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Post by geoff321 on Feb 12, 2016 22:32:26 GMT
Although Tony Waddington won the League Cup, had two F.A. Cup semi finals and two 5th place League finishes , in his 14 Division 1 seasons only finished in the top ten four times ( including those two 5th place finishes.)
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Post by salopstick on Feb 12, 2016 22:37:37 GMT
Although Tony Waddington won the League Cup, had two F.A. Cup semi finals and two 5th place League finishes , in his 14 Division 1 seasons only finished in the top ten four times ( including those two 5th place finishes.) You can only dream of being waddos No 2
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Post by salopstick on Feb 12, 2016 22:38:05 GMT
Sorry Geoff that was crass but I've been on it
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Post by geoff321 on Feb 12, 2016 22:42:18 GMT
I only make the point about Waddington salop to highlight the performance of Mark Hughes who on this thread isn't getting much of a mention, surprisingly.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 12, 2016 22:43:32 GMT
I only make the point about Waddington salop to highlight the performance of Mark Hughes who on this thread isn't getting much of a mention, surprisingly. League placing wise Mark is right up there already
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 13, 2016 0:54:05 GMT
Well for the football purist like me who likes insane all out attack with no tactics whatsoever there can only be 2 managers that come after Waddo
Richie Barker Boskamps Flaps
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 1:45:10 GMT
Well for the football purist like me who likes insane all out attack with no tactics whatsoever there can only be 2 managers that come after Waddo Richie Barker Boskamps Flaps Our club's always been doomed to failure. If it's not ridiculous bad luck like the stand blowing down, then it's having a manager like Barker who somehow stumbles upon just about the most attractive, attack-minded Stoke side of all time, but who then gets afflicted by the most extreme self-destructive insanity ever seen in a football manager. Fuckin' dick!
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Post by alster on Feb 13, 2016 8:56:09 GMT
Well for the football purist like me who likes insane all out attack with no tactics whatsoever there can only be 2 managers that come after Waddo Richie Barker Boskamps Flaps I found the approach of both those managers confusing or confused. They were certainly unpredictable periods but I don't think either were very astute as football managers. Good football is all about balance when the pendulum swings too far in either direction you see it for what it is stupidity rather than some kind of inspired genius. Stoke City has been a very difficult club to manage over most of my life as a supporter and has probably made some managers seem much worse than they were capable of being. Pulis's second period and Hughes' tenure have been a cake walk in comparison. Financial security and a supportive owner, who knows what others could have achieved given those circumstances another reason I hold Lou in such high regard.
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Post by awrypotter on Feb 13, 2016 10:09:55 GMT
I'm not sure if statistically it is always certain. As they used to say at school its like trying to add apples and oranges. How do you compare success on one division with success in another? How do you compare results in one era with those in another? How do you take account of the resources available to different managers? How do you quantify the style of football played and the feel-good factor? What about bringing in talented players such as Stein and Bojan at relatively low cost? At the end of the day I think it is largely down to opinions about who is the 'top' manager. There is no right answer.
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Post by alster on Feb 13, 2016 14:36:42 GMT
I'm not sure if statistically it is always certain. As they used to say at school its like trying to add apples and oranges. How do you compare success on one division with success in another? How do you compare results in one era with those in another? How do you take account of the resources available to different managers? How do you quantify the style of football played and the feel-good factor? What about bringing in talented players such as Stein and Bojan at relatively low cost? At the end of the day I think it is largely down to opinions about who is the 'top' manager. There is no right answer. Correct the job has at times been impossible and totally thankless, whereas recently it must be a dream. Waddo was not exactly starved of funds either. There is definitely more correlation between resources available at the time than the bloke in the hotseat. You only have to look at Peter Coates an absolute nightmare in his first tenure and a saint upon his return, same bloke only the bank balance is different.
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Post by alster on Feb 13, 2016 14:43:05 GMT
I'm not sure if statistically it is always certain. As they used to say at school its like trying to add apples and oranges. How do you compare success on one division with success in another? How do you compare results in one era with those in another? How do you take account of the resources available to different managers? How do you quantify the style of football played and the feel-good factor? What about bringing in talented players such as Stein and Bojan at relatively low cost? At the end of the day I think it is largely down to opinions about who is the 'top' manager. There is no right answer. I suppose cold hard statistics would rate the person with the highest percentage of positive outcomes (wins, draws) in the highest league to be the most successful. I totally agree that reality is never that simple, that's why I prefer to trust my eyes than the stats.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 13, 2016 20:24:52 GMT
To put it a different way, is Alex Ferguson Manchester United's best manager ever? In terms of trophies, tactics and scouting/development probably a resounding yes. Or did he simply build on the success of those who went before him and could not have created something similar at say Wimbledon? Is this debate so hotly contested because we have won so little that a manager who won one league cup and 4 top ten finishes out of umpteen seasons of trying is thought of as the most successful. For me, whoever is Stoke's current manager is the man and I am not going to wistfully wish someone from the past was at the helm. Now if we could only get Sir Alex to come out of retirement .....
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 22, 2016 6:24:42 GMT
Waddington Macari Hughes Durban
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Post by johnnypotter on Feb 22, 2016 22:59:51 GMT
1, Waddington 2, Durban 3,Hughes 4,Pulis
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 22, 2016 23:02:22 GMT
Waddo Pulis Durban Macari
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 22, 2016 23:25:46 GMT
1. McGrory - took the club to the top of English football and missed being champions by a hair's breadth at a time when the manager was more than just the coach/selector but ran virtually the whole club. 2. Waddington - took the club back to the top flight and won silverware and achieve 2 FA semis, and 2 x 5th places, and European football. 3. Pulis - took the club back to the top flight and achieved the first FA Cup final and European football. 4. Hughes - achieved 2 x 9th places in the most difficult league in the world, and assembled arguably the strongest squad in the club's history.
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