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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2016 17:47:33 GMT
12.5m for Arnie Here we go again ....we paid £3m on a player who had lost his way and negotiated a £12.5m release clause on him and who has only ONE year remaining on his contract and still it's not good enough Some live in the real world some are ....well you know It isn't enough though Wezza. As per with us it'd be selling our best players on the cheap. And it's not hindsight I was calling for a new contract for him 18 months ago for exactly this reason! That's why I like the Butland deal so much, he'll earn us a fortune. We shouldn't be happy with these measly fees and that's what they are in today's market for our best players. If you're playing the moneyball game and that's what we seemed to be doing you have to do it right. This isn't doing it right. Butland will be.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2016 17:49:42 GMT
12.5m for Arnie Here we go again ....we paid £3m on a player who had lost his way and negotiated a £12.5m release clause on him and who has only ONE year remaining on his contract and still it's not good enough Some live in the real world some are ....well you know And then I bet you'll criticise people who think 8m for a player who's just been relegated and done nothing in the league and is in the same contract situation.
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Post by Pugsley on May 20, 2016 17:51:19 GMT
12.5m for Arnie We give players away, we give players awa-aa-aay We're Stoke City, we give players away
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Post by WhyDelilah on May 20, 2016 17:52:24 GMT
10 million pound profit and great service from a player who scored plenty and created lots.
Sounds like a proper shit deal.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2016 17:54:19 GMT
10 million pound profit and great service from a player who scored plenty and created lots. Sounds like a proper shit deal. It does because it should be more. To sell him for 12.5m is a failure.
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Post by werrington on May 20, 2016 17:55:24 GMT
Here we go again ....we paid £3m on a player who had lost his way and negotiated a £12.5m release clause on him and who has only ONE year remaining on his contract and still it's not good enough Some live in the real world some are ....well you know And then I bet you'll criticise people who think 8m for a player who's just been relegated and done nothing in the league and is in the same contract situation. Completely different scenarios mate Also, Just because a player has played in a relegated team it doesn't mean they are poor ....football is littered with such players
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Post by WhyDelilah on May 20, 2016 17:56:05 GMT
10 million pound profit and great service from a player who scored plenty and created lots. Sounds like a proper shit deal. It does because it should be more. To sell him for 12.5m is a failure. If that release clause wasn't there at all, how much would we get for him with his contract coming to an end? You can't make players sign contracts.
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Post by werrington on May 20, 2016 17:56:48 GMT
Here we go again ....we paid £3m on a player who had lost his way and negotiated a £12.5m release clause on him and who has only ONE year remaining on his contract and still it's not good enough Some live in the real world some are ....well you know It isn't enough though Wezza. As per with us it'd be selling our best players on the cheap. And it's not hindsight I was calling for a new contract for him 18 months ago for exactly this reason! That's why I like the Butland deal so much, he'll earn us a fortune. We shouldn't be happy with these measly fees and that's what they are in today's market for our best players. If you're playing the moneyball game and that's what we seemed to be doing you have to do it right. This isn't doing it right. Butland will be. Butland wanted to sign a contract ....Arnie may or may not but the club can't hold a gun to his head can they
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Post by Pugsley on May 20, 2016 18:00:32 GMT
If I was Peter Coates I'd be handing Scholes he P45 if Arnie goes for that. He must look around and think what the fuck is going on. We've just signed a midfielder for 18.5million yet we might be letting a maverick game changer who's created and scored most of our goals for 12 million?
How much do Palace want for Bolasie?
