as he was pre-back trouble. -We're over-reliant on an ageing Glenn Whelan in midfield. -We have no back-up wingers. Arnie or Shaq get injured and it's square pegs in round holes time again. -None of our strikers are good enough. These aren't new problems either. We've known about them for most of the campaign, so to still finish in the top-half (which I think we will do) would be a great achievement considering the issues we've had. I'm as disappointed as anyone about today's game and the recent run of dismal form, but let's just get to the end of the season without any ridiculous hyserics, re-group in the summer and trust Hughes to sign the players we need. His record in the transfer market has been excellent so far and I'd only count Joselu for nearly 6m and Wollscheid for 3m as being mistakes. (Neither are awful for the price- just not what we needed at the time) Even if we lose the next three games it's not the end of the world- we just need to get through to the summer then do some work in the transfer market. Next season I'd like to see Hughes pick a system, stick with it, and try to give a settled side a decent run together. He deserves the opportunity to do that, and there's no reason we should be questioning his position- not at all. We're just having a tough run at present. There's really no need for so many tampons being yanked out. 
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Post by charlesjefferson on Apr 23, 2016 19:34:50 GMT
I didn't get where I am today without correcting people. We're 10th  |
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Post by philm87 on Apr 23, 2016 19:35:43 GMT
Pretty much just posted the exact same thing in Padder's thread. I don't expect much tampon reduction until we beat Sunderland though.
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Post by LDE76 on Apr 23, 2016 19:37:29 GMT
It's worse than that. We've even had people suggesting that Ryan is lazy, doesn't care and should be sold in the summer, and Tazi is back.
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Apr 23, 2016 19:40:41 GMT
think the fact that we lost 3-0 three times in Jan, on the bounce , lost 4-1, 4-0, 4-0 lately and our home form has been dire....all season....why should not fans be a bit concerned?
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 23, 2016 19:42:50 GMT
I think that is way too extreme, the current situation is worrying despite the injuries and Hughes has to be held to account as do the players for the level of performance " I'm sure the minute Coates and Scholes are worried he will get the bullet , but for now a rethink in the summer to a faster style and a bit more fight and pace will get us back on track
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Apr 23, 2016 19:42:55 GMT
bengie bisuitface already has his d..k out and is w...king the gravity crocodile
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 23, 2016 19:43:04 GMT
I didn't get where I am today without correcting people. We're 10th Shit, yeah, you're right- I forgot that Chelsea won. Forget what I said earlier. Fuck off Hughes you useless twat. |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Apr 23, 2016 19:45:29 GMT
Stoke City sit 9th in the table, on course for a third consecutive top-half finish, and some people are questioning the manager's future. I find that staggering. Yes, we've been shit for the last three or four games, but let's just have a look at a few facts: - We have suffered horrendous luck with injuries this year- they've pretty much ruined what could have been an amazing season. Shawcross needs a long rest beginning now, but has to struggle though these last few games because we have no-one else fit; Shaqiri has been in and out with niggles for months; we've really missed Johnson; Afellay out for 9 months now- words fucking fail me. - On a similar note, we are now missing our first-choice goalkeeper. Most Prem sides have a similar situation here: it's hard to keep two quality keepers happy so all tend to have one really good first choice and then a slightly dodgy back-up. To lose your keeper is bloody unlucky- which we are. - We've had a really tough run of fixtures: an in-form Liverpool away, the best Spurs side in living memory, a CL-place-chasing Man City away with Aguero in red-hot form? Well, excuse me if I don't pop down to William Hill and stick a £100 treble on... I'm not saying everything's perfect because it clearly isn't. We need to address several issues in the summer: - the situation at CB was a glaring error and we needed to sign someone last August, let alone now. Wollscheid isn't good enough and Ryan isn't the same as he was pre-back trouble. -We're over-reliant on an ageing Glenn Whelan in midfield. -We have no back-up wingers. Arnie or Shaq get injured and it's square pegs in round holes time again. -None of our strikers are good enough. These aren't new problems either. We've known about them for most of the campaign, so to still finish in the top-half (which I think we will do) would be a great achievement considering the issues we've had. I'm as disappointed as anyone about today's game and the recent run of dismal form, but let's just get to the end of the season without any ridiculous hyserics, re-group in the summer and trust Hughes to sign the players we need. His record in the transfer market has been excellent so far and I'd only count Joselu for nearly 6m and Wollscheid for 3m as being mistakes. (Neither are awful for the price- just not what we needed at the time) Even if we lose the next three games it's not the end of the world- we just need to get through to the summer then do some work in the transfer market. Next season I'd like to see Hughes pick a system, stick with it, and try to give a settled side a decent run together. He deserves the opportunity to do that, and there's no reason we should be questioning his position- not at all. We're just having a tough run at present. There's really no need for so many tampons being yanked out. Managers in this high profile , high pressure Premiership have been sacked for less. You have listed some of the mistakes and errors yourself. This all started to meltdown with his capitulation in the FA Cup. On a par with Tone's Valencia issue in my book. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 23, 2016 19:46:17 GMT
