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Post by daveinoz on Mar 24, 2016 2:48:17 GMT
Would love to see an official timekeeper at matches where the clock is stopped till the ball is actually in play. This would stop slow goal kicks, throw in's, corners and subs strolling off, as there' would be no point trying to waste time, as the correct time is added on at the end. This way, the fans would actually get 90 minutes football!!
Also, this joke of bringing on subs with a few seconds to go is ridiculous. Should'nt be allowed within say 10 minutes of the end...unless genuine injury!
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Post by madasasnake on Mar 24, 2016 6:42:47 GMT
I understand the frustration but it was a tactic we employed quite successfully at times in our early days in the Premier League.
Also, it you stopped the clock on every occasion that the ball was not in play, the game would't finish until after 6:30pm on a normal Saturday!
They ought to just enforce the rule more strictly and hopefully consistently, although I would have no faith in them doing the latter.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 24, 2016 7:02:45 GMT
Inconsistency once again is the key here. I think it was Newcastle who were wasting time in the 5th min and got away with it almost all game.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 24, 2016 7:36:02 GMT
I understand the frustration but it was a tactic we employed quite successfully at times in our early days in the Premier League. Also, it you stopped the clock on every occasion that the ball was not in play, the game would't finish until after 6:30pm on a normal Saturday! They ought to just enforce the rule more strictly and hopefully consistently, although I would have no faith in them doing the latter. Rugby, where the clock is physically stopped when the ball is not in play, has only 80 minutes of playing time as opposed to the 90 minutes in football. If football opted to have a visible clock which was stopped then it would be up to the authorities to decide how much "in play time" constituted a match. As for stopping the clock for throw ins etc. - you wouldn't have to do that in all cases. If the official in charge of the clock were instructed not to stop the clock until/unless the throw in went beyond, say. 30 seconds, then most throw ins would not involve the clock being stopped. It would only be if the team taking the throw decided to take the piss that the clock would be stopped, meaning that, from that point, no advantage would be gained by delaying things for any longer. Much the same rule could be enforced for goal kicks and corners. For injuries, the clock would always be stopped from the point the medical staff were called onto the pitch. |
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Post by apb1 on Mar 24, 2016 9:53:24 GMT
I think it would just be another thing to distract from the game. The rules are there, refs just need to be more assertive for a month or so, booking people etc, then it will reduce
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Post by donaldingleton on Mar 24, 2016 9:55:13 GMT
In the Rugby 6 Nations, refs have sole control over the timing. They can order the clock to be stopped whenever THEY see the need - subs, TMO, on-field injury treatment etc. Football could do far worse that follow this example for timimg a game so that the paying 'customers' (!) get full value for the money they spent.
Not impossible for this to be trialled, surely?
EDIT Sorry - just seen Lakelands post above. Great minds etc, Lakeland?!
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Post by mozzer68 on Mar 24, 2016 10:01:13 GMT
Newcastle were bad and to a degree you can understand it given their position, they came to try and get a point.
The thing that pisses me off is when the likes of Southampton do it.
Most embarrassing of all............West Brom.
Don't think there have been that many cards handed out for time wasting but it's up to the ref to be stronger, especially when you see how West Brom went about it against 9 men
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Post by apb1 on Mar 24, 2016 10:02:14 GMT
In the Rugby 6 Nations, refs have sole control over the timing. They can order the clock to be stopped whenever THEY see the need - subs, TMO, on-field injury treatment etc. Football could do far worse that follow this example for timimg a game so that the paying 'customers' (!) get full value for the money they spent. Not impossible for this to be trialled, surely? EDIT Sorry - just seen Lakelands post above. Great minds etc, Lakeland?! You'd just get refs stopping it for us but not them, Chelsea surrounding the ref demanding the clock be stopped or not stopped. |
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Post by tqstokie on Mar 24, 2016 10:03:38 GMT
Time wasted should be added on at the end of each half. If they had independent timekeepers it should be relatively simple. Stopping and starting a clock is just another complication.