Negotiate my ring.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2016 18:00:35 GMT
And then I bet you'll criticise people who think 8m for a player who's just been relegated and done nothing in the league and is in the same contract situation. Completely different scenarios mate Also, Just because a player has played in a relegated team it doesn't mean they are poor ....football is littered with such players Haha how? I know but he has been poor. I like Redmond but he's not worth anything close to 8m. Arnie is a proven Premier League player with lots of international experience on the back of a brilliant season. Redmond is a proven Championship player with the potential to be a Premier League player. At the moment he's one of those who for me seem too good for the Championship but just not good enough for the Premier League but that's down to his age. And I have every confidence he will be good enough in 18 months/2years. The two are miles apart at the moment.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2016 18:02:28 GMT
It isn't enough though Wezza. As per with us it'd be selling our best players on the cheap. And it's not hindsight I was calling for a new contract for him 18 months ago for exactly this reason! That's why I like the Butland deal so much, he'll earn us a fortune. We shouldn't be happy with these measly fees and that's what they are in today's market for our best players. If you're playing the moneyball game and that's what we seemed to be doing you have to do it right. This isn't doing it right. Butland will be. Butland wanted to sign a contract ....Arnie may or may not but the club can't hold a gun to his head can they All true but seemingly we started it late again. Presumably because Hughes was unsure on him (he wasn't a guaranteed starter last season). But even then it was short sighted.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2016 18:03:52 GMT
It does because it should be more. To sell him for 12.5m is a failure. If that release clause wasn't there at all, how much would he get for him with his contract coming to an end? You can't make players sign contracts. I was hoping for at least 15m tbh! I expect us to sell for 8-10m. But that's because we're shit.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 18:15:31 GMT
12.5m for Arnie That isn't new news though. Been common knowledge for a couple months
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2016 18:17:42 GMT
12.5m for Arnie That isn't new news though. Been common knowledge for a couple months It's still shit
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Post by werrington on May 20, 2016 18:21:04 GMT
12.5m for Arnie That isn't new news though. Been common knowledge for a couple months Is it ...I wasn't aware that we were going exclusively for British players ? Nor was I aware we were going to seriously attempt to sign the two named players ?, Berahino was a maybe but Redmond had gone quiet
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 20, 2016 18:52:32 GMT
Here we go again ....we paid £3m on a player who had lost his way and negotiated a £12.5m release clause on him and who has only ONE year remaining on his contract and still it's not good enough Some live in the real world some are ....well you know It isn't enough though Wezza. As per with us it'd be selling our best players on the cheap. And it's not hindsight I was calling for a new contract for him 18 months ago for exactly this reason! That's why I like the Butland deal so much, he'll earn us a fortune. We shouldn't be happy with these measly fees and that's what they are in today's market for our best players. If you're playing the moneyball game and that's what we seemed to be doing you have to do it right. This isn't doing it right. Butland will be.
So are you acknowledging that Stoke got this one right then?
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Post by Kjones9 on May 20, 2016 19:19:03 GMT
Fucking hell stoke £12.5 million?!?
I wanted £12.6 million... Wank.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2016 19:21:50 GMT
It isn't enough though Wezza. As per with us it'd be selling our best players on the cheap. And it's not hindsight I was calling for a new contract for him 18 months ago for exactly this reason! That's why I like the Butland deal so much, he'll earn us a fortune. We shouldn't be happy with these measly fees and that's what they are in today's market for our best players. If you're playing the moneyball game and that's what we seemed to be doing you have to do it right. This isn't doing it right. Butland will be.
So are you acknowledging that Stoke got this one right then?
I did when he signed! Indeed my first comment was he's going to make us so rich! The failure to really capitalise on 3 players irks. Southampton are the ones, look at what they manage to get for their players and when they sell them. It's what we have to do. Because what we have done doesn't seem that clever.
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Post by WhyDelilah on May 20, 2016 19:23:12 GMT
If I was Peter Coates I'd be handing Scholes he P45 if Arnie goes for that. He must look around and think what the fuck is going on. We've just signed a midfielder for 18.5million yet we might be letting a maverick game changer who's created and scored most of our goals for 12 million? How much do Palace want for Bolasie? Negotiate my ring. He's got 12 months left on his contract. How much do you think we should be getting fr him?
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Post by werrington on May 20, 2016 19:28:54 GMT
So are you acknowledging that Stoke got this one right then?
I did when he signed! Indeed my first comment was he's going to make us so rich! The failure to really capitalise on 3 players irks. Southampton are the ones, look at what they manage to get for their players and when they sell them. It's what we have to do. Because what we have done doesn't seem that clever. You can't seem to grasp it mate The players Southampton sold were either English, under 25 and who'd come through their youth system Shaw Lallana and Clyne ( as with Berahino it makes a difference to their value ) or were players who were still on long contracts If we sold Butland Shawcross etc tomorrow we would get huge fees It's like banging your head against the wall
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 19:30:38 GMT
That isn't new news though. Been common knowledge for a couple months Is it ...I wasn't aware that we were going exclusively for British players ? Nor was I aware we were going to seriously attempt to sign the two named players ?, Berahino was a maybe but Redmond had gone quiet I meant the Arnie clause, apologies.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2016 19:31:39 GMT
I did when he signed! Indeed my first comment was he's going to make us so rich! The failure to really capitalise on 3 players irks. Southampton are the ones, look at what they manage to get for their players and when they sell them. It's what we have to do. Because what we have done doesn't seem that clever. You can't seem to grasp it mate The players Southampton sold were either English, under 25 and who'd come through their youth system Shaw Lallana and Clyne ( as with Berahino it makes a difference to their value ) or were players who were still on long contracts It's like banging your head against the wall English helps, Bego counts as homegrown so that's being as good as English and we failed to tie him down or sell him when he had more of a contract. Then there's Schneiderlein....... And there will be Wanyama..... Bang away! We always undersell our players and for us to progress that has to change.
