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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 2, 2016 9:59:50 GMT
Not the original, but in my view, the best...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 13:19:36 GMT
Mesen, I think when matter goes into a Black hole, it must go somewhere surely, so the Big Bang could be the result of that matter coming out of a Black Hole, somewhere else in the Universe. There could have been no Black Holes prior to the birth of the Universe , Black Holes are the remnants of massive stars that have turned into Supernovas .....without the Universe being created there could be no stars .
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Post by steve66 on Mar 2, 2016 13:23:48 GMT
Don't have a clue but it started 4/03/1972!
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Post by Robo10 on Mar 2, 2016 13:46:34 GMT
The answer is fairly simple...
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait... The Earth began to cool The autotrophs began to drool Neanderthals developed tools We built a wall (we built the pyramids) Math, science, history, unraveling the mystery That all started with the big bang!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 16:37:22 GMT
Don't have a clue but it started 4/03/1972! See, we don't REALLY know what happened before we were born. We don't really know if we're the only person in the world, our own God, who created this place and everything and everyone else is nothing but a figment of our imagination. Actually, I don't think its right to have imagined some of the pricks that have lived....Hitler, Mao, Piers Morgan.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 2, 2016 17:07:23 GMT
The answer is fairly simple... Our whole universe was in a hot dense state Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait... The Earth began to cool The autotrophs began to drool Neanderthals developed tools We built a wall (we built the pyramids) Math, science, history, unraveling the mystery That all started with the big bang! i'd happily give Kaley Cuoco a big bang
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Post by Northy on Mar 2, 2016 17:53:24 GMT
Don't have a clue but it started 4/03/1972! See, we don't REALLY know what happened before we were born. We don't really know if we're the only person in the world, our own God, who created this place and everything and everyone else is nothing but a figment of our imagination. Actually, I don't think its right to have imagined some of the pricks that have lived....Hitler, Mao, Piers Morgan. that's the date Stoke won the League cup
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Post by steve66 on Mar 2, 2016 18:27:05 GMT
See, we don't REALLY know what happened before we were born. We don't really know if we're the only person in the world, our own God, who created this place and everything and everyone else is nothing but a figment of our imagination. Â Actually, I don't think its right to have imagined some of the pricks that have lived....Hitler, Mao, Piers Morgan. that's the date Stoke won the League cup Correct sir, some folk are just too serious!!!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 2, 2016 18:46:36 GMT
Mesen, I think when matter goes into a Black hole, it must go somewhere surely, so the Big Bang could be the result of that matter coming out of a Black Hole, somewhere else in the Universe. There could have been no Black Holes prior to the birth of the Universe , Black Holes are the remnants of massive stars that have turned into Supernovas .....without the Universe being created there could be no stars . There are Black hole in our Universe, they could be the gateway, to a big bang in another Universe, that's what my OP was about, our Universe could have began because of a Black hole in another Universe, which was the gateway. Anywa,y I know what I mean if no one else does.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 20:56:53 GMT
There could have been no Black Holes prior to the birth of the Universe , Black Holes are the remnants of massive stars that have turned into Supernovas .....without the Universe being created there could be no stars . There are Black hole in our Universe, they could be the gateway, to a big bang in another Universe, that's what my OP was about, our Universe could have began because of a Black hole in another Universe, which was the gateway. Anywa,y I know what I mean if no one else does. It depends on your point of view mate as to the make up of the Universe ,whether it is one separate and infinite concept or one that is made up of multi Universes ....personally I'm inclined to favour the concept of just one Universe With any Black Holes that exist being part of its family any gateway through them could only lead to another part of the same universe . Any Universe given that your theory is correct. ( I'm certainly not saying it isn't ) still has to have a starting point for those Black Holes to be those gateways that you point out.
