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Post by greystokie on Mar 3, 2016 10:13:44 GMT
Reading the comments today about the perennial wind that swirls around the Brit, its lack of parking, inadequate access and the generally poor design of the stadium got me thinking: "Where would be the ideal place to re-locate the ground, if we ever had the chance?"
As an older supporter my heart says go back to the site of the Vic but I know, in reality, that it's location is far from ideal on many levels. Festival Park would have been ideal but I don't think that's realistic anymore. Is there anywhere else?
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Post by Davef on Mar 3, 2016 10:19:52 GMT
Unless you want a stadium truly in the middle of nowhere, no.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 3, 2016 10:24:10 GMT
Are some of us fixated on the notion of moving stadium? Is this based on anything?
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Post by greystokie on Mar 3, 2016 10:25:25 GMT
Unless you want a stadium truly in the middle of nowhere, no. But would that really matter though, Dave? Provided that there was adequate parking and good access ie roads, bus service and perhaps even a station then the middle of nowhere might be ideal. |
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Post by greystokie on Mar 3, 2016 10:27:49 GMT
Are some of us fixated on the notion of moving stadium? Is this based on anything? Based on nothing more than the belief of myself and, I presume, many others that the Brit is unsatisfactory in so many ways |
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Post by metalhead on Mar 3, 2016 10:31:16 GMT
There's a big chunk of land not far away from the Brit, been for sale since about 1997. I'm sure it's called Victoria Gate or something......
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 3, 2016 10:37:55 GMT
Why not make the Vic site a state of the art car parking facility for match days, enabling people to walk to and from the Brit, thereby using the land instead of it going to waste and helping out the free for all mess of our current parking? If we expand the stadium we're going to need more parking anyway. Would St Modwen sell it back to us? Hell, we could even throw up a Victoria Ground museum there and honour what had gone before. Currently it's depressing to see it go to ruin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 10:44:16 GMT
How about this piece of land, lower level than the Brit but could have several access points to and from the A50 & A500 for ease of congestion - not too far from where the brit is now, just a less exposed site ??
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Post by metalhead on Mar 3, 2016 10:47:05 GMT
Why not make the Vic site a state of the art car parking facility for match days, enabling people to walk to and from the Brit, thereby using the land instead of it going to waste and helping out the free for all mess of our current parking? If we expand the stadium we're going to need more parking anyway. Would St Modwen sell it back to us? Hell, we could even throw up a Victoria Ground museum there and honour what had gone before. Currently it's depressing to see it go to ruin. I agree that a park and ride or something would be dead useful, no chance will St Modwen sell it back though. |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Mar 3, 2016 10:51:48 GMT
We really do need to do something about the matchday experience at our soulless stadium that's for sure.
Atmosphere dreadful
Access dreadful
Around the ground dreadful
Away fan experience dreadful
Fortunately we have a team on the pitch that keeps our support happy but the other things that make a football day out for many are just not there/available
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 3, 2016 10:52:21 GMT
There's an old place up burslem that wants knocking down and would be great for parking then bus ppl in , think they use to call it Wembley of the north
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Post by werrington on Mar 3, 2016 10:54:09 GMT
We really do need to do something about the matchday experience at our soulless stadium that's for sure. Atmosphere dreadful Access dreadful Around the ground dreadful Away fan experience dreadful Fortunately we have a team on the pitch that keeps our support happy but the other things that make a football day out for many are just not there/available It's only the inner city grounds that offer that mutts Everton is the ultimate in pre match atmosphere as its a hive of activity as is Newcastle |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Mar 3, 2016 10:57:59 GMT
We really do need to do something about the matchday experience at our soulless stadium that's for sure. Atmosphere dreadful Access dreadful Around the ground dreadful Away fan experience dreadful Fortunately we have a team on the pitch that keeps our support happy but the other things that make a football day out for many are just not there/available It's only the inner city grounds that offer that mutts Everton is the ultimate in pre match atmosphere as its a hive of activity as is Newcastle Yes maybe so mate but more has got to be done to provide eateries/Pubs/bars on the Trentham lakes site.We are light years behind other clubs in this but I suppose a lot is to do with the local council. The atmosphere in the ground is absolutely dreadful as well mate and we seem to have become a typical set of prem fans now |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 3, 2016 11:01:06 GMT