think the fact that we lost 3-0 three times in Jan, on the bounce , lost 4-1, 4-0, 4-0 lately and our home form has been dire....all season....why should not fans be a bit concerned? Because the home form has been balanced out by the ace away form. The recent run of games has been worrying but not surprising given the circumstances. Without wishing to point the finger too much, replace any first choice Prem goalkeeper with Haugaard, and that team is going to struggle. Being concerned is one thing; questioning the position of a manager whose delivered three top-half finishes is fucking lunacy. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 23, 2016 19:47:10 GMT
Stoke City sit 9th in the table, on course for a third consecutive top-half finish, and some people are questioning the manager's future. I find that staggering. Yes, we've been shit for the last three or four games, but let's just have a look at a few facts: - We have suffered horrendous luck with injuries this year- they've pretty much ruined what could have been an amazing season. Shawcross needs a long rest beginning now, but has to struggle though these last few games because we have no-one else fit; Shaqiri has been in and out with niggles for months; we've really missed Johnson; Afellay out for 9 months now- words fucking fail me. - On a similar note, we are now missing our first-choice goalkeeper. Most Prem sides have a similar situation here: it's hard to keep two quality keepers happy so all tend to have one really good first choice and then a slightly dodgy back-up. To lose your keeper is bloody unlucky- which we are. - We've had a really tough run of fixtures: an in-form Liverpool away, the best Spurs side in living memory, a CL-place-chasing Man City away with Aguero in red-hot form? Well, excuse me if I don't pop down to William Hill and stick a £100 treble on... I'm not saying everything's perfect because it clearly isn't. We need to address several issues in the summer: - the situation at CB was a glaring error and we needed to sign someone last August, let alone now. Wollscheid isn't good enough and Ryan isn't the same as he was pre-back trouble. -We're over-reliant on an ageing Glenn Whelan in midfield. -We have no back-up wingers. Arnie or Shaq get injured and it's square pegs in round holes time again. -None of our strikers are good enough. These aren't new problems either. We've known about them for most of the campaign, so to still finish in the top-half (which I think we will do) would be a great achievement considering the issues we've had. I'm as disappointed as anyone about today's game and the recent run of dismal form, but let's just get to the end of the season without any ridiculous hyserics, re-group in the summer and trust Hughes to sign the players we need. His record in the transfer market has been excellent so far and I'd only count Joselu for nearly 6m and Wollscheid for 3m as being mistakes. (Neither are awful for the price- just not what we needed at the time) Even if we lose the next three games it's not the end of the world- we just need to get through to the summer then do some work in the transfer market. Next season I'd like to see Hughes pick a system, stick with it, and try to give a settled side a decent run together. He deserves the opportunity to do that, and there's no reason we should be questioning his position- not at all. We're just having a tough run at present. There's really no need for so many tampons being yanked out. You have listed some of the mistakes and errors yourself. This all started to meltdown with his capitulation in the FA Cup. On a par with Tone's Valencia issue in my book. Only by complete fucking mentalists. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 19:48:30 GMT
All this is wonderful Trousers, but I hear on the grapevine that a certain vixen down Etruria way is dusting off the dildo as we speak.
Axe, axe, axe.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 23, 2016 19:48:55 GMT
Which managers have been sacked for less exactly?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 23, 2016 19:51:42 GMT
The injuries have taken their toll but when we had a net player exodus in January (in the midst of an injury crisis) and we are currently not utilising any loans, it wears a bit bastard thin as an excuse.
It was all arrogant bollocks in the window.
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 23, 2016 19:51:49 GMT
Oh the absolute shit being spouted on here is more embarrassing than the last 3 games. Anyone who says Hughes out, direct or indirectly is bat shit insane.
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Post by StokieNath on Apr 23, 2016 19:51:51 GMT
Opinions Marra, people are allowed to have them...
