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Post by silverdollar on Feb 27, 2016 21:26:25 GMT
John Walters has earned his right to be a legend in the thoughts of most Stoke fans. I am an admirer of his commitment and energy on the pitch. He will run himself into the ground for the sake of the team and he occasionally scores outstanding goals. Having said all of that I do not feel he merits a place in the starting eleven even though I think his presence in the dressing room must have a tremendous value.
I have witnessed a phenomenal transformation in Stoke since Hughes became manager. He has now assembled a brilliant squad. We have Diouf, Joselu and Bojan who can play up front.
At today's game I was very surprised that Walters was selected as the front man and disappointed.
Having watched the game it only further reinforced my beliefs. Surely he cannot be selected on the basis of his physical presence alone? He continued to be caught offside on regular occasions. He is not the fastest of players! He has a canny knack of scoring an outstanding goal. Usually when he reacts by instinct but when given time on the ball he misses his chances, fails with his crosses or messes up his passes.
Surely next season Mark Hughes will finally evolve the team further and we will see much less of John Walters.
John's presence in the Stoke squad has been invaluable over how many seasons but sadly time and progress must see him go!
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 27, 2016 21:30:33 GMT
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.
At the moment my view is that any starting 11 without SJW is weaker than one with him. He ho
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Post by Theninjabadger on Feb 27, 2016 21:32:48 GMT
I think it could be argued that Jon deserved a start today. He did well against Bournemouth. But he should of been brought off earlier. He offered very little today, it was an un-Walters like performance
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 21:34:15 GMT
Diouf to start against Newcastle. If that total fuckwit Steven Taylor is playing we need pace he's garbage
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Post by nsd on Feb 27, 2016 21:34:38 GMT
I love the guy but it's often clear that he's not on the same wavelength as some of our other attacking players.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 27, 2016 21:38:10 GMT
Diouf to start against Newcastle. If that total fuckwit Steven Taylor is playing we need pace he's garbage And that festering turd Collocini, they must be tied with Villa for the most utterly inept and tragic defence in the league. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 21:39:49 GMT
Foe me SJW always gives what he has and that has been enough to keep us where we are. Some matches his style of play is what is needed , maybe not what is wished for as I'm certain we would all love to go to Barcelona and play all out attack for 90 mins winning 8 -0 but the reality is we are not good enough to go toe to toe with all teams.
So I have never thought SJW is good enough to play for Stoke in the prem , however we have never had anyone good enough and most importantly consistent enough to replace him in all the types of games we have to play.
So I say again at times for me he is a necessary evil that I will gladly endure as at least he gives his all, and to be fair that is all anyone can ask of a player.
You never know next season he might score 20 and shut us all up, that's just what he will be planning I'm sure.
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Post by mumf on Feb 27, 2016 22:00:19 GMT
From what ive seen this season and just recently , then my vote would be to make Joselu our main frontman . He looks more clinical than anyone else and deserves an extended run . Furthermore I think it would mean better continuity where it matters most and that is up front . Players around and behind him would also have a greater awareness of his positional play and runs onto through balls . Playing the likes of Walters and Diouf only serves to swap and change the system and makes for fragmented continuity . Walters is far too slow and cannot make the decisive runs required . He needs putting out to grass in Hoylake .
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Post by no1972 on Feb 27, 2016 22:00:58 GMT
I thought MH was right to make the change when he did because SJW was not having much impact even though we were two up,but after he went off there back four had it easy,it's the amout of work he does off the ball to create space for others,or winding up defenders.No other forward wins any 50/50 aerial balls or tackles.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 27, 2016 22:01:32 GMT
I like super John and he's been a fantastic servant for Stoke but today wasn't one of his best games.
That said he's been written off before and always come back.
For me he's not quite got the pace and skill to be a top player but he's got a huge heart and we will always need him when the chips are down.