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Post by rawli on Mar 24, 2016 10:03:38 GMT
We didn't used to moan too much about it.
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Post by samba :) on Mar 24, 2016 12:03:25 GMT
We didn't used to moan too much about it. what you on about  |
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Post by borat on Mar 24, 2016 12:24:57 GMT
We were the worst team ever to do this before under Pulis. Even 5 mins gone, we'd get a throw in anywhere on the field and Wilko would be told take his time, usually what seemed about 45 seconds per throw in. Same with goal kicks too, I read somewhere the ball would only actually be in play about 33 mins per game, mental that.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Mar 24, 2016 12:28:30 GMT
If we did what the OP wanted, matches would go on for 2 hours. It's part of the game and if it becomes obvious that teams are doing it excessively then its up to the team captain to have a word wit the ref and the ref then to have a word or book those involved and add the time to the end of the half. Gouranga.  |
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 24, 2016 12:37:48 GMT
For throw ins, have a ball that becomes electrocuted if it isn't released within eight seconds.
For goal kicks, if the ball isn't back in play after twenty seconds then the opposing team get a penalty.
Free kicks, more than thirty seconds and the offending team lose a player for the next five minutes (sin bin). Opposing team get to decide who goes off, anybody except the keeper.
Corners, same as free kicks.
For all these things a big fuck off clock counts down on the screen so everyone can see it.
There, sorted.
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Post by TinkerT on Mar 24, 2016 12:41:46 GMT
Something has too be done its becoming a joke to be honest. Why don't we ever take ages when were in the lead this season? The only player I've seen try do it is butland against villa. If you can't beat em join em.
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Post by roostershair on Mar 24, 2016 13:46:24 GMT
For throw ins, have a ball that becomes electrocuted if it isn't released within eight seconds. For goal kicks, if the ball isn't back in play after twenty seconds then the opposing team get a penalty. Free kicks, more than thirty seconds and the offending team lose a player for the next five minutes (sin bin). Opposing team get to decide who goes off, anybody except the keeper. Corners, same as free kicks. For all these things a big fuck off clock counts down on the screen so everyone can see it. There, sorted. This could work scfc. Why not have a shark filled trench around the pitch? Add that to your ball that gives out an electrical charge and bingo!! By the way, you forgot to mention the severity of the charge, is it to maim or kill? Thank you |
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Post by salopstick on Mar 24, 2016 13:48:20 GMT
10 seconds for a goal kick once the keeper has the ball
Or a booking
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 24, 2016 16:02:15 GMT
For throw ins, have a ball that becomes electrocuted if it isn't released within eight seconds. For goal kicks, if the ball isn't back in play after twenty seconds then the opposing team get a penalty. Free kicks, more than thirty seconds and the offending team lose a player for the next five minutes (sin bin). Opposing team get to decide who goes off, anybody except the keeper. Corners, same as free kicks. For all these things a big fuck off clock counts down on the screen so everyone can see it. There, sorted. This could work scfc. Why not have a shark filled trench around the pitch? Add that to your ball that gives out an electrical charge and bingo!! By the way, you forgot to mention the severity of the charge, is it to maim or kill? Thank you The shark point is interesting, but you would need to highly train them to recognise, and punish, time wasters. Wouldn't want them chomping on Shaq's thigh if he accidentally got knocked into the trench. Regarding the charge, it's main aim would be to temporarily paralyse the time waster, effectively taking them out of the game. A little burn to put them off doing it again also wouldn't be a bad thing. |
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Post by tqstokie on Mar 24, 2016 16:23:45 GMT
All you need is an independent observer to advise the referee how much time has been wasted and it is added together with any other stoppage time at the end of each half. No one would ever need to be booked and it would become pointless to waste time.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 24, 2016 17:00:06 GMT
Would love to see an official timekeeper at matches where the clock is stopped till the ball is actually in play. This would stop slow goal kicks, throw in's, corners and subs strolling off, as there' would be no point trying to waste time, as the correct time is added on at the end. This way, the fans would actually get 90 minutes football!! Also, this joke of bringing on subs with a few seconds to go is ridiculous. Should'nt be allowed within say 10 minutes of the end...unless genuine injury! Never understood the logic of bringing on a very late sub when you are winning by an odd goal or hanging on for a draw. The sub means at least an extra 30 seconds added on giving an opportunity for a goal against you. I understand that it can also break up play but it's high risk stuff IMO. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 24, 2016 18:27:51 GMT
Teams who are losing could do with a Fergie watch.  |
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Post by stokecity4eva on Mar 24, 2016 18:34:49 GMT
Whatever happened to the 6 second rule for keepers with the ball in their hands?
