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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 13:53:01 GMT
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Post by Theninjabadger on Feb 11, 2016 19:40:27 GMT
Why does it pain people to say we were successful under Pulis? You don't have to like the bloke to admit we were unexpectedly promoted, kept up unexpectedly, turned into safe mid table side, taken to a F.A cup final and taken into Europe. Yes the football was shite and enough to put a glass eye to sleep but we were successful.
Waddington
Pulis
Hughes
Macari
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 20:26:38 GMT
Waddington
Macari
Hughes
Durban
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Post by bookofsouls23 on Feb 12, 2016 1:47:39 GMT
1 Chris kamara
2 Joe Jordan
3 mick mills
4 Alan ball
I had to think about the above but I think I'm right.
Great great managers
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Post by enuntio on Feb 12, 2016 3:37:41 GMT
1 Tony Waddington 2 Lou Macari 3 Mark Hughes 4 Tony Pulis Yes. These would be my four but maybe Hughes needs another couple or three seasons more before he should be on the list |
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Post by felonious on Feb 12, 2016 8:03:13 GMT
1= Waddington for my pleasure 1= Pulis for the pleasure he's given me through my lad and his generation for bringing and keeping top flight football in the city 3 Macari for the happy ride 4 Hughes although it's early days. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 12, 2016 8:34:41 GMT
How many people, without looking it up, know our most succesful manager in terms of win %? He did have a certain advantage over the others.
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Post by Bombus on Feb 12, 2016 9:01:16 GMT
1 TP 2 Waddo 3 McGrory 4 Durban This. I believe Mark Hughes will climb this list in time though. |
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Post by mt on Feb 12, 2016 9:07:41 GMT
1. Pulis
2. Waddington
3. McGrory
4. Macari
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Post by elystokie on Feb 12, 2016 9:42:28 GMT
Waddington Macari Hughes Durban From those who've managed in my lifetime, this. |
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Post by flinteastwood on Feb 12, 2016 9:48:37 GMT
1. Waddington
2. Pulis
3. Macari
4. Hughes
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Post by alster on Feb 12, 2016 10:07:51 GMT
How many people, without looking it up, know our most succesful manager in terms of win %? He did have a certain advantage over the others. ASA Hartford. |
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Post by alster on Feb 12, 2016 10:23:17 GMT
Why does it pain people to say we were successful under Pulis? You don't have to like the bloke to admit we were unexpectedly promoted, kept up unexpectedly, turned into safe mid table side, taken to a F.A cup final and taken into Europe. Yes the football was shite and enough to put a glass eye to sleep but we were successful. Waddington Pulis Hughes Macari It's not clear whether it's meant to be 4 most successful or favourite 4. Surely 4 most successful is statistically certain and not a matter of opinion therefore why ask it as a general question? Pulis was indeed successful but is my least favoured because I like football and he is like a footballing Antichrist. I picked the 4 who's teams I've enjoyed watching the most and the least. Durban was relatively successful too but I hated his brand of football too. I argued for years with posters who forecast oblivion if we ever despatched the capped wizzard and actually tried to compete by playing football. Thankfully they were wrong and I'm enjoying watching my team again. There are obviously some who still pine for what Pulis churned out, they must really hate the game. |
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Post by geoff321 on Feb 12, 2016 10:44:38 GMT
Had there been European competitions in the 40's Bob McGrory would have taken the club into the Champions League.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 12, 2016 13:25:26 GMT
How many people, without looking it up, know our most succesful manager in terms of win %? He did have a certain advantage over the others. ASA Hartford. Very good! |
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Post by alster on Feb 12, 2016 14:37:34 GMT
Had there been European competitions in the 40's Bob McGrory would have taken the club into the Champions League. Was he any good then? Did his team play expansive attacking football? People are posting him as one of our top four managers, they've probably just googled the clubs history. As with Waddo I'm reluctant to comment on things I've not got firsthand experience/ understanding of. Durban was the first manager of my time supporting Stoke and understanding who the manager is and what I'm watching. Previous to that I'll leave it to my Dad and long past Grandad to formulate a considered opinion. Saying that even my Dad was probably too young to know much about McGrory. Some of you must be fookin ancient. |
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Post by geoff321 on Feb 12, 2016 15:02:30 GMT
Whether a person alster has seen this managers team actually play is irrelevant, the facts and figures are in the history books for all to see.
If people for example have not seen Don Bradman batting, does that prevent them from recognising that he had the highest test batting record of all time and therfore was almost certainly the best batsmen ever?
Perhaps though you are suggesting that a team that could have won the Division 1 title on the last day of the season and contained players like Stan, Freddie Steele and Neil Franklin was likely playing poor football and being managed by a guy who wasn't that great?
