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Post by mrcoke on Mar 15, 2016 11:52:03 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 15, 2016 11:53:24 GMT
There bus is much better than ours , lets buy that , as for there players you can't polish a turd
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 15, 2016 12:11:27 GMT
I think Stoke have moved on and are now at a level where we should not buy other teams rejects, failures, second-best, past players, or from relegated clubs.MH has bought successfully with Glenn Johnson but otherwise players like Bardsley are just a stop gap till we get someone who is real top half Prem standard. It is also time we started to have some faith in players from the Academy and throw them in occasionally rather than scavenging around teams that have failed or are second rate. If there are bargains to be had, they are the Vardys of this world from the lower divisions who have potential and the club scouts should be finding them. I can't for the life of me see what is wrong with buying players from relegated clubs. One of our best ever defenders (Huth) was bought from a relegated club and looks like he will get a Premier League winners medal this year! To be honest each player should be judged on their merits. Imbula is a reject/failure from Porto. Afellay was a player who had not been offered a contract by his previous club. Bojan was a failure at Barca and Ajax etc. etc. The more I think about it - the more I suspect you are talking bollox.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 15, 2016 12:30:10 GMT
Huth is one of the exceptions to the rule.
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Post by Bick on Mar 15, 2016 13:01:44 GMT
VILLA: Amavi & Sinclair NORWICH: Redmon & Klose Sunderland: Defoe Newcastle: Shelvey, Wijnaldum, Jaanmaat
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 15, 2016 13:50:52 GMT
I think Stoke have moved on and are now at a level where we should not buy other teams rejects, failures, second-best, past players, or from relegated clubs.MH has bought successfully with Glenn Johnson but otherwise players like Bardsley are just a stop gap till we get someone who is real top half Prem standard. It is also time we started to have some faith in players from the Academy and throw them in occasionally rather than scavenging around teams that have failed or are second rate. If there are bargains to be had, they are the Vardys of this world from the lower divisions who have potential and the club scouts should be finding them. I can't for the life of me see what is wrong with buying players from relegated clubs. One of our best ever defenders (Huth) was bought from a relegated club and looks like he will get a Premier League winners medal this year! To be honest each player should be judged on their merits. Imbula is a reject/failure from Porto. Afellay was a player who had not been offered a contract by his previous club. Bojan was a failure at Barca and Ajax etc. etc. The more I think about it - the more I suspect you are talking bollox. I accept Huth was a success, and regret his transfer, but then Sidwell wasn't, who was clearly Fulham's best player. My point remains we are now better than sourcing players from relegated clubs, which is what this thread is about, and from whom Imbula*, Afellay, Bojan, didn't come. The players people have referred to above are generally either not top half Prem players, or too old, or will have a very inflated price tag, simply because they are young and "English". (* Imbula was an investment by Porto, which wasn't working out (it happens) and they decided to cash in and make a quick profit at our expense, but their talent loss, hopefully.) If I may digress into a bit more "bollox"; football is a team game and about successful team performance, which goes some way to explain why the same group of players can play so well one week and lousy another week. This happens all the time with the Prem' better teams: Arsenal, ManC, ManU, Liverpool, and yes Stoke. Clough and Ramsay were quite prepared to leave out the "best" players preferring to select the best team; Ramsay said as much to the Charltons, when they questioned team selection. Players who are playing for relegated teams are unlikely to be excellent team players IMO, which is contributory to their teams failure.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 15, 2016 14:11:41 GMT
Huth is one of the exceptions to the rule. What "rule" is this then? Is there really a rule that all players at clubs relegated from the Premier League are, by definition, not of Premier League standard? I think not. That would imply that all players at a club were of the same standard. Had we not signed Etherington and Beattie in our second (?) season in the Premier League it is quite possible that we would have been relegated. Would this have meant that Shawcross, Huth, Sorensen, Fuller and Whelan (and others) were not Premier League standard and any club who signed them (if we had gone down) would be making a huge mistake? I think not.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 15, 2016 14:22:12 GMT
Not a single player I would take from Villa, they are the worst team in premier league history if you consider all the circumstances imo.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 15, 2016 15:02:39 GMT
Huth is one of the exceptions to the rule. What "rule" is this then? Is there really a rule that all players at clubs relegated from the Premier League are, by definition, not of Premier League standard? I think not. That would imply that all players at a club were of the same standard. Had we not signed Etherington and Beattie in our second (?) season in the Premier League it is quite possible that we would have been relegated. Would this have meant that Shawcross, Huth, Sorensen, Fuller and Whelan (and others) were not Premier League standard and any club who signed them (if we had gone down) would be making a huge mistake? I think not. i have not said that. But relegated clubs are not jam packed full of Robert Huth types. So yes he is "an exception" not the rule. And to join you as a pedant we signed Beattie and Ethers in our first prem season. To further add as a pedant there was no way we could be relegated as it never happens to tone
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 15:09:10 GMT
Too late now but I would have liked the winger that is now at Leics, before they got him. I've always rated him. Albrighton. Just remembered.
