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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 12, 2016 20:28:53 GMT
I'm a big fan and this isn't me being a knicker wetter but I do have a concern.
For me he's been like a breath of fresh air since he came and he has now assembled a group of very good players.
I do think he's a great manager and wouldn't want anyone else managing the club however for me he does have some shortcomings re tactics.
+'s
He's signed some excellent and very exciting players on a relatively low budget.
He appears to be a very good man manager and highly respected by the players.
He's excellent with the media.
He's got us trying to play "football"
He's improved the image of the club and is moving us to the next level.
-'s
He doesn't seem to be very flexible tactically. Particularly at home. No plan B.
We don't appear to practice set pieces. (Could we get a specialist in if it's not his bag as it's costing us particularly on attacking set pieces)
He still doesn't seem to know his best forward combination after 30 games.
Am I being unfair?
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 12, 2016 20:31:47 GMT
If he was world class, he wouldn't be here.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Mar 12, 2016 20:37:07 GMT
I'm a big fan and this isn't me being a knicker wetter but I do have a concern. For me he's been like a breath of fresh air since he came and he has now assembled some very good players. I do think he's a great manager and wouldn't want anyone else however for me he does have some shortcomings re tactics. +'s He's signed some excellent and very exciting players on a relatively low budget. He appears to be a very good man manager and highly respected by the players. Good with the media. He's got us trying to play "football." He's improved the image of the club. -'s He doesn't seem to be very flexible tactically. Particularly at home. He clearly doesn't practice set pieces. (Could we get a specialist in if it's not his bag as it's costing us) He still doesn't seem to know his best team (In particular in relation to his striker) after 30 games. Am I being unfair? Your not being unfair pal. Your being very boring and ungrateful. Your best just doing one SGS
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 12, 2016 20:41:03 GMT
I'm a big fan and this isn't me being a knicker wetter but I do have a concern. For me he's been like a breath of fresh air since he came and he has now assembled some very good players. I do think he's a great manager and wouldn't want anyone else however for me he does have some shortcomings re tactics. +'s He's signed some excellent and very exciting players on a relatively low budget. He appears to be a very good man manager and highly respected by the players. Good with the media. He's got us trying to play "football." He's improved the image of the club. -'s He doesn't seem to be very flexible tactically. Particularly at home. He clearly doesn't practice set pieces. (Could we get a specialist in if it's not his bag as it's costing us) He still doesn't seem to know his best team (In particular in relation to his striker) after 30 games. Am I being unfair? Fair assessment. I think he is flexible to be fair - he's tried a few different systems and options, they just don't always work. I'm a huge fan but the longstanding problems that are no closer to being addressed than when he arrived worry me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 20:44:29 GMT
I'm a big fan and this isn't me being a knicker wetter but I do have a concern. For me he's been like a breath of fresh air since he came and he has now assembled some very good players. I do think he's a great manager and wouldn't want anyone else however for me he does have some shortcomings re tactics. +'s He's signed some excellent and very exciting players on a relatively low budget. He appears to be a very good man manager and highly respected by the players. Good with the media. He's got us trying to play "football." He's improved the image of the club. -'s He doesn't seem to be very flexible tactically. Particularly at home. He clearly doesn't practice set pieces. (Could we get a specialist in if it's not his bag as it's costing us) He still doesn't seem to know his best team (In particular in relation to his striker) after 30 games. Am I being unfair I'm a huge fan but the longstanding problems that are no closer to being addressed than when he arrived worry me. The corners and suchlike?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 12, 2016 20:46:35 GMT
I'm a huge fan but the longstanding problems that are no closer to being addressed than when he arrived worry me. The corners and suchlike? Yeah, and the ponderous, unimaginative, static play in the final third at home against teams who sit deep.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 12, 2016 20:48:05 GMT
I agree about set pieces, it is almost criminal how poor we are at set pieces considering the quality of players we have. I don't think I've ever seen a Stoke player attack a corner with purpose in two seasons now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 20:48:21 GMT
The corners and suchlike? Yeah, and the ponderous, unimaginative, static play in the final third at home against teams who sit deep. Oh right. Yeah gottcha now. What?