Are some of us fixated on the notion of moving stadium? Is this based on anything? Based on nothing more than the belief of myself and, I presume, many others that the Brit is unsatisfactory in so many ways Has anyone suggested it could happen? |
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Post by TinkerT on Mar 3, 2016 11:39:07 GMT
IMO it needs be around the city centre. What about somewhere by where the Vodafone call centre is now on festival park? When it used be potters bar they used have a station there too so this could be used. Use the current ground position as a park and ride for buses
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Post by potterinleeds on Mar 3, 2016 11:49:14 GMT
It's only the inner city grounds that offer that mutts Everton is the ultimate in pre match atmosphere as its a hive of activity as is Newcastle Yes maybe so mate but more has got to be done to provide eateries/Pubs/bars on the Trentham lakes site.We are light years behind other clubs in this but I suppose a lot is to do with the local council. The atmosphere in the ground is absolutely dreadful as well mate and we seem to have become a typical set of prem fans now I agree with a lot of what you say mutts, but as werrington suggests, is there not the same problem with a lot of newer, 'out of town' grounds now? I was thinking this walking out to the Kingpower from Leicester town centre a few weeks ago; there isn't much round that. Hull is the same, apart from a few chip shops on Anlaby Road and that social 'club' across the road. You are right though in that the Brit is particularly bad for this sort of thing. |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Mar 3, 2016 11:51:39 GMT
Yes maybe so mate but more has got to be done to provide eateries/Pubs/bars on the Trentham lakes site.We are light years behind other clubs in this but I suppose a lot is to do with the local council. The atmosphere in the ground is absolutely dreadful as well mate and we seem to have become a typical set of prem fans now I agree with a lot of what you say mutts, but as werrington suggests, is there not the same problem with a lot of newer, 'out of town' grounds now? I was thinking this walking out to the Kingpower from Leicester town centre a few weeks ago; there isn't much round that. Hull is the same, apart from a few chip shops on Anlaby Road and that social 'club' across the road. You are right though in that the Brit is particularly bad for this sort of thing. Derby is the example our club should be looking at and the infrastructure around the ground |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Mar 3, 2016 12:01:18 GMT
Etruria
Adjacent to the D road.
Demolish the old derelict factory buildings.
Road access to A500 / Hanley/ Shelton
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 3, 2016 12:04:52 GMT
We won't build a corner on the existing ground. Whatever makes people think a new stadium is even remotely possible???
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 3, 2016 12:07:18 GMT
Reading the comments today about the perennial wind that swirls around the Brit, its lack of parking, inadequate access and the generally poor design of the stadium got me thinking: "Where would be the ideal place to re-locate the ground, if we ever had the chance?" As an older supporter my heart says go back to the site of the Vic but I know, in reality, that it's location is far from ideal on many levels. Festival Park would have been ideal but I don't think that's realistic anymore. Is there anywhere else?1. There is a large expanse of land between Wolstanton and Cobridge. 2. The Lafarge Tarmac quarry/recycle centre near Fenton Manor Sports complex. I'm sure the council would like to move the recycle centre out of the city. But surely it is more realistic to improve the infra-structure to give better access to the Brit with roads to Queensway, rail station, etc. |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Mar 3, 2016 12:18:14 GMT
We won't build a corner on the existing ground. Whatever makes people think a new stadium is even remotely possible??? Good question. Why the hell we haven't installed wind-breaks at least is anybody's guess. The stadium and infrastructure and logistics nightmare is becoming an embarrassment actually. |
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Post by potterinleeds on Mar 3, 2016 12:18:41 GMT
I agree with a lot of what you say mutts, but as werrington suggests, is there not the same problem with a lot of newer, 'out of town' grounds now? I was thinking this walking out to the Kingpower from Leicester town centre a few weeks ago; there isn't much round that. Hull is the same, apart from a few chip shops on Anlaby Road and that social 'club' across the road. You are right though in that the Brit is particularly bad for this sort of thing. Derby is the example our club should be looking at and the infrastructure around the ground
I agree about the Ipro / Pride Park, and maybe we could follow their example in terms of pubs / bars / facilities around the ground, but in terms of access and parking surely we are shafted by our current location full stop? IMHO I just can't see how that can be improved, apart from maybe some of the park and ride ideas touted above. Don't get me wrong; at the moment, I struggle to get down to many home games, and I really look forward to coming to the Brit when I can. Realistically, I don't see us moving location either in the near / intermediate future. Genuine question, out of interest: what do you think the solution to the access is?