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Post by luke45 on Mar 15, 2016 17:59:22 GMT
I really rated Jordan Amavi when he was at Nice and I was surprised Villa got him last summer, his overall stats were as good as any full back in Europe at the time and I expected him to join a more successful club. He'd be worth pursuing in my opinion, especially as he's only recently turned 22 and Pieters turns 28 in August.
Other than Amavi though I don't think there's another player I'd take from Villa, the likes of Gil and Sinclair are too inconsistent for me and Traore hasn't shown an awful lot to justify his 75K a week wages even if he has had limited opportunities.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 20:09:11 GMT
Not really up to speed with any decent players at other clubs, but, as is now almost certain, Villa go down do you think they will have a firesale, and if so anything worth nicking, same goes for Blunderland, Narwich, Toon or Swansea, as 2 from them 4 will prob be joining em. There isnt anyone good enough....going down
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Post by starkerz14 on Mar 16, 2016 2:54:34 GMT
I thought Carles Gil had a good game for the Villa the other week until he got a knock.. Looked useful in the final third, but would only be third choice to Bojan and Affellay here, so pointless really..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 6:28:22 GMT
MVila from Sunderland and Redmond from Norwich if either/both go down.
Both players cover weaknesses in our squad and importantly, both are good enough.
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Post by mumf on Mar 16, 2016 9:30:12 GMT
Not interested in anything Villa have .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 9:44:15 GMT
MVila from Sunderland and Redmond from Norwich if either/both go down. Both players cover weaknesses in our squad and importantly, both are good enough. M'Vila is on loan, I'd expect we could get him if we wanted regardless. Remond would be excellent cover on the wings.
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Post by magwitch on Mar 16, 2016 9:50:45 GMT
Lakeland is right on this one: there are no rules. Every player should be judged on his merits. Players fail at certain clubs for various reasons which are not obvious to the outsider. Hughes seems particularly good at spotting hidden talent. Grealish for example at Villa seems to have lost his way, but he may blossom elsewhere if given the chance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 18:49:35 GMT
We would be arrogant to suggest no player at Villa wouldn't improve our squad.
Especially given we've reinvigorated a few players who have faltered (see Bojan, Johnson, Afellay).
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Post by burberrybassist on Mar 16, 2016 19:03:19 GMT
I always thought that Ashley Westwood would be a decent player and showed potential to be a half decent defensive minded midfielder, like a Whelan type player. Not really followed him since he went Villa so don't really know how he's done in fairness..
Apart from that the obvious for me would be Traore after we were linked to him, but isn't he on about £4 billion a week?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 19:42:46 GMT
Will it be Buy one get two free with no returns
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Post by samba :) on Mar 16, 2016 23:11:29 GMT
Not a single player I would take from Villa, they are the worst team in premier league history if you consider all the circumstances imo. Swindon and Derby were worse
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 16, 2016 23:16:40 GMT
Janmaat at Newcastle is a good call. Bit of a screw loose at times but you need a bit of that in a full back. Covers the pitch really well and can defend as well as support in the top third.
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Post by jarvinski on Mar 17, 2016 16:33:46 GMT
I would have Trevor Sinclair in a heartbeat
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Post by nott1 on Mar 17, 2016 17:21:21 GMT
I would have Trevor Sinclair in a heartbeat Five minute wonder then fades away!
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Post by salopstick on Mar 17, 2016 17:33:15 GMT
Tom Fox is available
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Post by PolPotter on Mar 17, 2016 20:44:54 GMT
Yeah yeah lets raid them for their best players. Great idea.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Mar 17, 2016 20:47:19 GMT
I would have Trevor Sinclair in a heartbeat I assumed that comment was a joke.
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 17, 2016 21:38:02 GMT
We could sign their experiences CEO at £1.25m and people moan at ours
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Post by arnie3010 on Mar 17, 2016 23:12:43 GMT
Jack Grealish?
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 17, 2016 23:59:47 GMT
Not really up to speed with any decent players at other clubs, but, as is now almost certain, Villa go down do you think they will have a firesale, and if so anything worth nicking, same goes for Blunderland, Narwich, Toon or Swansea, as 2 from them 4 will prob be joining em. There wasn't one player in that Vila team that we beat a couple of weeks back who looked anything like a Premier League standard player. The only bright spark was Scott Sinclair (how the mighty have fallen!). But even then there must be a reason why he can't get into a team playing so horrendously!
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