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Post by werrington on May 20, 2016 19:34:05 GMT
You can't seem to grasp it mate The players Southampton sold were either English, under 25 and who'd come through their youth system Shaw Lallana and Clyne ( as with Berahino it makes a difference to their value ) or were players who were still on long contracts It's like banging your head against the wall English helps, Bego counts as homegrown so that's being as good as English and we failed to tie him down or sell him when he had more of a contract. Then there's Schneiderlein....... And there will be Wanyama..... Bang away! We always undersell our players and for us to progress that has to change. Schneiderlin didn't have one year left on his contract I'm out its like being a hamster on a wheel
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2016 19:35:54 GMT
English helps, Bego counts as homegrown so that's being as good as English and we failed to tie him down or sell him when he had more of a contract. Then there's Schneiderlein....... And there will be Wanyama..... Bang away! We always undersell our players and for us to progress that has to change. Schneiderlin didn't have one year left on his contract I'm out its like being a hamster on a wheel No shit! It's where the club have to get their shit in order. Sort the contracts out early. Or sell when they have more time left on the contract. It's bad planning.
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Post by werrington on May 20, 2016 19:41:54 GMT
Schneiderlin didn't have one year left on his contract I'm out its like being a hamster on a wheel No shit! It's where the club have to get their shit in order. Sort the contracts out early. Or sell when they have more time left on the contract. It's bad planning. They do try and get the contracts signed early Bojan Butland Shawcross etc etc and they tried to tye Nzonzi Begovic and Arnie down The reason they haven't is because the players were/are seeing what's out there Jeez this is hard work
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 20, 2016 19:44:26 GMT
The problem werrington is your trying to defend the Indefensible . We're we to sell arnie for £10 m the Facts would be in 15 months We will have sold 4 players for £30m one now a Europa cup winner and player of the season , one now a premier league winner. , one our top scorer And the other our first choice keeper .
In the same time we've paid £30m for Imbula and shaq , benteke has been sold for more than our 4 star players combined . And we are allegedly considering spending 28m on two players one if who is a squad player in a relegated team .
Whatever the circumstances we allowed them to arise and it's not great reading .
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2016 19:46:42 GMT
No shit! It's where the club have to get their shit in order. Sort the contracts out early. Or sell when they have more time left on the contract. It's bad planning. They do try and get the contracts signed early Bojan Butland Shawcross etc etc and they tried to tye Nzonzi Begovic and Arnie down The reason they haven't is because the players were/are seeing what's out there Jeez this is hard work Arnie? Hughes said we started this season, it should have been done half way through last season but I don't think Hughes was that big a fan tbh. Wr started too late. Ditto Bego. I don't think there was any hope with Fonz. Hopefully we've learnt. And if we can't get them sign, sell them sooner for more. That's my issue. We leave it late, panic and accept the smaller fees. It will probably happen with Arnie and hopefully he will be the last.
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Post by bmstoke on May 20, 2016 19:52:56 GMT
The problem werrington is your trying to defend the Indefensible . We're we to sell arnie for £10 m the Facts would be in 15 months We will have sold 4 players for £30m one now a Europa cup winner and player of the season , one now a premier league winner. , one our top scorer And the other our first choice keeper . In the same time we've paid £30m for Imbula and shaq , benteke has been sold for more than our 4 star players combined . And we are allegedly considering spending 28m on two players one if who is a squad player in a relegated team . Whatever the circumstances we allowed them to arise and it's not great reading . So, what's your strategy for making players who don't want to sign a contract sign one. Thumbscrews?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2016 20:00:00 GMT
The problem werrington is your trying to defend the Indefensible . We're we to sell arnie for £10 m the Facts would be in 15 months We will have sold 4 players for £30m one now a Europa cup winner and player of the season , one now a premier league winner. , one our top scorer And the other our first choice keeper . In the same time we've paid £30m for Imbula and shaq , benteke has been sold for more than our 4 star players combined . And we are allegedly considering spending 28m on two players one if who is a squad player in a relegated team . Whatever the circumstances we allowed them to arise and it's not great reading . So, what's your strategy for making players who don't want to sign a contract sign one. Thumbscrews? That's not really the issue is it? How many established Premier League clubs sell potentially 3 players, 3 of their best players on the cheap in 2 seasons? I can't think of many! It has to change. If that means selling them early then so be it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 20, 2016 20:02:19 GMT
BM We pay somebody £750,000 per annum to work that one out and deal with it in the way others have
Name me a premier league team that's Lost 4 of its best players For £30m recently that suggests somebody has a clue .
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