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Post by liamo on Mar 12, 2016 20:50:43 GMT
I think we've been unfortunate with injuries this season, Hughes can't find our best 11 and stick with it because important players are injured and it completely unbalances the team, we're also inconsistent, one week we can be on one level and Hughes expects that level the following week and doesn't get it
Shawcross gets injured, we patch the back 4, Johnson gets injured and we're left with no width when Shaq goes inside, Shaq gets injured we're left with a make do winger in Walters or Diouf
Honestly i can forgive Hughes for his tactical issues because important players are injured constantly, this squad can and do turn up and play some amazing football on the way to winning, our problem is we don't know which Stoke City will be turning up until 15 minutes after kick off
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Mar 12, 2016 20:51:09 GMT
He has been a breath of fresh air for our club but 1st half today he really wound me up by not moving a fuckin muscle for 30 minutes and this when we needed a push from the side imo.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 12, 2016 20:52:03 GMT
He has been a breath of fresh air for our club but 1st half today he really wound me up by not moving a fuckin muscle for 30 minutes and this when we needed a push from the side imo. I don't think that's here nor there Mutts. Would that really have made a difference?
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Mar 12, 2016 20:53:40 GMT
He has been a breath of fresh air for our club but 1st half today he really wound me up by not moving a fuckin muscle for 30 minutes and this when we needed a push from the side imo. I don't think that's here nor there Mutts. Would that really have made a difference? For me Rob yes and it's not the 1st time either.Some of our players need a kick up the arse as half time proved
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 20:54:17 GMT
Christ alive, does this really need to be a thread? You come across as utterly ungrateful for what we have, no one on here really knows our best XI either we have been plagued by injuries and strikers have had major problems for us too. Set-pieces is a weird one but still, I struggle to believe he just doesn't practise them.
What a fucking annoying thread.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 12, 2016 20:55:12 GMT
I'm a big fan and this isn't me being a knicker wetter but I do have a concern. For me he's been like a breath of fresh air since he came and he has now assembled some very good players. I do think he's a great manager and wouldn't want anyone else however for me he does have some shortcomings re tactics. +'s He's signed some excellent and very exciting players on a relatively low budget. He appears to be a very good man manager and highly respected by the players. Good with the media. He's got us trying to play "football." He's improved the image of the club. -'s He doesn't seem to be very flexible tactically. Particularly at home. He clearly doesn't practice set pieces. (Could we get a specialist in if it's not his bag as it's costing us) He still doesn't seem to know his best team (In particular in relation to his striker) after 30 games. Am I being unfair? Your not being unfair pal. Your being very boring and ungrateful. Your best just doing one SGS After 40 years I don't want to "do one" I thought this board was for expressing views both positive and negative which I think could summarise my post. For me that has to be more interesting than just popping onto threads and coming up with 2 lines of angry, rude replys. CS
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 12, 2016 20:57:04 GMT
I don't think that's here nor there Mutts. Would that really have made a difference? For me Rob yes and it's not the 1st time either.Some of our players need a kick up the arse as half time proved If clapping your hands and shouting 'come on' really, really loud made that much of a difference then Stuart Pearce would be managing in the Champions League. Other than being demonstrative for the fans, does it actually achieve anything? Fergie wasn't constantly in his technical area.