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Mar 3, 2016 12:26:27 GMT
Derby is the example our club should be looking at and the infrastructure around the ground
I agree about the Ipro / Pride Park, and maybe we could follow their example in terms of pubs / bars / facilities around the ground, but in terms of access and parking surely we are shafted by our current location full stop? IMHO I just can't see how that can be improved, apart from maybe some of the park and ride ideas touted above. Don't get me wrong; at the moment, I struggle to get down to many home games, and I really look forward to coming to the Brit when I can. Realistically, I don't see us moving location either in the near / intermediate future. Genuine question, out of interest: what do you think the solution to the access is?
To be honest I think we're stuck with what we have and Moxey has a lot to answer for but filling in of at least one of the corners will show some intent to our fans.Many things can be done outside but I doubt the club see this as a priority mate |
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Post by Davef on Mar 3, 2016 12:29:07 GMT
I agree about the Ipro / Pride Park, and maybe we could follow their example in terms of pubs / bars / facilities around the ground, but in terms of access and parking surely we are shafted by our current location full stop? IMHO I just can't see how that can be improved, apart from maybe some of the park and ride ideas touted above. Don't get me wrong; at the moment, I struggle to get down to many home games, and I really look forward to coming to the Brit when I can. Realistically, I don't see us moving location either in the near / intermediate future. Genuine question, out of interest: what do you think the solution to the access is?
To be honest I think we're stuck with what we have and Moxey has a lot to answer for but filling in of at least one of the corners will show some intent to our fans.Many things can be done outside but I doubt the club see this as a priority mate Yeah. Building a new stadium is a once in a four or five generation opportunity and we royally f****d it. There are no excuses not to try and improve things though. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 12:31:04 GMT
Shelton Bar plenty of room on the old site.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 3, 2016 12:36:38 GMT
We won't build a corner on the existing ground. Whatever makes people think a new stadium is even remotely possible??? Don't see why it is not possible. The Brit was built when the club was a lot poorer. Other clubs are engaging in large investments. A new ground is a capital investment that can be depreciated over the next generation, so it does not impact immediately on the P&L account; it a question of cash flow. I don't think Bet365 is short of cash. It's a question of desire more than capability. |
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Post by KevinWhimper on Mar 3, 2016 12:37:43 GMT
I'd love to see us build a new ground, somewhere you can actually get out of, with stands big enough to fit enough people in.
But it won't happen.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Mar 3, 2016 12:48:49 GMT
We won't build a corner on the existing ground. Whatever makes people think a new stadium is even remotely possible??? Don't see why it is not possible. The Brit was built when the club was a lot poorer. Other clubs are engaging in large investments. A new ground is a capital investment that can be depreciated over the next generation, so it does not impact immediately on the P&L account; it a question of cash flow. I don't think Bet365 is short of cash. It's a question of desire more than capability. In Bet365 parlance ..... New Stadium 2000/1 New corner 50/1 Windbreaks 30/1 Proper park and ride system 20/1 |
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Mar 3, 2016 12:50:28 GMT
How about this piece of land, lower level than the Brit but could have several access points to and from the A50 & A500 for ease of congestion - not too far from where the brit is now, just a less exposed site ?? I don't know if you've noticed but they have just built a massive distribution centre on that site. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2016 13:40:07 GMT
We won't build a corner on the existing ground. Whatever makes people think a new stadium is even remotely possible??? Good question. Why the hell we haven't installed wind-breaks at least is anybody's guess.
The stadium and infrastructure and logistics nightmare is becoming an embarrassment actually. Planning permission. |
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