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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2016 8:34:43 GMT
Hull, Barnsley, Wrexham, Chester and Ipswich were all outside the top flight. The definition of journeyman is someone who is reliable but not outstanding, pretty much a 1 in 5 career goalscoring record backs that up. I don't dislike anyone just honest enough to recognise we're moving on from Walters and if we are serious about trying to break into the top 6, he will be replaced with much better when Hughes identifies the right player. How many journeymen do we have playing for us at the moment besides the one yesterday that scored one and assisted for the other and was named MOM by the BBC? Alright then how many top class players do West Brom or Norwich have ? At a push you might be able to claim Berhaino could be if he was managed properly. The fact that Walters averages a goal roughly every 5 games tells you the Watford game is the exception rather than the rule, I could list several games where he missed some very good chances (Newcastle away, Liverpool in the cup) even Chelsea at home in the cup he scored a wonder goal missed an easier chance. I don't dislike Walters just as I've said if we're serious about trying to crack the top 6 he's one near the top of the list to be upgraded,no different to Walters when he effectively replaced Creswell in the squad that's the way football is.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2016 8:39:27 GMT
Hull, Barnsley, Wrexham, Chester and Ipswich were all outside the top flight. The definition of journeyman is someone who is reliable but not outstanding, pretty much a 1 in 5 career goalscoring record backs that up. I don't dislike anyone just honest enough to recognise we're moving on from Walters and if we are serious about trying to break into the top 6, he will be replaced with much better when Hughes identifies the right player. The journey continues
"Jon Walters capped a memorable weekend and a memorable year when, having scored for Stoke City in their 2-1 win at Watford on Saturday, he was last night named Ireland’s Player of 2015 at the annual FAI/3 International Awards"
www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/jon-walters-privileged-to-win-player-of-the-year-award-388627.html
Good for him but it's not exactly the Balloon D'or.
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Post by upthefud on Mar 21, 2016 8:45:20 GMT
Just remember guys that whilst some of you are coming onto a Stoke City messageboard at work and are reveling in the news, Tony Pulis is a multi-millionaire who can afford to pay it back and will get another multi-million pound bonus in the summer.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Mar 21, 2016 9:37:21 GMT
of course he can afford it,he has still got the bonus,he never bought the house for his son !!!!!!
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Post by skip on Mar 21, 2016 10:05:48 GMT
Just remember guys that whilst some of you are coming onto a Stoke City messageboard at work and are reveling in the news, Tony Pulis is a multi-millionaire who can afford to pay it back and will get another multi-million pound bonus in the summer. It says something about his - and all Premier League managers - salaries that he can be ordered to pay a sum of money this size and it not break him financially. Frigging hell, how much are managers on nowadays...
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Post by Gods on Mar 21, 2016 10:21:07 GMT
Just remember guys that whilst some of you are coming onto a Stoke City messageboard at work and are reveling in the news, Tony Pulis is a multi-millionaire who can afford to pay it back and will get another multi-million pound bonus in the summer. It says something about his - and all Premier League managers - salaries that he can be ordered to pay a sum of money this size and it not break him financially. Frigging hell, how much are managers on nowadays... Tone is a highly remunerated version of one of those 'super-heads' that get brought in to rescue failing schools isn't he?!
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Post by skip on Mar 21, 2016 10:23:03 GMT
It says something about his - and all Premier League managers - salaries that he can be ordered to pay a sum of money this size and it not break him financially. Frigging hell, how much are managers on nowadays... Tone is a highly remunerated version of one of those 'super-heads' that get brought in to recuse failing schools isn't he?! Not a bad parallel actually. The 'my way or the highway' school of governance and personnel management.
