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Post by upthefud on Mar 21, 2016 20:05:05 GMT
Anyhoooo... Are we having a whip round for tone? I've got 100,000 Vietnamese Dong he can have, bastard banks won't take em back Get yourself to the Post Office, 3 quid goes a long way.
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Post by greyman on Mar 21, 2016 21:39:33 GMT
I think we've reached the point where you agree with the owners of the club that if you're forking out tens or even hundreds of millions of increased transfer fees and wages, there should be some signs of progress and development. That should wrap it up. Yeah from 12th in the Championship with gates of 14,000 to mid table in the Premier League with the highest average gate for decades represented no progress whatsoever. More journalistic license? Not at all. We're talking about the final two years and your support for Tony Scholes and the owners and board in their decision to sack Pulis based on his failure to progress with more resources available to him.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 21, 2016 22:26:29 GMT
Yeah from 12th in the Championship with gates of 14,000 to mid table in the Premier League with the highest average gate for decades represented no progress whatsoever. More journalistic license? Not at all. We're talking about the final two years and your support for Tony Scholes and the owners and board in their decision to sack Pulis based on his failure to progress with more resources available to him. Sheiky - You clearly need to familiarise Greyman with the "truth" about the betrayal of the suits where Scholes and Cartwright stabbed Tone in the back thus preventing delivery of the world of football changing dossier that would have delivered progress beyond imagination.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 21, 2016 22:54:12 GMT
Not at all. We're talking about the final two years and your support for Tony Scholes and the owners and board in their decision to sack Pulis based on his failure to progress with more resources available to him. Sheiky - You clearly need to familiarise Greyman with the "truth" about the betrayal of the suits where Scholes and Cartwright stabbed Tone in the back thus preventing delivery of the world of football changing dossier that would have delivered progress beyond imagination. My posting record on this is pretty clear. It wasn't a sacking offence but it was the right decision. It has worked out fantastically. Pulis did a superb job and is a Stoke legend. Hughes is doing a fantastic job and will be a Stoke legend. Come and join me and state the same undoubted truth. You'll feel released and won’t have that heavy cloud of bias hanging over your head any longer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 23:04:37 GMT
It says something about his - and all Premier League managers - salaries that he can be ordered to pay a sum of money this size and it not break him financially. Frigging hell, how much are managers on nowadays... Tone is a highly remunerated version of one of those 'super-heads' that get brought in to rescue failing schools isn't he?! Nice analogy Gods!
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Post by Gods on Mar 21, 2016 23:27:21 GMT
Tone is a highly remunerated version of one of those 'super-heads' that get brought in to rescue failing schools isn't he?! Nice analogy Gods! Thank you, I was quite pleased with it myself!
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Post by greyman on Mar 22, 2016 4:49:42 GMT
Sheiky - You clearly need to familiarise Greyman with the "truth" about the betrayal of the suits where Scholes and Cartwright stabbed Tone in the back thus preventing delivery of the world of football changing dossier that would have delivered progress beyond imagination. My posting record on this is pretty clear. It wasn't a sacking offence but it was the right decision. It has worked out fantastically. Pulis did a superb job and is a Stoke legend. Hughes is doing a fantastic job and will be a Stoke legend. Come and join me and state the same undoubted truth. You'll feel released and won’t have that heavy cloud of bias hanging over your head any longer. I agree with you that Pulis did a good job for us. All that we disagree about is the demonstrable fact that he is only interested in Tony Pulis who only does a good job for clubs when their interests are in the interest of Tony Pulis. He proved that here and at Portsmouth, Gillingham, Bristol City and Crystal Palace. He'll be proving it at West Brom some time in the near future.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 22, 2016 6:15:20 GMT
My posting record on this is pretty clear. It wasn't a sacking offence but it was the right decision. It has worked out fantastically. Pulis did a superb job and is a Stoke legend. Hughes is doing a fantastic job and will be a Stoke legend. Come and join me and state the same undoubted truth. You'll feel released and won’t have that heavy cloud of bias hanging over your head any longer. I agree with you that Pulis did a good job for us. All that we disagree about is the demonstrable fact that he is only interested in Tony Pulis who only does a good job for clubs when their interests are in the interest of Tony Pulis. He proved that here and at Portsmouth, Gillingham, Bristol City and Crystal Palace. He'll be proving it at West Brom some time in the near future. Like Mark Hughes at Fulham for instance?