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Post by steve66 on Mar 2, 2016 22:19:00 GMT
There are Black hole in our Universe, they could be the gateway, to a big bang in another Universe, that's what my OP was about, our Universe could have began because of a Black hole in another Universe, which was the gateway. Anywa,y I know what I mean if no one else does. It depends on your point of view mate as to the make up of the Universe ,whether it is one separate and infinite concept or one that is made up of multi Universes ....personally I'm inclined to favour the concept of just one Universe With any Black Holes that exist being part of its family any gateway through them could only lead to another part of the same universe . Any Universe given that your theory is correct. ( I'm certainly not saying it isn't ) still has to have a starting point for those Black Holes to be those gateways that you point out. So it's just like the chicken/egg scenario!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 22:33:08 GMT
It depends on your point of view mate as to the make up of the Universe ,whether it is one separate and infinite concept or one that is made up of multi Universes ....personally I'm inclined to favour the concept of just one Universe With any Black Holes that exist being part of its family any gateway through them could only lead to another part of the same universe . Any Universe given that your theory is correct. ( I'm certainly not saying it isn't ) still has to have a starting point for those Black Holes to be those gateways that you point out. So it's just like the chicken/egg scenario!! That's a fair comparison perhaps ?
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Post by ryan4england on Mar 2, 2016 22:47:06 GMT
Who created the space & gases for a proposed big bang, it can't of always been there, can it? How can something of always been there? Since when? Think about it. There is one common annononoly with anything in existence, it has/had a birth date
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Post by Skankmonkey on Mar 3, 2016 10:04:50 GMT
Was it when Waddo said "Let there be Stan"?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 10:23:27 GMT
Who created the space & gases for a proposed big bang, it can't of always been there, can it? How can something of always been there? Since when? Think about it. There is one common annononoly with anything in existence, it has/had a birth date I prefer to say or what created them ? That is the question that the human mind finds difficult to answer because it's beyond its capability to comprehend it ....for us there has to be a beginning and an end to everything before we can try and get to grips with it .....what if there is such a thing as infinity with nothing beyond it ....but the question crops up ....how did infinity begin or was it always there. ? I believe that there was an event called the Big Bang that culminated in the creation of the Universe .....but as you say how and where did the elements to cause it appear from ?
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Post by ryan4england on Mar 3, 2016 10:48:38 GMT
Who created the space & gases for a proposed big bang, it can't of always been there, can it? How can something of always been there? Since when? Think about it. There is one common annononoly with anything in existence, it has/had a birth date I prefer to say or what created them ? That is the question that the human mind finds difficult to answer because it's beyond its capability to comprehend it ....for us there has to be a beginning and an end to everything before we can try and get to grips with it .....what if there is such a thing as infinity with nothing beyond it ....but the question crops up ....how did infinity begin or was it always there. ? I believe that there was an event called the Big Bang that culminated in the creation of the Universe .....but as you say how and where did the elements to cause it appear from ? We probably arn't even real we are probably computer software
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 15:00:25 GMT
I prefer to say or what created them ? That is the question that the human mind finds difficult to answer because it's beyond its capability to comprehend it ....for us there has to be a beginning and an end to everything before we can try and get to grips with it .....what if there is such a thing as infinity with nothing beyond it ....but the question crops up ....how did infinity begin or was it always there. ? I believe that there was an event called the Big Bang that culminated in the creation of the Universe .....but as you say how and where did the elements to cause it appear from ? We probably arn't even real we are probably computer software That would rattle a few cages wouldn't it ?
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 3, 2016 15:08:17 GMT
Who created the space & gases for a proposed big bang, it can't of always been there, can it? How can something of always been there? Since when? Think about it. There is one common annononoly with anything in existence, it has/had a birth date I prefer to say or what created them ? That is the question that the human mind finds difficult to answer because it's beyond its capability to comprehend it ....for us there has to be a beginning and an end to everything before we can try and get to grips with it .....what if there is such a thing as infinity with nothing beyond it ....but the question crops up ....how did infinity begin or was it always there. ? I believe that there was an event called the Big Bang that culminated in the creation of the Universe .....but as you say how and where did the elements to cause it appear from ? Get the chicken and egg situation sorted out first , how the hell can we guess if a Big Bang really happened if we can't solve the basic stuff ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 15:15:00 GMT
I prefer to say or what created them ? That is the question that the human mind finds difficult to answer because it's beyond its capability to comprehend it ....for us there has to be a beginning and an end to everything before we can try and get to grips with it .....what if there is such a thing as infinity with nothing beyond it ....but the question crops up ....how did infinity begin or was it always there. ? I believe that there was an event called the Big Bang that culminated in the creation of the Universe .....but as you say how and where did the elements to cause it appear from ? Get the chicken and egg situation sorted out first , how the hell can we guess if a Big Bang really happened if we can't solve the basic stuff ? The Chicken and the Egg is only a comparative scenario Harry .....who can really sort out which came first in this case ? As someone who dislikes eggs keep out of it anyway !