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Post by LDE76 on Apr 23, 2016 19:51:57 GMT
Which managers have been sacked for less exactly? Don't load the gun, Rob. |
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 23, 2016 19:53:12 GMT
The injuries have taken their toll but when we had a net player exodus in January (in the midst of an injury crisis) and we are currently not utilising any loans, it wears a bit bastard thin as an excuse. It was all arrogant bollocks in the window. Spouting your bile again |
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 23, 2016 19:53:36 GMT
The injuries have taken their toll but when we had a net player exodus in January (in the midst of an injury crisis) and we are currently not utilising any loans, it wears a bit bastard thin as an excuse. It was all arrogant bollocks in the window. The January window is notoriously difficult, I'm not excusing it, but it doesn't help. Injuries have certainly played a part , and some just haven't lived up to expectations. |
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 23, 2016 19:55:51 GMT
Given all that's gone on this season a League Cup semi final and hopefully a 10th place finish isn't all that bad.
Unfortunately for us the league this season has been a lottery ticket and we haven't fully taken advantage. Hughes has enough credit in the bank but he does need to change things.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 20:03:24 GMT
It's worse than that. We've even had people suggesting that Ryan is lazy, doesn't care and should be sold in the summer, and Tazi is back. I didn't suggest Ryan is lazy I stated a fact he clotheslines people , twice in 5 mins and sorry sold? I'd bloody give him away if he keeps doing it because the amount of money that kind of play will cost us is unknown.
Take off your tinted glasses and try watching the match, if a new player had done it YOU would call for him to be dropped.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 23, 2016 20:05:10 GMT
It's worse than that. We've even had people suggesting that Ryan is lazy, doesn't care and should be sold in the summer, and Tazi is back. Tbf it was a lazy piece of defending that lead to him giving a penalty away. The rest is bullshit of course. |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Apr 23, 2016 20:09:21 GMT
Which managers have been sacked for less exactly? Tony Pulis Sam Allardyce Alan Pardew the list is endless |
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Post by werrington on Apr 23, 2016 20:11:28 GMT
Which managers have been sacked for less exactly? Tony Pulis Sam Allardyce Alan Pardew the list is endless Eh ..are you serious ? 3 games, 3 fucking games is nothing like those mentioned above |
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Post by LDE76 on Apr 23, 2016 20:13:04 GMT
It's worse than that. We've even had people suggesting that Ryan is lazy, doesn't care and should be sold in the summer, and Tazi is back. I didn't suggest Ryan is lazy I stated a fact he clotheslines people , twice in 5 mins and sorry sold? I'd bloody give him away if he keeps doing it because the amount of money that kind of play will cost us is unknown.
Take off your tinted glasses and try watching the match, if a new player had done it YOU would call for him to be dropped.
1) There are more people posting on here than just you 2) If a new player had had a bad game I'd give him as much time to get up to speed as a modern day fucking Stoke hero who has been fucking excellent for eight years before having this season ruined by injury, like any sensible supporter. If that's wearing "tinted glasses" then so be it. Christ. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 23, 2016 20:18:08 GMT
Which managers have been sacked for less exactly? Tony Pulis Sam Allardyce Alan Pardew the list is endless Yet you've ended it at three. Please elaborate how any of those managers were sacked for less than Hughes? I assume you mean Pardew's sacking by West Ham? |
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Post by LDE76 on Apr 23, 2016 20:19:19 GMT
It's worse than that. We've even had people suggesting that Ryan is lazy, doesn't care and should be sold in the summer, and Tazi is back. Tbf it was a lazy piece of defending that lead to him giving a penalty away. The rest is bullshit of course. I wouldn't call it lazy, just a desperate attempt to stop the player which he wouldn't have needed to make had he been at his sharpest. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 23, 2016 20:23:47 GMT
Fickle fuckers us Stoke fans , I say off with his head , how dare he beat Liverpool 6-1 , beat Chelsea , the shit , man city to name a few , then win more away than we ever have in the prem , get to a semi final , and finish in the top ten , then lose 4-0 to the semi finalists of the CL ,it's not good enough sparky I say bring back Del Boys Hughes out van on Monday morning ...............
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 23, 2016 20:25:50 GMT
The huge credit Hughes still has in the bank stems from the last two seasons and a couple of glimpses this season, changing to a style so alien to the previous one whilst markedly improving our points tally was an enormous feat.
Let’s not pretend though that this is a three or four game blip. We’ve largely been rancid at home this season, pedestrian and clumsy, we’ve gotten worse and worse at the back, clear problems haven’t been addressed and the manager has been responsible for some frankly bizarre decisions all season long. I’m not one for saying that a lunatic prowling the touchline means you care more but his manner during this absolutely toilet run has been far from inspiring to say the least.
People wanting him gone are absolutely mental but I think for the first time in his Stoke career, he needs to show that this job(a fucking great job under these owners) is something that still turns him on.
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Post by march4 on Apr 23, 2016 20:29:44 GMT
The question I asked was whether LMH would be sacked if we lost the last few games of the season without scoring.
It's a hypothetical discussion for a Saturday night.
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