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Post by colinroberts1 on Mar 22, 2016 7:03:20 GMT
Serious question do you forfeit bonuses when you resign ?
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Post by greyman on Mar 22, 2016 7:52:34 GMT
I agree with you that Pulis did a good job for us. All that we disagree about is the demonstrable fact that he is only interested in Tony Pulis who only does a good job for clubs when their interests are in the interest of Tony Pulis. He proved that here and at Portsmouth, Gillingham, Bristol City and Crystal Palace. He'll be proving it at West Brom some time in the near future. Like Mark Hughes at Fulham for instance? I don't know. Did he blackmail the club or defraud them out of money? Can you post a link to prove he did those things?
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Post by Gods on Mar 22, 2016 8:29:46 GMT
Serious question do you forfeit bonuses when you resign ? It depends on the contract you have. The suggestion here is that Mr. Pulis contract did have such a clause. I suspect the point on which this case turned was whether or not Pulis truly resigned or whether his resignation was in reality in fact part of an agreed departure by mutual consent. It seems the court determined it was the former. I still think this may have some way to run.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 22, 2016 8:31:42 GMT
Like Mark Hughes at Fulham for instance? I don't know. Did he blackmail the club or defraud them out of money? Can you post a link to prove he did those things? Were the Police involved in these serious crimes? Can you send me the links of what he did at Stoke which of course should be your main concern. I can remmeber him being sacked by the incompetent and idiotic Icelanders. Other than that it seems that personal hatred and bigotry is all that's left.
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 22, 2016 8:35:09 GMT
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 22, 2016 8:38:02 GMT
I don't know. Did he blackmail the club or defraud them out of money? Can you post a link to prove he did those things? Were the Police involved in these serious crimes? Can you send me the links of what he did at Stoke which of course should be your main concern. I can remmeber him being sacked by the incompetent and idiotic Icelanders. Other than that it seems that personal hatred and bigotry is all that's left. Is Toxic the only manager in English football history to be sacked three times for the same thing, neither time related to results? He's a sound bloke.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 22, 2016 8:40:43 GMT
Were the Police involved in these serious crimes? Can you send me the links of what he did at Stoke which of course should be your main concern. I can remmeber him being sacked by the incompetent and idiotic Icelanders. Other than that it seems that personal hatred and bigotry is all that's left. Is Toxic the only manager in English football history to be sacked three times for the same thing, neither time related to results? He's a sound bloke. You'll have to list them for me Pugs. As I said I care little what he did at other clubs, what he did for us was fucking superb wasn't it? Fucking brilliant wasn't it? Unforgettable days and atmosphere.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 22, 2016 9:00:02 GMT
Is Toxic the only manager in English football history to be sacked three times for the same thing, neither time related to results? He's a sound bloke. You'll have to list them for me Pugs. As I said I care little what he did at other clubs, what he did for us was fucking superb wasn't it? Fucking brilliant wasn't it? Unforgettable days and atmosphere. Unforgettable days like Boxing Day at home to Preston will live long in the memory..... the binary season was really special... Seriously, results wise, Toxic did a superb job and is a Stoke legend. I just can't stand the fucker.