That said next season I think we need to get in higher quality replacements for him and Whelan who should drop down to valuable squad members than starters.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 27, 2016 22:07:29 GMT
I like super John and he's been a fantastic servant for Stoke but today wasn't one of his best games. That said he's been written off before and always come back. For me he's not quite got the pace and skill to be a top player but he's got a huge heart and we will always need him when the chips are down. That said next season I think we need to get in higher quality replacements for him and Whelan who should drop down to valuable squad members than starters. I agree re Walters but Joselu, Diouf and particularly Bojan were worse than him when they came on and badly weakened the team. |
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 27, 2016 22:20:37 GMT
I like super John and he's been a fantastic servant for Stoke but today wasn't one of his best games. That said he's been written off before and always come back. For me he's not quite got the pace and skill to be a top player but he's got a huge heart and we will always need him when the chips are down. That said next season I think we need to get in higher quality replacements for him and Whelan who should drop down to valuable squad members than starters. I agree re Walters but Joselu, Diouf and particularly Bojan were worse than him when they came on and badly weakened the team. Jos looked OK to me but couldn't make an impact in the time he had. Affelay was outstanding and the Bojan swap weakened us. People constantly slag Walters off but he's been one of our more effective players this year. |
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Post by damagedswan on Feb 27, 2016 22:23:00 GMT
walters has also played well though this season. just like the rest of our forwards, he's been really really inconsistent.
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 27, 2016 22:36:13 GMT
How much did John cost , fantastic value for the money we paid for him
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 27, 2016 22:54:13 GMT
He was the right player for the Bournemouth game and the wrong one for today. Hughes does tend to stick with players after a win and that loyalty is generally to be commended. However, we have a large squad and we need to look at horses for courses in some games. Time for a rethink before Wednesday. I find it hard to understand why we do not utilise Diouf's pace more up top, as defenders like the lumbering Coloccini hate speedy forwards like him.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 27, 2016 22:57:17 GMT
Walters has been poor to average all season, pretty much like every front man we've tried up top.
Today he was diabolical.
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Post by march4 on Feb 27, 2016 22:59:23 GMT
SJW was easily MOM today.
As soon as he went off we collapsed and were outplayed by the worst team in the Prem for years.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Feb 27, 2016 23:01:09 GMT
I like our strikers to be concerned with scoring goals. Walters didn't look interested in scoring at all today. Joselu to start against Newcastle for me
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Post by kustokie on Feb 27, 2016 23:01:31 GMT
Diouf to start against Newcastle. If that total fuckwit Steven Taylor is playing we need pace he's garbage And that festering turd Collocini, they must be tied with Villa for the most utterly inept and tragic defence in the league. I thought Collochini was injured? |
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 27, 2016 23:01:41 GMT
He was very, very poor today.
Had one of those days that he just wanted to wrestle the opposition centre back than actually play football.
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 27, 2016 23:01:50 GMT
None of our current forwards are "the answer", which is why we bid big for Batshuayi and Berahino in January and why we will bid for them, or similar, again in the summer.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 27, 2016 23:01:56 GMT
He was in the team in merit today, after his showing at Bournemouth. I'd have brought him off for Diouf when things weren't working out.
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Post by march4 on Feb 27, 2016 23:03:06 GMT
None of our current forwards are "the answer", which is why we bid big for Batshuayi and Berahino in January and why we will bid for them, or similar, again in the summer. And until then, mate, SJW is the ONLY answer. |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Feb 27, 2016 23:07:38 GMT
Today was never going to be the right game for Walters to play.
I do believe that Jon had a role to play for us for definite. But it's absolutely when we are the underdogs and need a physical presence up front.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 27, 2016 23:09:07 GMT
Everything broke down when he got involved.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 27, 2016 23:12:06 GMT
Everything broke down when he got involved. Correct, the rest of the time he was offside. |
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Post by kustokie on Feb 27, 2016 23:13:13 GMT
How much did John cost , fantastic value for the money we paid for him What's that got to do with anything? |
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 27, 2016 23:18:17 GMT
How much did John cost , fantastic value for the money we paid for him What's that got to do with anything? I love soccer |
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 27, 2016 23:29:02 GMT
Jon's usually a bit crap against crap teams and a bit good against good teams.
He's also usually better coming back into the team than if he's been in the team for a while.
Until Joselu, Diouf or A N other show the desire Jon has to grab the shirt and hold onto it he'll play more often than he doesn't.
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Post by bogus on Feb 27, 2016 23:42:43 GMT
Opinions eh? I thought we'd have won by 3 or 4 if we hadn't made the changes so soon  |
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