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Post by mumf on Mar 18, 2016 0:32:21 GMT
Needs to go in my honest opinion . I might have been unlucky but I have never met him or come under his spell , although I did meet Santa 'Up Anley Duck ' and came under his spell at the tender age of six .
Easy to say if you're an atheist I hear your say , but I wasn't . I spent my formative years going to Methodist Sunday school as almost every kid did in my village .
I'm not denying any family or childs right to worship his own faith , but I think the time spent on this subject would be better spent educating our children rather than guessing who is right or wrong .
I've heard that kids these days are taught about other religions and not just the Christian faith ....but so what ?
In an era where time in school is so fraught with difficulties and challenges and time is so precious , shouldn't we as a society be teaching our kids more useful social skills ?
Shouldn't we be teaching them more about natural evolution . Shouldn't we be teaching them more about social skills and science subjects . . .?
How about teaching them personal money management and financial regulations instead . . .?
What would serve you better in life ....a GCSE in God or the Quran ....or how to budget your finances better ?
Lets not just stop there though ....Are there other subjects that we should consider ?
I think we need to take a long hard look at our current education curriculum so that the pressures imposed on us by central government in terms of teachers man hours worked is maximised to the mutual benefit of all our kids regardless .
i think religion should stay bottled and freedom to learn about other more important subjects explored .
My last question and poser is simply this ....Where are we going wrong and what needs to change ?
Why is it with all the technology at our fingertips we as a society are still struggling to compete academically with much poorer countries across the globe ?
Are Academy schools and longer school days the answer ? What is the importance of religion in modern day society ?
Does it it not further alienate certain religious groups and make integration that bit more difficult ?
We already know and can prove that most of the religious teachings are so antiquated and obtruse that their credibility is less than appealing for most kids out there .
I have nothing against kids following the gospel of their chosen faith....but let's appreciate all of this in our time and not schools time .
I find that our 'nanny state ' is both frustrating and unbalanced . Learning about religious practises is all well and good but we still seem to be still floundering in basic educational fundamentals .
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 18, 2016 4:36:31 GMT
Parenting classes should be on the agenda for. All children . It would be useful in trying to break the cycle of unplanned pregnancy that affects some families from one generation to the next
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Post by Northy on Mar 18, 2016 6:20:30 GMT
I've come to the conclusion that all religion should be banned
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Post by Waggy on Mar 18, 2016 6:21:32 GMT
Along with religious schools- go. Education should not be dictated by religion especially from stories thousands of years ago. Along with academies where its business over education . Go
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 18, 2016 8:21:32 GMT
Along with religious schools- go. Education should not be dictated by religion especially from stories thousands of years ago. Along with academies where its business over education . Go Narcissus & Oedipus are tales of millennia, but they are still relevant. |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 18, 2016 8:45:02 GMT
I think there's definitely some level of teaching that needs to take place in schools, because there can be a lot of misconceptions when it comes to religion and the practices involved.
Religion still plays a massive role in society, to rule out teaching on it altogether would be very counter productive. We've got a far better chance of co-existing peacefully alongside each other if people have open minds and a good understanding of other peoples cultures and beliefs rather than being ignorant, mistrusting and fearful.
I think it's a decent point raised about teaching money management etc though. |
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Post by sorethumbs on Mar 18, 2016 8:53:14 GMT
I think there's definitely some level of teaching that needs to take place in schools, because there can be a lot of misconceptions when it comes to religion and the practices involved.
Religion still plays a massive role in society, to rule out teaching on it altogether would be very counter productive. We've got a far better chance of co-existing peacefully alongside each other if people have open minds and a good understanding of other peoples cultures and beliefs rather than being ignorant, mistrusting and fearful.
I think it's a decent point raised about teaching money management etc though. So what are your thoughts on faith schools then? Sent from my GoTab_GT9X using proboards |
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Post by mumf on Mar 18, 2016 9:01:27 GMT
I would also ban all religious type clothing and headwear .
Kids are there to learn ....and not to obey in blind allegience .
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Post by mumf on Mar 18, 2016 9:09:31 GMT
I think there's definitely some level of teaching that needs to take place in schools, because there can be a lot of misconceptions when it comes to religion and the practices involved.
Religion still plays a massive role in society, to rule out teaching on it altogether would be very counter productive. We've got a far better chance of co-existing peacefully alongside each other if people have open minds and a good understanding of other peoples cultures and beliefs rather than being ignorant, mistrusting and fearful.
I think it's a decent point raised about teaching money management etc though. The misconceptions with religion is that it's myths and legends are true and real , when Infact they aren't . I think ignorant , mistrusting and fearful is a good way of describing deeply religious types . Afterall , it's the fear that a lot of religion is based on . If certain religions were as kind and understanding towards their animals , then they might have a point , but sadly it is in my experience that they're not .....we are talking the Middle East and Africa here so draw your own conclusions ... |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 18, 2016 9:14:55 GMT
I think there's definitely some level of teaching that needs to take place in schools, because there can be a lot of misconceptions when it comes to religion and the practices involved.