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Post by greyman on Mar 22, 2016 9:35:21 GMT
I don't know. Did he blackmail the club or defraud them out of money? Can you post a link to prove he did those things? Were the Police involved in these serious crimes? Can you send me the links of what he did at Stoke which of course should be your main concern. I can remmeber him being sacked by the incompetent and idiotic Icelanders. Other than that it seems that personal hatred and bigotry is all that's left. No but both issues were raised and settled in court as civil matters. I don't know where you get hatred and bigotry from. The bloke did a good job but is obviously only interested in Tony Pulis and will do much pretty much anything to look after number one. When that coincides with what's good for his employers then all is fine. And when it doesn't, it's not. I'm grateful for the job he did, and grateful he's now gone. Still waiting for you to link to Mark Hughes' comparable behaviour. It strikes me he left Fulham for what he thought was a better job and it turned out it wasn't. I think we've all done that. I don't know many people who've blackmailed and defrauded their employers though.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 22, 2016 10:08:46 GMT
Were the Police involved in these serious crimes? Can you send me the links of what he did at Stoke which of course should be your main concern. I can remmeber him being sacked by the incompetent and idiotic Icelanders. Other than that it seems that personal hatred and bigotry is all that's left. No but both issues were raised and settled in court as civil matters. I don't know where you get hatred and bigotry from. The bloke did a good job but is obviously only interested in Tony Pulis and will do much pretty much anything to look after number one. When that coincides with what's good for his employers then all is fine. And when it doesn't, it's not. I'm grateful for the job he did, and grateful he's now gone. Still waiting for you to link to Mark Hughes' comparable behaviour. It strikes me he left Fulham for what he thought was a better job and it turned out it wasn't. I think we've all done that. I don't know many people who've blackmailed and defrauded their employers though. I think it proves that Mark Hughes is only interested in Mark Hughes like every other football manager ever born. Unless you think he has some sort of special affinity to Stoke?
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Post by greyman on Mar 22, 2016 11:05:14 GMT
No but both issues were raised and settled in court as civil matters. I don't know where you get hatred and bigotry from. The bloke did a good job but is obviously only interested in Tony Pulis and will do much pretty much anything to look after number one. When that coincides with what's good for his employers then all is fine. And when it doesn't, it's not. I'm grateful for the job he did, and grateful he's now gone. Still waiting for you to link to Mark Hughes' comparable behaviour. It strikes me he left Fulham for what he thought was a better job and it turned out it wasn't. I think we've all done that. I don't know many people who've blackmailed and defrauded their employers though. I think it proves that Mark Hughes is only interested in Mark Hughes like every other football manager ever born. Unless you think he has some sort of special affinity to Stoke? Maybe so, but you still haven't provided any links to his comparable behaviour. I'll make it easy for you and let you link to any other manager's who have a comparable track record of blackmail and fraud.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 22, 2016 12:11:07 GMT
I think it proves that Mark Hughes is only interested in Mark Hughes like every other football manager ever born. Unless you think he has some sort of special affinity to Stoke? Maybe so, but you still haven't provided any links to his comparable behaviour. I'll make it easy for you and let you link to any other manager's who have a comparable track record of blackmail and fraud. I've never accused Hughes of any such thing. I've still yet to see the criminal convictions for the above serious crimes or evidence of anything he did at Stoke to attract the level of venom you and others have directed at him from day 1.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 22, 2016 12:22:42 GMT
Sheiky - You clearly need to familiarise Greyman with the "truth" about the betrayal of the suits where Scholes and Cartwright stabbed Tone in the back thus preventing delivery of the world of football changing dossier that would have delivered progress beyond imagination. My posting record on this is pretty clear. It wasn't a sacking offence but it was the right decision. It has worked out fantastically. Pulis did a superb job and is a Stoke legend. Hughes is doing a fantastic job and will be a Stoke legend. Come and join me and state the same undoubted truth. You'll feel released and won’t have that heavy cloud of bias hanging over your head any longer. How can it be the right decision but not a sacking offence? He was fucked off because the club deserved and expected more from its investment and pullis either couldn't or I suspect wouldn't do it If someone is not moving your organisation forwards they are at best keeping it stagnant or in pullis case taking us back
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Post by greyman on Mar 22, 2016 12:23:05 GMT
Sheikh
The evidence is all there. Go read it.