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Post by Gods on Mar 21, 2016 10:29:48 GMT
Tone is a highly remunerated version of one of those 'super-heads' that get brought in to recuse failing schools isn't he?! Not a bad parallel actually. The 'my way or the highway' school of governance and personnel management. Creativity might go out of the window for a bit and there will no doubt be some blood on the tracks but the Ofsted numbers pick up
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 21, 2016 10:43:16 GMT
Good for him but it's not exactly the Balloon D'or. If you'd stopped at "Good for him." then you could have walked away with your head held high. As it is you've made yourself look a bit of an arse. PS Just a tip - try celebrating and recognising the achievements of the players we do have rather than going on about the players we "will" have. It was understandable in the shit times but it's ridiculous when we're enjoying arguably our most successful period since the early 70s. PPS Its Ballon D'Or not Balloon. PPPS Before some other smart arse points it out....perhaps Jon would be more likely to win the (dog chasing a) Balloon d'Or.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 21, 2016 10:44:39 GMT
It says something about his - and all Premier League managers - salaries that he can be ordered to pay a sum of money this size and it not break him financially. Frigging hell, how much are managers on nowadays... Tone is a highly remunerated version of one of those 'super-heads' that get brought in to recuse failing schools isn't he?! One visit to his office to witness "the towel" would tame even Zammo Maguire......
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Post by skip on Mar 21, 2016 11:14:46 GMT
Not a bad parallel actually. The 'my way or the highway' school of governance and personnel management. Creativity might go out of the window for a bit and there will no doubt be some blood on the tracks but the Ofsted numbers pick up And the bright young teacher with their new fangled ways can kiss their radical pedagogy goodbye...
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2016 12:22:50 GMT
Good for him but it's not exactly the Balloon D'or. If you'd stopped at "Good for him." then you could have walked away with your head held high. As it is you've made yourself look a bit of an arse. PS Just a tip - try celebrating and recognising the achievements of the players we do have rather than going on about the players we "will" have. It was understandable in the shit times but it's ridiculous when we're enjoying arguably our most successful period since the early 70s. PPS Its Ballon D'Or not Balloon. PPPS Before some other smart arse points it out....perhaps Jon would be more likely to win the (dog chasing a) Balloon d'Or. Just like Jon i'm not Irish so whoever wins the Irish player of the year is not really of any great interest to me, it's not awarded on anything done for the team or the country I support so i'm not going to get too excited about it. If you don't want to look like an arse perhaps try reading what I posted just because a guy has a good game and wins an award does not deflect from the truth in my assessment of him as a player, perhaps you can make him a forever greatful banner when he leaves, you seem the type.
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Post by greyman on Mar 21, 2016 13:51:53 GMT
No my figure shows the growth between the last year of Pulis and the first year of Hughes. Obviously a massive hike of £1million in club salaries proves your point that Hughes has only managed to improve matters by virtue of an inflated wage bill My numbers are via Deloitte not agents or some comic. Glad you enojoyed your brainwashing last night (were they paying?). I'm sure you will be polishing Scholes cock again in the magazine soon. I think we've reached the point where you agree with the owners of the club that if you're forking out tens or even hundreds of millions of increased transfer fees and wages, there should be some signs of progress and development. That should wrap it up.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 21, 2016 13:55:28 GMT
Glad you enojoyed your brainwashing last night (were they paying?). I'm sure you will be polishing Scholes cock again in the magazine soon. I think we've reached the point where you agree with the owners of the club that if you're forking out tens or even hundreds of millions of increased transfer fees and wages, there should be some signs of progress and development. That should wrap it up. Yeah from 12th in the Championship with gates of 14,000 to mid table in the Premier League with the highest average gate for decades represented no progress whatsoever. More journalistic license?