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Post by roostershair on Mar 24, 2016 18:36:56 GMT
This could work scfc. Why not have a shark filled trench around the pitch? Add that to your ball that gives out an electrical charge and bingo!! By the way, you forgot to mention the severity of the charge, is it to maim or kill? Thank you The shark point is interesting, but you would need to highly train them to recognise, and punish, time wasters. Wouldn't want them chomping on Shaq's thigh if he accidentally got knocked into the trench. Regarding the charge, it's main aim would be to temporarily paralyse the time waster, effectively taking them out of the game. A little burn to put them off doing it again also wouldn't be a bad thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 18:47:47 GMT
What really fucks me off is when a team scores and they all head for the corner and take 60 seconds to celebrate, I'd love to see a ref blow his whistle and let the opposition team kick off as it's just getting ridiculous. When Palace scored earlier on in the season I could have gone down to the concourse, ordered a beer, drank it, gone for a piss and still come back up in time to see us kick off......
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Post by primmerz on Mar 24, 2016 20:59:51 GMT
Its becoming frustrating how long a keeper can hold the ball for and they will always get away with it, I guess the 6 second rule disappeared a long time ago.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 24, 2016 21:03:13 GMT
What really fucks me off is when a team scores and they all head for the corner and take 60 seconds to celebrate, I'd love to see a ref blow his whistle and let the opposition team kick off as it's just getting ridiculous. When Palace scored earlier on in the season I could have gone down to the concourse, ordered a beer, drank it, gone for a piss and still come back up in time to see us kick off...... So it does have some advantages then... |
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Post by TheBra1n on Mar 25, 2016 9:12:34 GMT
i study was done across the major European leagues in 2011 and was then updated by fifa in 2014 and concluded that the average a ball was in play during 90 minutes was actually 57.6 minutes so by that logic the game would have to last around 2 and a quarter hours to get the full 90 and im not sure thats going to catch on
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Post by Theninjabadger on Mar 25, 2016 9:18:59 GMT
It's all about that magic word again consistency. Think I was last season the Burnley took Royal piss every time he had the ball and took 80odd minutes to get booked. Begovic did the same thing and booked after 20odd minutes against Spurs away.
One warning and then the yellow card comes out would make everyone hurry up
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Post by cheadlepotter on Mar 25, 2016 9:41:57 GMT
Newcastle were bad and to a degree you can understand it given their position, they came to try and get a point. The thing that pisses me off is when the likes of Southampton do it. Most embarrassing of all............West Brom. Don't think there have been that many cards handed out for time wasting but it's up to the ref to be stronger, especially when you see how West Brom went about it against 9 men What annoys me about games like the Newcastle one is that they spend all game time wasting to then let a goal in and then need all that time back to get a goal back and they get it in injury time. I wish the referee could be able to recognise that and at 90 minutes say balls to you and blow for full time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 15:56:56 GMT
Whatever happened to the 6 second rule for keepers with the ball in their hands? Technically it still applies but the referees are allowed wiggle room if the Goalie is attempting to get rid. |
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