The venom is something he attracts all by himself. The atmosphere at West Brom is increasingly toxic and you'll hear all the same stuff wherever he's been. He's not even universally liked when he's getting results. When things are going against him and the mask slips, then the animosity really kicks in.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 22, 2016 12:26:52 GMT
My posting record on this is pretty clear. It wasn't a sacking offence but it was the right decision. It has worked out fantastically. Pulis did a superb job and is a Stoke legend. Hughes is doing a fantastic job and will be a Stoke legend. Come and join me and state the same undoubted truth. You'll feel released and won’t have that heavy cloud of bias hanging over your head any longer. How can it be the right decision but not a sacking offence? He was fucked off because the club deserved and expected more from its investment and pullis either couldn't or I suspect wouldn't do it If someone is not moving your organisation forwards they are at best keeping it stagnant or in pullis case taking us back Are you suggesting that every manager who gets terminated deserves it. I personally thought that he'd been manager a long time and freshening things up would benefit both parties. If it was delivered results wise is considered a sacking offence we're going to see some high turnover of managers in the coming years, that is for sure.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 22, 2016 12:29:11 GMT
Sheikh The evidence is all there. Go read it. The venom is something he attracts all by himself. The atmosphere at West Brom is increasingly toxic and you'll hear all the same stuff wherever he's been. He's not even universally liked when he's getting results. When things are going against him and the mask slips, then the animosity really kicks in. The evidence for what? Of course we all know the what the real reason for the venom held by most Stoke fans is based upon. Years of proving them wrong and making them look extremely foolish.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 22, 2016 12:31:46 GMT
How can it be the right decision but not a sacking offence? He was fucked off because the club deserved and expected more from its investment and pullis either couldn't or I suspect wouldn't do it If someone is not moving your organisation forwards they are at best keeping it stagnant or in pullis case taking us back Are you suggesting that every manager who gets terminated deserves it. I personally thought that he'd been manager a long time and freshening things up would benefit both parties. If it was delivered results wise is considered a sacking offence we're going to see some high turnover of managers in the coming years, that is for sure. There are many reasons a manager gets sacked Rarely are they hard done by
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Post by greyman on Mar 22, 2016 12:32:13 GMT
Sheikh The evidence is all there. Go read it. The venom is something he attracts all by himself. The atmosphere at West Brom is increasingly toxic and you'll hear all the same stuff wherever he's been. He's not even universally liked when he's getting results. When things are going against him and the mask slips, then the animosity really kicks in. The evidence for what? Of course we all know the what the real reason for the venom held by most Stoke fans is based upon. Years of proving them wrong and making them look extremely foolish. The evidence that he tried to blackmail Gillingham and then lied to Crystal Palace to take them for £2 million. All in court transcripts. The reason for the venom is that he attracts it. I think even his harshest critic has to concede he did a good job. I'm grateful to him but see him for what he is.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 22, 2016 12:38:15 GMT
Not at all. We're talking about the final two years and your support for Tony Scholes and the owners and board in their decision to sack Pulis based on his failure to progress with more resources available to him. Sheiky - You clearly need to familiarise Greyman with the "truth" about the betrayal of the suits where Scholes and Cartwright stabbed Tone in the back thus preventing delivery of the world of football changing dossier that would have delivered progress beyond imagination. We will never know what earth shattering brilliance this would have brought to the team will we now? What a shame.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 22, 2016 12:42:26 GMT
The evidence for what? Of course we all know the what the real reason for the venom held by most Stoke fans is based upon. Years of proving them wrong and making them look extremely foolish. The evidence that he tried to blackmail Gillingham and then lied to Crystal Palace to take them for £2 million. All in court transcripts. The reason for the venom is that he attracts it. I think even his harshest critic has to concede he did a good job. I'm grateful to him but see him for what he is. Peter Coates saw fit to employ him. Maybe because of the reputation of Mr Scally whom you presumably feel sorry for. So we can then agree that he did a fantastic job at Stoke City and is not guilty of any of the accusations you suggest elsewhere in over a decade at the club. I'll think I'll stand by me reason for the continued venom held by a group of Stoke fans. It certainly makes more sense.
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Post by skip on Mar 22, 2016 12:45:51 GMT
Pulis did a great job for us second time around. I just don't trust him as far as I can throw him.
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Post by greyman on Mar 22, 2016 12:51:30 GMT
The evidence that he tried to blackmail Gillingham and then lied to Crystal Palace to take them for £2 million. All in court transcripts. The reason for the venom is that he attracts it. I think even his harshest critic has to concede he did a good job. I'm grateful to him but see him for what he is. Peter Coates saw fit to employ him. Maybe because of the reputation of Mr Scally whom you presumably feel sorry for. So we can then agree that he did a fantastic job at Stoke City and is not guilty of any of the accusations you suggest elsewhere in over a decade at the club. I'll think I'll stand by me reason for the continued venom held by a group of Stoke fans. It certainly makes more sense. Well you are free to do that but then you also have to explain the venom aimed at him at all his other clubs, including his current one. Feel free to come up with some theories about that. I'm all ears.
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