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 21, 2016 13:56:54 GMT
If you'd stopped at "Good for him." then you could have walked away with your head held high. As it is you've made yourself look a bit of an arse. PS Just a tip - try celebrating and recognising the achievements of the players we do have rather than going on about the players we "will" have. It was understandable in the shit times but it's ridiculous when we're enjoying arguably our most successful period since the early 70s. PPS Its Ballon D'Or not Balloon. PPPS Before some other smart arse points it out....perhaps Jon would be more likely to win the (dog chasing a) Balloon d'Or. Just like Jon i'm not Irish so whoever wins the Irish player of the year is not really of any great interest to me, it's not awarded on anything done for the team or the country I support so i'm not going to get too excited about it. If you don't want to look like an arse perhaps try reading what I posted just because a guy has a good game and wins an award does not deflect from the truth in my assessment of him as a player, perhaps you can make him a forever greatful banner when he leaves, you seem the type. "I seem the type" to appreciate and celebrate one of the most disciplined and dedicated players to wear the shirt in recent times? Yup, I'm definitely that type.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 21, 2016 13:58:02 GMT
If you'd stopped at "Good for him." then you could have walked away with your head held high. As it is you've made yourself look a bit of an arse. PS Just a tip - try celebrating and recognising the achievements of the players we do have rather than going on about the players we "will" have. It was understandable in the shit times but it's ridiculous when we're enjoying arguably our most successful period since the early 70s. PPS Its Ballon D'Or not Balloon. PPPS Before some other smart arse points it out....perhaps Jon would be more likely to win the (dog chasing a) Balloon d'Or. Just like Jon i'm not Irish so whoever wins the Irish player of the year is not really of any great interest to me, it's not awarded on anything done for the team or the country I support so i'm not going to get too excited about it. If you don't want to look like an arse perhaps try reading what I posted just because a guy has a good game and wins an award does not deflect from the truth in my assessment of him as a player, p erhaps you can make him a forever greatful banner when he leaves, you seem the type.yeah... what's the world coming to when you want to be grateful to a player for your OWN team for the work he's done over the years!!!!! foxysgloves you wanker!!!!! NEVER show any gratitude to Stoke's players please, there's a good chap! we don't want people thinking you're actually a fan of the team and like to show support towards our players after all!
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 21, 2016 13:59:46 GMT
Foxysgloves?
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 21, 2016 14:00:40 GMT
Just like Jon i'm not Irish so whoever wins the Irish player of the year is not really of any great interest to me, it's not awarded on anything done for the team or the country I support so i'm not going to get too excited about it. If you don't want to look like an arse perhaps try reading what I posted just because a guy has a good game and wins an award does not deflect from the truth in my assessment of him as a player, p erhaps you can make him a forever greatful banner when he leaves, you seem the type.yeah... what's the world coming to when you want to be grateful to a player for your OWN team for the work he's done over the years!!!!! foxysgloves you wanker!!!!! NEVER show any gratitude to Stoke's players please, there's a good chap! we don't want people thinking you're actually a fan of the team and like to show support towards our players after all! Not often I get in ahead of you Mick but see above!! Giving myself a well deserved pat on the back. In fact, in honour of Jons award, I'll make it a Paddy on the back!!
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 21, 2016 14:02:30 GMT
Haha!! No but I want that flag as my duvet cover.
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 21, 2016 14:03:20 GMT
Haha!! No but I want that flag as my duvet cover. Only wearing less clothes (Jon not you).
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 21, 2016 14:10:22 GMT
Haha!! No but I want that flag as my duvet cover. Only wearing less clothes (Jon not you). See....now you've gone too far....the thought of you imagining me with SJW in bed has made me feel dirty and used. Where's a moderator when you need one???!!!
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2016 14:22:57 GMT
Just like Jon i'm not Irish so whoever wins the Irish player of the year is not really of any great interest to me, it's not awarded on anything done for the team or the country I support so i'm not going to get too excited about it. If you don't want to look like an arse perhaps try reading what I posted just because a guy has a good game and wins an award does not deflect from the truth in my assessment of him as a player, perhaps you can make him a forever greatful banner when he leaves, you seem the type. "I seem the type" to appreciate and celebrate one of the most disciplined and dedicated players to wear the shirt in recent times? Yup, I'm definitely that type. Dedicated and disciplined well apart from toys out of the pram over his non-transfer to Norwich and then his non appearance for West Brom at home was it?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 21, 2016 14:27:12 GMT
"I seem the type" to appreciate and celebrate one of the most disciplined and dedicated players to wear the shirt in recent times? Yup, I'm definitely that type. Dedicated and disciplined well apart from toys out of the pram over his non-transfer to Norwich and then his non appearance for West Brom at home was it? by "toys out of the pram" do you mean "Re-negotiating contract"? what an arsehole eh!! club offer you a certain amount, you ask for more, you end up meeting somewhere in the middle....it's almost as if that's what negotiating actually is!!!!!