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 12, 2016 20:57:16 GMT
Christ alive, does this really need to be a thread? You come across as utterly ungrateful for what we have, no one on here really knows our best XI either we have been plagued by injuries and strikers have had major problems for us too. Set-pieces is a weird one but still, I struggle to believe he just doesn't practise them. What a fucking annoying thread. It seems that some of us want perfection. If we were third, we would have some fans moaning that the mistakes made were costing us from winning the title.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 12, 2016 20:57:37 GMT
Christ alive, does this really need to be a thread? You come across as utterly ungrateful for what we have, no one on here really knows our best XI either we have been plagued by injuries and strikers have had major problems for us too. Set-pieces is a weird one but still, I struggle to believe he just doesn't practise them. What a fucking annoying thread. It's only 'ungrateful' if we're saying the manager is above criticism.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 20:58:56 GMT
Some of the replies to the OP have been very harsh. I think its a well constructed post and very fair as an appraisal.
Hughes isn't perfect and I think the OP has it spot on with his weaknesses, and strengths.
If this kind of post isn't allowed on here without some of those replies then it's time to close it down and pack it all in IMO.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Mar 12, 2016 20:59:36 GMT
Your not being unfair pal. Your being very boring and ungrateful. Your best just doing one SGS After 40 years I don't want to "do one" I thought this board was for expressing views both positive and negative which I think could summarise my post. For me that has to be more interesting than just popping onto threads and coming up with 2 lines of angry, rude replys. CS We will have to agree to differ. What's the point in being negative? What does it achieve? We are in a very strong position as a club. If not the strongest ever. I just get tired of people, particularly at the game, who expect us to just turn up and turn over good, strong, established premier league teams and mashers and whinge like little children when we don't. People need to get a reality check and realise what a fantastic place we are in. Or do one. That's MY opinion. SGS
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Post by wuzza on Mar 12, 2016 21:00:20 GMT
Your not being unfair pal. Your being very boring and ungrateful. Your best just doing one SGS After 40 years I don't want to "do one" I thought this board was for expressing views both positive and negative which I think could summarise my post. For me that has to be more interesting than just popping onto threads and coming up with 2 lines of angry, rude replys. CS You raise very legitimate points. It's been an odd season and it is frustrating that we are no further forward now than at the start of it with some issues. Think it's one of those where you just have to trust that behind the scenes they are aware of what needs doing and are gradually putting things in place to facilitate some changes.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Mar 12, 2016 21:01:25 GMT
For me Rob yes and it's not the 1st time either.Some of our players need a kick up the arse as half time proved If clapping your hands and shouting 'come on' really, really loud made that much of a difference then Stuart Pearce would be managing in the Champions League. Other than being demonstrative for the fans, does it actually achieve anything? Fergie wasn't constantly in his technical area. He wasn't but his assistant's were.Like I said some of our players respond to a fist pump or two especially Arnie who has had a few rockets from the touchline and improved after.Each to their own Rob but for me today he needed to be visible when things were going wrong in the opening half hour
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 12, 2016 21:04:32 GMT
If clapping your hands and shouting 'come on' really, really loud made that much of a difference then Stuart Pearce would be managing in the Champions League. Other than being demonstrative for the fans, does it actually achieve anything? Fergie wasn't constantly in his technical area. He wasn't but his assistant's were.Like I said some of our players respond to a fist pump or two especially Arnie who has had a few rockets from the touchline and improved after.Each to their own Rob but for me today he needed to be visible when things were going wrong in the opening half hour I just don't think it's important mate. I don't see any evidence that it is. Sven used to get pelters for it with Englanf as well. 'Passion' is the most overrated commodity in football.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Mar 12, 2016 21:05:12 GMT
He wasn't but his assistant's were.Like I said some of our players respond to a fist pump or two especially Arnie who has had a few rockets from the touchline and improved after.Each to their own Rob but for me today he needed to be visible when things were going wrong in the opening half hour I just don't think it's important mate. I don't see any evidence that it is. Sven used to get pelters for it with Englanf as well. 'Passion' is the most overrated commodity in football. Fair enough Rob we'll agree to differ
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 12, 2016 21:07:10 GMT
We are one of the best ten clubs in the country. I'll say that again. WE ARE ONE OF THE BEST TEN CLUBS IN THE COUNTRY.