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 3, 2016 15:28:03 GMT
Get the chicken and egg situation sorted out first , how the hell can we guess if a Big Bang really happened if we can't solve the basic stuff ? The Chicken and the Egg is only a comparative scenario Harry .....who can really sort out which came first in this case ? As someone who dislikes eggs keep out of it anyway ! I read today another expert says Mars ( the planet ) had an atmosphere until 4.5 billion years ago with oceans too . And volcanic eruptions skewed the planets orbit . What a load of guesswork from some academic who has an idea that could have happened
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 15:53:12 GMT
The Chicken and the Egg is only a comparative scenario Harry .....who can really sort out which came first in this case ? As someone who dislikes eggs keep out of it anyway ! I read today another expert says Mars ( the planet ) had an atmosphere until 4.5 billion years ago with oceans too . And volcanic eruptions skewed the planets orbit . What a load of guesswork from some academic who has an idea that could have happened It would seem that Mars could have had an atmosphere .....I'm not sure it could have been similar to Earth though , regarding Oceans , but there could well have been water present at some point , there was certainly volcanic activity on Mars , whether they had a big enough effect to alter centre of gravity on Mars causing it to lose its atmosphere is debatable....but it's seems unlikely that Mars would have ever been able to support such an atmosphere as Earth 's it's far to small I think , but something pretty chatastrophic would have had to have occurred to cause its loss .....possibly a hit from an asteroid could have caused it .....it's quite likely that it's two moons Phobos and Deimos are captured asteroids due to its proximity to the Asteroid belt .so it's quite likely that a further body from the belt could have caused it .....but yes there is still lots of guess work involved .
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 3, 2016 15:58:57 GMT
Get the chicken and egg situation sorted out first , how the hell can we guess if a Big Bang really happened if we can't solve the basic stuff ? The Chicken and the Egg is only a comparative scenario Harry .....who can really sort out which came first in this case ? As someone who dislikes eggs keep out of it anyway ! eggs were around for millions of years before chickens evolved (dinosaurs couldn't do the whole live birth thing.their tits would be far too high up for the little kiddy dinosaurs to reach!) no idea why people even still ask
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 16:03:36 GMT
The Chicken and the Egg is only a comparative scenario Harry .....who can really sort out which came first in this case ? As someone who dislikes eggs keep out of it anyway ! eggs were around for millions of years before chickens evolved (dinosaurs couldn't do the whole live birth thing.their tits would be far too high up for the little kiddy dinosaurs to reach!) no idea why people even still ask Exactly ! Neither do I
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Post by mumf on Mar 3, 2016 16:09:20 GMT
I'm not sure if some posters are knowledgeable or simply very old .
I suspect it maybe the latter ....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 16:17:20 GMT
I'm not sure if some posters are knowledgeable or simply very old . I suspect it maybe the latter .... In the process of growing very old you invariably accumulate a certain amount of knowledge along the way , some of it useful , most of it less so !
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 3, 2016 16:22:57 GMT
I read today another expert says Mars ( the planet ) had an atmosphere until 4.5 billion years ago with oceans too . And volcanic eruptions skewed the planets orbit . What a load of guesswork from some academic who has an idea that could have happened It would seem that Mars could have had an atmosphere .....I'm not sure it could have been similar to Earth though , regarding Oceans , but there could well have been water present at some point , there was certainly volcanic activity on Mars , whether they had a big enough effect to alter centre of gravity on Mars causing it to lose its atmosphere is debatable....but it's seems unlikely that Mars would have ever been able to support such an atmosphere as Earth 's it's far to small I think , but something pretty chatastrophic would have had to have occurred to cause its loss .....possibly a hit from an asteroid could have caused it .....it's quite likely that it's two moons Phobos and Deimos are captured asteroids due to its proximity to the Asteroid belt .so it's quite likely that a further body from the belt could have caused it .....but yes there is still lots of guess work involved . core solidifies, loses it's magnetic field, solar wind would then blow the atmosphere away over time quite easily without the magnetic field to protect/deflect it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 16:49:56 GMT
It would seem that Mars could have had an atmosphere .....I'm not sure it could have been similar to Earth though , regarding Oceans , but there could well have been water present at some point , there was certainly volcanic activity on Mars , whether they had a big enough effect to alter centre of gravity on Mars causing it to lose its atmosphere is debatable....but it's seems unlikely that Mars would have ever been able to support such an atmosphere as Earth 's it's far to small I think , but something pretty chatastrophic would have had to have occurred to cause its loss .....possibly a hit from an asteroid could have caused it .....it's quite likely that it's two moons Phobos and Deimos are captured asteroids due to its proximity to the Asteroid belt .so it's quite likely that a further body from the belt could have caused it .....but yes there is still lots of guess work involved . core solidifies, loses it's magnetic field, solar wind would then blow the atmosphere away over time quite easily without the magnetic field to protect/deflect it Why would the core solidify so early in Mars's life though ? something had to make that occur when it did ? It should not have happened until much later on .