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Post by roostershair on Feb 12, 2016 17:32:52 GMT
1 Tony Waddington 2 Lou Macari 3 Mark Hughes 4 Tony Pulis 1. Alan Ball 2.Chris Kamara.3. Mick Mills. 4. Bill Asprey  |
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Post by starkiller on Feb 12, 2016 17:41:27 GMT
Why do people continue to list an FA Cup final and getting into Europe as two separate achievements when the latter was achieved through the former by default?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 17:52:00 GMT
1. Tony pulis - Although i didn't enjoy alot of the football, he made our club what it is now.
2. Lou Macari - My favourite, i used to love watching stoke under lou ( i would still have him back now).
3. Mark hughes - We have enjoyed some great games under hughes and hopefully he can climb to the top one day.
4. Chris Kamara - It is laughable how bad he was, plus i don't have many others yo pick from with lou being my first.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Feb 12, 2016 17:59:10 GMT
Since I've gone
Pulis
Hughes
Macari
any of others for 4th
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Post by alster on Feb 12, 2016 18:01:54 GMT
Whether a person alster has seen this managers team actually play is irrelevant, the facts and figures are in the history books for all to see. If people for example have not seen Don Bradman batting, does that prevent them from recognising that he had the highest test batting record of all time and therfore was almost certainly the best batsmen ever? Perhaps though you are suggesting that a team that could have won the Division 1 title on the last day of the season and contained players like Stan, Freddie Steele and Neil Franklin was likely playing poor football and being managed by a guy who wasn't that great? Never saw Bradman so don't form an opinion based on figures and stats that's how I work. If I want to know how my teams playing I judge what I see with my own eyes not look in the Sunday papers at the results and league tables. Maradonna is the best player I've ever seen, I saw his talent and effect on games from whole games not clips and against opposition that I understood the quality of. Not saying no ones ever been better but I've never seen anyone better in a way that would allow me to have an informed opinion so if you asked me who was the best ever footballer he'd be the answer I'd give. If you asked me who was the best sword fighter I'd probably say Erroll Flynn maybe shows my lack of knowledge of swordfighting but its better than saying somebody you told me to say because you'd read it on wikipedia. |
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Post by geoff321 on Feb 12, 2016 18:10:58 GMT
If you ignore the stats then you are taking a subjective view which is fair enough but unlikely to give you the most accurate result.
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Post by alster on Feb 12, 2016 18:21:54 GMT
If you ignore the stats then you are taking a subjective view which is fair enough but unlikely to give you the most accurate result. I prefer to always ignore the stats, they can give the appearance of all being well when simply opening your eyes and trusting your own judgement can show you it obviously isn't. And likewise the stats and tables can have you knickerwetting after six games and no wins when if you just watch the football you know things will be fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 19:37:33 GMT
Someone asked this same question a few months back. "Asa Hartford" I replied, feeling quite smug at being clevererer than anyone else. I was shot down on the basis that Asa hadn't been in charge long enough for it to count. Feeling well miffed now.  |
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 12, 2016 20:56:07 GMT
Someone asked this same question a few months back. "Asa Hartford" I replied, feeling quite smug at being clevererer than anyone else. I was shot down on the basis that Asa hadn't been in charge long enough for it to count. Feeling well miffed now. The 'real' answer is Alfred Barker, who did 200+ games with the club at a particularly low ebb. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 21:17:26 GMT
Someone asked this same question a few months back. "Asa Hartford" I replied, feeling quite smug at being clevererer than anyone else. I was shot down on the basis that Asa hadn't been in charge long enough for it to count. Feeling well miffed now. The 'real' answer is Alfred Barker, who did 200+ games with the club at a particularly low ebb. Why is it always wrong when I say it's Asa Hartford?  I thought the 'right' answer last time was Gudjon. Not that I'm interested, cos it's f#@kin' ASA HARTFORD anyway!!!   |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 12, 2016 21:23:22 GMT
Favourite can be for a variety of reasons and personal and obviously has to be in your lifetime and experience;
In my lifetime
Macari (just the best time to be a Stokie as a late teen/early 20s lad. From being dead in the water to anything being possible and the club totally alight again)
Pulis (4th May 2008, 17th April 2011 and other phenomenal occasions. Whatever you thought about the football there really were some absolutely mammoth days)
Hughes (There's making it to the top level and really competing and being a force and he's taken it to a level we were led to believe wasn't possible)
Mills (A strange one for some but I thought his first season is totally underrated and that brief period in 87 he created a phenomenal outfit)
Best manager is still down to judgement but you can go into era's you haven't seen. I'd go
Waddington (imagine Stoke being the nations footballing darlings)
McGrory (two champions league finishes effectively)
Pulis and Hughes (too emotive to choose one outright and wouldn’t argue with anyone about one being above the other. As soon as we get to a final or get into Europe, Hughes goes in front of Tone)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 22:01:12 GMT
I always think Durban is undervalued. He took over in mid season when the club was dropping like a stone in the old (proper) 2nd division.
It was well known that there was a lack of discipline in the club. Durban sorted that straight away and had an instant impact on results. We were near the bottom when he turned up and I think we finished the season in 6th.
He took us up the following season, and quickly established us in the 1st division.
I think most supporters were gutted when he left. Another Stoke manager who's career never recovered from taking on the Sunderland job.
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 12, 2016 22:19:41 GMT
Waddo, Tp, Macari, Hughes. Hard to argue that imo.
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