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2016 14:30:16 GMT
Just like Jon i'm not Irish so whoever wins the Irish player of the year is not really of any great interest to me, it's not awarded on anything done for the team or the country I support so i'm not going to get too excited about it. If you don't want to look like an arse perhaps try reading what I posted just because a guy has a good game and wins an award does not deflect from the truth in my assessment of him as a player, p erhaps you can make him a forever greatful banner when he leaves, you seem the type.yeah... what's the world coming to when you want to be grateful to a player for your OWN team for the work he's done over the years!!!!! foxysgloves you wanker!!!!! NEVER show any gratitude to Stoke's players please, there's a good chap! we don't want people thinking you're actually a fan of the team and like to show support towards our players after all! I do believe I said make a banner when he leaves which would mean he wouldn't be our player making your usual high handed response and attempt at ridicule look a bit daft.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 21, 2016 14:33:03 GMT
yeah... what's the world coming to when you want to be grateful to a player for your OWN team for the work he's done over the years!!!!! foxysgloves you wanker!!!!! NEVER show any gratitude to Stoke's players please, there's a good chap! we don't want people thinking you're actually a fan of the team and like to show support towards our players after all! I do believe I said make a banner when he leaves which would mean he wouldn't be our player making your usual high handed response and attempt at ridicule look a bit daft. to be honest, the way you've slagged off and belittled one of your own club's players means that there isn't really much need for anyone to post anything to make you look like a prick on this thread
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2016 14:41:40 GMT
Dedicated and disciplined well apart from toys out of the pram over his non-transfer to Norwich and then his non appearance for West Brom at home was it? by "toys out of the pram" do you mean "Re-negotiating contract"? what an arsehole eh!! club offer you a certain amount, you ask for more, you end up meeting somewhere in the middle....it's almost as if that's what negotiating actually is!!!!! Quitting or Threatening to quit when things don't go your way I can understand how you'd identify with that but come on really transfer requests, mouthing off on live TV non appearance for West Brom game was just “contract negotiations" call it what it was he was trying to force through a transfer to get the money he wanted from whoever would pay it. He's perfectly entitled to do that just as I am entitled to cry bullshit when someone says he is dedicated, if they said hard working I wouldn't have commented.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 21, 2016 14:47:38 GMT
I do believe I said make a banner when he leaves which would mean he wouldn't be our player making your usual high handed response and attempt at ridicule look a bit daft. to be honest, the way you've slagged off and belittled one of your own club's players means that there isn't really much need for anyone to post anything to make you look like a prick on this thread Slagged off you mean quoted his actual scoring record what a twat I am, and I also quoted a conversation I had with a Palace fan and because I agree with the comment he is journeyman (reliable but not outstanding) that counts as belittling, you must be in tears reading comments after games we lose. How dare I have a different opinion.
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 21, 2016 14:56:20 GMT
Anyhoooo...
Are we having a whip round for tone?
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Post by elystokie on Mar 21, 2016 18:05:01 GMT
Anyhoooo... Are we having a whip round for tone? I've got 100,000 Vietnamese Dong he can have, bastard banks won't take em back >:D
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 21, 2016 19:18:00 GMT
Pulis deserves huge credit and praise for transforming our football club. Of course Coates and the investment were also a big factors and helped to make it all possible. Money alone equals nothing though. With the wrong manager we'd have gone nowhere. There's been plenty of teams who had bigger budgets than ours and never made it out of the championship. Pulis made it all possible. Your original point that I responded to was that it was the presence of Tony Pulis that transformed the club when it was clearly the return of a loaded Coates that was the true transforming factor that Pulis was able to put to admirable use. I wouldn't necessarily agree with all of your new position but it is a far more plausible point of view. Pulis was the catalyst. Coates provided the platform.
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