Religion still plays a massive role in society, to rule out teaching on it altogether would be very counter productive. We've got a far better chance of co-existing peacefully alongside each other if people have open minds and a good understanding of other peoples cultures and beliefs rather than being ignorant, mistrusting and fearful.
I think it's a decent point raised about teaching money management etc though. So what are your thoughts on faith schools then? Sent from my GoTab_GT9X using proboards Faith schools can go. |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 18, 2016 9:27:23 GMT
I think there's definitely some level of teaching that needs to take place in schools, because there can be a lot of misconceptions when it comes to religion and the practices involved.
Religion still plays a massive role in society, to rule out teaching on it altogether would be very counter productive. We've got a far better chance of co-existing peacefully alongside each other if people have open minds and a good understanding of other peoples cultures and beliefs rather than being ignorant, mistrusting and fearful.
I think it's a decent point raised about teaching money management etc though. The misconceptions with religion is that it's myths and legends are true and real , when Infact they aren't . I think ignorant , mistrusting and fearful is a good way of describing deeply religious types . Afterall , it's the fear that a lot of religion is based on . If certain religions were as kind and understanding towards their animals , then they might have a point , but sadly it is in my experience that they're not .....we are talking the Middle East and Africa here so draw your own conclusions ... I get your point but I don't think it's a reason to not teach kids about religion. Teaching kids about different types of religion may expand the minds and understanding of those who already belong to a religion, they may decide they'd prefer to believe in a different religion or they may decide that they don't want to believe in religion altogether. At least they'll have been taught that there are other ways of thinking and different options available to them. Just out of curiosity regarding being kind and understanding towards animals what's your opinion on horse racing? |
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Post by mumf on Mar 18, 2016 11:10:37 GMT
My opinion on horse racing is no different to any ' sport ' or pastime that involves animals . The same could be said about Greyhound racing too .
Horses love to run as do greyhounds but when they are raced for human profit or gain other more sinister motives come into play and not always are the animals best interests served . It's simply a vehicle to pursue a human frailty known as gambling .
Crufts is another area of concern for me and I go each and every year . The way certain breeds have 'developed' over the years is not good for them or their offspring.
I know it's not perhaps the answer you may have been expecting , but it's the truth . It all pales into insignificance however when one sees the atrocities committed abroad . I suppose one could argue that if humans are prepared to kill fellow humans in such a ruthless and barbaric way (such as Syria ) then what chance have any animals got ?
Which brings me back to the original point ....religion is a series of myths and legends devised by humans many centuries ago . People who follow such beliefs do so out of fear or personal gratification .
If one is insistent on allowing them to learn about religion ...then give them a short video on the subject to take home and watch for half an hour .
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Post by Moosehead on Mar 18, 2016 11:53:29 GMT
My opinion on horse racing is no different to any ' sport ' or pastime that involves animals . The same could be said about Greyhound racing too . Horses love to run as do greyhounds but when they are raced for human profit or gain other more sinister motives come into play and not always are the animals best interests served . It's simply a vehicle to pursue a human frailty known as gambling . Crufts is another area of concern for me and I go each and every year . The way certain breeds have 'developed' over the years is not good for them or their offspring. I know it's not perhaps the answer you may have been expecting , but it's the truth . It all pales into insignificance however when one sees the atrocities committed abroad . I suppose one could argue that if humans are prepared to kill fellow humans in such a ruthless and barbaric way (such as Syria ) then what chance have any animals got ? Which brings me back to the original point ....religion is a series of myths and legends devised by humans many centuries ago . People who follow such beliefs do so out of fear or personal gratification . If one is insistent on allowing them to learn about religion ...then give them a short video on the subject to take home and watch for half an hour . Surely that is one of the reasons religious eduction should be in schools though? Not necessarily to say 'this religion is great', but to discuss the treatment of animals among other things. That way you have an informed opinion on whether to eat Kosher/Halal. I'm not sure how it sits in the curriculum now, but in the 90s I had 1 hour of RE a week in years 7-11. It wasn't my favourite lesson by any stretch, but it has value to remain there. There are lots of influences from all religions on modern life which are still relevant - law, finance, culture, family. |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 18, 2016 11:55:38 GMT