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 3, 2016 17:14:49 GMT
heavy bombardment (which they know did happen).
planets create mantle and stay warm due to convection from the core itself (as it happens my daughter did this just recently in geography but anyway...).
the decay of radioactive particles in the core gives off energy (heat) and that leads to the rock (molten) becoming less dense as the atoms move faster under heat and therefore basically spread apart leaving more air in the material, the material rises to the surface where it cools, sinks back down again and the cycle continues (it's how the tectonic plates move, on our planet anyway). heavy bombardment however would heat the actual mantle itself which would completely interrupt the cycle and the core would shut down as nothing would cool down to flow back down to the core to continue the cycle. after the bombardment the mantle cooled again but the core just didn't restart.
it's a widely held theory but (as mentioned above) complete guesswork at the moment along with all of the other possible theories. what is handy (in terms of plausability) is testing they have done on many craters that suffered the heavy bombardment as by examining the materials they believe it was around the time of the heavy bombardment that the magnetic field WAS lost...fits together quite nicely but by no means proven.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 17:25:25 GMT
heavy bombardment (which they know did happen). planets create mantle and stay warm due to convection from the core itself (as it happens my daughter did this just recently in geography but anyway...). the decay of radioactive particles in the core gives off energy (heat) and that leads to the rock (molten) becoming less dense as the atoms move faster under heat and therefore basically spread apart leaving more air in the material, the material rises to the surface where it cools, sinks back down again and the cycle continues (it's how the tectonic plates move, on our planet anyway). heavy bombardment however would heat the actual mantle itself which would completely interrupt the cycle and the core would shut down as nothing would cool down to flow back down to the core to continue the cycle. after the bombardment the mantle cooled again but the core just didn't restart. it's a widely held theory but (as mentioned above) complete guesswork at the moment along with all of the other possible theories. what is handy (in terms of plausability) is testing they have done on many craters that suffered the heavy bombardment as by examining the materials they believe it was around the time of the heavy bombardment that the magnetic field WAS lost...fits together quite nicely but by no means proven. Check out the big brain on Mick! You're a smart mother fucker
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 3, 2016 17:29:19 GMT
heavy bombardment (which they know did happen). planets create mantle and stay warm due to convection from the core itself (as it happens my daughter did this just recently in geography but anyway...). the decay of radioactive particles in the core gives off energy (heat) and that leads to the rock (molten) becoming less dense as the atoms move faster under heat and therefore basically spread apart leaving more air in the material, the material rises to the surface where it cools, sinks back down again and the cycle continues (it's how the tectonic plates move, on our planet anyway). heavy bombardment however would heat the actual mantle itself which would completely interrupt the cycle and the core would shut down as nothing would cool down to flow back down to the core to continue the cycle. after the bombardment the mantle cooled again but the core just didn't restart. it's a widely held theory but (as mentioned above) complete guesswork at the moment along with all of the other possible theories. what is handy (in terms of plausability) is testing they have done on many craters that suffered the heavy bombardment as by examining the materials they believe it was around the time of the heavy bombardment that the magnetic field WAS lost...fits together quite nicely but by no means proven. Check out the big brain on Mick! You're a smart mother fucker when it comes to this kind of stuff i ain't got shit on bish!!! he's the Neil Degrasse Tyson of the Oatcake i'd heard that theory before but only learned how the convection stuff actually worked about 2 weeks ago when i was helping my daughter do her geography homework and shes only 11 give me about 2 more weeks and i'll have forgotten it all completely again!
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