Something almost none of us could have imagined only a handful of years ago. I'd also add this.... At some point, we won't be one of the best ten clubs in the country, in fact we won't even be in the top twenty.
I can forgive Hughes for his deficiencies because overall I'm very happy with where my club is. I'm enjoying the ride and am grateful for where we are, because as I have said above, at some point we will be where Leeds, Sheff Weds, Notts Forest etc are and other 'lesser' clubs will have overtaken us.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 12, 2016 21:07:54 GMT
He's generally done a fantastic job but if there's one aspect he deserves criticism on it's our set piece record. Both defending them and particularly attacking them. The facts are stark, we last scored from a corner on January 1st 2015 FIFTEEN months ago. Clearly something is going wrong with our preparation on the training ground and the manager has to take the criticism for that. I'm surprised it's not getting more media attention to be honest.
The lack of goals from set pieces is one of the reasons why we're struggling to score goals, we're excluding one of the traditionally prolific sources of goals. Set pieces are the one area of the game that's predictable and can be practiced and planned for and clearly whatever we're doing isn't working because we don't look even remotely threatening. Set piece goals nick 1-0 wins from poor performances, turn 1-0 into 2-0, 2-0 into 3-0, 1-1 into 2-1 etc. It just seems crazy that we're apparently neglecting them so much.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Mar 12, 2016 21:08:06 GMT
After 40 years I don't want to "do one" I thought this board was for expressing views both positive and negative which I think could summarise my post. For me that has to be more interesting than just popping onto threads and coming up with 2 lines of angry, rude replys. CS We will have to agree to differ. What's the point in being negative? What does it achieve? We are in a very strong position as a club. If not the strongest ever. I just get tired of people, particularly at the game, who expect us to just turn up and turn over good, strong, established premier league teams and mashers and whinge like little children when we don't. People need to get a reality check and realise what a fantastic place we are in. Or do one. That's MY opinion. SGS Happy Clapper.
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 12, 2016 21:12:25 GMT
If he was world class, he wouldn't be here. Personally I believe him to be world class. We have improved every season and I honestly believe we will sign who we need in summer.
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 12, 2016 21:15:19 GMT
It's like having a blow job off danni but let's be honest it's not kylie at the end of the day
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Post by muglump on Mar 12, 2016 21:15:34 GMT
After 40 years I don't want to "do one" I thought this board was for expressing views both positive and negative which I think could summarise my post. For me that has to be more interesting than just popping onto threads and coming up with 2 lines of angry, rude replys. CS We will have to agree to differ. What's the point in being negative? What does it achieve? We are in a very strong position as a club. If not the strongest ever. I just get tired of people, particularly at the game, who expect us to just turn up and turn over good, strong, established premier league teams and mashers and whinge like little children when we don't. People need to get a reality check and realise what a fantastic place we are in. Or do one. That's MY opinion. SGS Whilst you are right in many ways you are also being a pompous arse. We were done today
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 12, 2016 21:15:54 GMT
After 40 years I don't want to "do one" I thought this board was for expressing views both positive and negative which I think could summarise my post. For me that has to be more interesting than just popping onto threads and coming up with 2 lines of angry, rude replys. CS We will have to agree to differ. What's the point in being negative? What does it achieve? We are in a very strong position as a club. If not the strongest ever. I just get tired of people, particularly at the game, who expect us to just turn up and turn over good, strong, established premier league teams and mashers and whinge like little children when we don't. People need to get a reality check and realise what a fantastic place we are in. Or do one. That's MY opinion. SGS I don't think I'm being negative. We've never been in a better place. I certainly don't expect us to just turn up and win all I'm saying is that we don't seem to be learning lessons at home tactically. At no point have I said we should be champions. It's just a bit frustrating. If it was down to me I'd sign MH to a 5 year contract. It'd be a pretty dull world if we agreed with everything the manager did.
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