My opinion on horse racing is no different to any ' sport ' or pastime that involves animals . The same could be said about Greyhound racing too . Horses love to run as do greyhounds but when they are raced for human profit or gain other more sinister motives come into play and not always are the animals best interests served . It's simply a vehicle to pursue a human frailty known as gambling . Crufts is another area of concern for me and I go each and every year . The way certain breeds have 'developed' over the years is not good for them or their offspring. I know it's not perhaps the answer you may have been expecting , but it's the truth . It all pales into insignificance however when one sees the atrocities committed abroad . I suppose one could argue that if humans are prepared to kill fellow humans in such a ruthless and barbaric way (such as Syria ) then what chance have any animals got ? Which brings me back to the original point ....religion is a series of myths and legends devised by humans many centuries ago . People who follow such beliefs do so out of fear or personal gratification . If one is insistent on allowing them to learn about religion ...then give them a short video on the subject to take home and watch for half an hour . It was the answer I was expecting, I agree with you when it comes to the treatment of animals. I don't think a short video would provide the depth required when discussing and learning about different religions though. |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 18, 2016 12:03:52 GMT
I'm with Mumf on this, we should do always with forced religious dogma, and replace it with lessons about racial & cultural understanding as well as building acceptance of non traditional sexual preferences. It's not often we're on the same page.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 12:18:11 GMT
What I don't quite 'get' are those Schools whose message is around religion underpinning their whole ethos - and then take in a significant minority of students that have a totally different belief system to the schools' own.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 18, 2016 12:19:52 GMT
What I don't quite 'get' are those Schools whose message is around religion underpinning their whole ethos - and then take in a significant minority of students that have a totally different belief system to the schools' own. What, a contradiction in religious thought and behaviour? Who'd have thought it...? |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 18, 2016 12:23:59 GMT
Teach the history of religion - why it was so successful and why, as science progresses, it is slowly being proved to be a fairytale.
Religious practises, figures and stories can be taught outside of school, if the parents see fit.
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Post by starkiller on Mar 18, 2016 16:09:15 GMT
Religion should still be taught but the 'religion is great' approach needs to stop.
It shouldn't be put on some kind of undeserved pedestal and if people want to argue it's a crock of shite, as long as they back up their point, they should be able to.
Unfortunately, it is taught from a 'we can't offend anyone' perspective, rather than a study of why we have ended up with religion.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 18, 2016 17:00:23 GMT
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Post by Northy on Mar 18, 2016 21:30:09 GMT
I would also ban all religious type clothing and headwear . Kids are there to learn ....and not to obey in blind allegience . I quite like those little round hats that cover the bald patches, you can have fancy sequins on them |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 18, 2016 21:55:34 GMT
I would also ban all religious type clothing and headwear . Kids are there to learn ....and not to obey in blind allegience . I quite like those little round hats that cover the bald patches, you can have fancy sequins on them Have you got a Shearer Island Northwich!?! |
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Post by samba :) on Mar 18, 2016 23:33:12 GMT
Along with religious schools- go. Education should not be dictated by religion especially from stories thousands of years ago. Along with academies where its business over education . Go Narcissus & Oedipus are tales of millennia, but they are still relevant. pardon? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 23:49:23 GMT
Narcissus & Oedipus are tales of millennia, but they are still relevant. pardon? Psychological mythology Will ...  |
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Post by mumf on Mar 18, 2016 23:49:55 GMT
I would also ban all religious type clothing and headwear . Kids are there to learn ....and not to obey in blind allegience . I quite like those little round hats that cover the bald patches, you can have fancy sequins on them Ive got a couple ...you can borrow one if you like ? I use them as toilet roll holders by the bog. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 23:52:56 GMT
I quite like those little round hats that cover the bald patches, you can have fancy sequins on them Ive got a couple ...you can borrow one if you like ? I use them as toilet roll holders by the bog. I hope they are kosher ? |
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Post by mumf on Mar 18, 2016 23:55:22 GMT
Ive got a couple ...you can borrow one if you like ? I use them as toilet roll holders by the bog. I hope they are kosher ? Yes ......bought in Luxor .....and the bog rolls are by Izal .....the cheap shiny paper that glides over effortlessly ... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 23:58:22 GMT
Yes ......bought in Luxor .....and the bog rolls are by Izal .....the cheap shiny paper that glides over effortlessly ... And still non absorbent I take it ? .......school bogs were always Izal bogs ! |
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Post by mumf on Mar 19, 2016 0:01:00 GMT
Yes ......bought in Luxor .....and the bog rolls are by Izal .....the cheap shiny paper that glides over effortlessly ... And still non absorbent I take it ? .......school bogs were always Izal bogs ! Yes....although my school always seemed to have a shortage of them .... Some fucker kept stealing them ....  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 0:03:57 GMT
Perhaps those of you who believe in nothing should elect Stephen Hawkins as your god.
The man speaks and his word is law.
Perhaps religion is the thing that covers all things unknown and beyond our comprehension and if it helps to comfort people in their times of need perhaps it's not such a bad thing after all.
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