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Post by tuum on Feb 8, 2016 12:10:34 GMT
In terms of how we play, we just have to remain patient and keep passing the ball the way we're doing. That's the most simple method. There needs to be a little bit more directness from the wide areas and a few more players willing to pop off a shot or 2 but, other than that, we're not doing a lot wrong with how we play IMO. Our problems are at the back and not only because of Shawcross being out either. We don't win first balls, we don't press enough, we are dragged all over the pitch, we are not strong enough in the tackles and let too many strikers hold up the ball to play where ever they choose. Jack Butland is a fantastic 'keeper but we don't half make him look great at times. He shouldn't even have to save half of what he does. Back to basics is an understatement but they are things that can be rectified fairly easily. Our problem is up front scoring goals and it has been all season. We have only been shit defensively since Leicester away give or take a couple of games.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 12:14:00 GMT
Someone who can shoot from distance would help , like Charli (but better)
This chap looks good at it =)
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Post by liamo on Feb 8, 2016 12:19:38 GMT
Currently our midfield is too static, they move up the pitch so we're exposed at the back but don't move around enough to be useful up the pitch, it's a lose lose
We need to move the ball quickly and get the game changers on the ball in good areas, when it comes to attack we're just too slow moving the ball around, even the shittest defenders in the league can get in to a defensive set up and watch us pass the ball around in front of them with no danger of us ever scoring
Simply put, we're far too easy to defend against because everything we do is in front of the opposition
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Feb 8, 2016 12:24:53 GMT
Bournemouth is our next game. They like to keep the ball (they just out-possessed Arsenal yesterday) which is good news for us but I get this awful feeling that Eddie Howe will knowingly set his side up to sit back & hit us on the break. Well if that's the case, False 9 seems to be the best option. What do you say? Did you see the MOTD analysis of how Arsenal changed their tactics to beat Bournemouths "high pressing" game ? Very interesting and it worked. Basically though you win by playing effective football and getting shots on target. Your best players have to perform.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 8, 2016 12:32:27 GMT
Option 1. Charlie Adam behind Bojan in the false number 9. Option 2. Tell the wingers to stay on the bastard wing, get some decent crosses in and let Diouf or Joselu compete. Sick of seeing our fullbacks with the ball and no option down the line as Arnie and Shaqiri and basically playing centre midfield
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Post by maliciousdamage on Feb 8, 2016 12:39:00 GMT
1.Pace. 2. Don't be scared of long ball when appropriate. 3. Don't concede first 4. try taking full backs on and getting the ball in the box more
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Post by Bick on Feb 8, 2016 12:45:25 GMT
Typically this is the best way- to absolutely hammer them in the early stages - not allowing them to counter attack and grab a goal. They will be forced to have more possession and take the game to us, meaning that we can sit back more and actually counter attack on them. If they counter AND get an early goal... we're in trouble.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 8, 2016 12:45:44 GMT
1 Set pieces 2 Launching the ball 80 yards at every single opportunity. 3. re-signing Rory Delap 4. Play for throw ins
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Post by adamsson on Feb 8, 2016 12:56:18 GMT
1) Accept there is no easy answer teams play this way because it works, even Barcelona can struggle against this tactic.
2) Defend properly, do not concede first. The longer it stays nil-nil the harder it is to keep up the sit back and hit them on the break tactics also tried players make mistakes. Be patient, keep the ball and try and keep it moving hoping to pull them out of position.
3) You will need to just pass the ball around to keep possession and it will get boring, be patient. Also they will press higher up the pitch to try and force mistakes don't make them the high pressing game is very tiring and few can keep it up all game the faster you move the ball and more movement of the ball you have the hard it gets for them.
4) When you get a chance take it quickly and stay on side.
5) Set pieces it allowed to score from these we really should try it.
6) Really important one. Don't have lots of tired players carrying injuries or not fully match fit, they are trying to make it hard work if your players can't keep up the work and can't change pace suddenly you will struggle
I think what we need to do next couple of games is just concentrate on keeping a clean sheet Bournemouth are at home and will need to show some attacking intent and they aren't set up to play defensively. Villa need wins draws are no use to them keep it nil-nil and they have to throw men forwards will get chances eventually and even if we end with two nil-nil bore draws that will be fine.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 8, 2016 13:22:34 GMT
Try and score from outside the penalty area.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 8, 2016 13:26:29 GMT
Don't allow the defensive line to drift too high, especially when cb's are slow
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Post by redstriper on Feb 8, 2016 13:57:25 GMT
I doubt this seasons trends have gone un-noticed by those paid to analyse, but its reached epic proportions now, leicesters success is influencing other teams and nobody has the answer
This weekend the teams with the majority of the possession were:-
stoke 65.5 lost 3-0 bournmouth 50.7 lost 2-0 man utd 50.7 drew 1-1 man city 65.9 lost 1-3 Norwich 51.3 lost 2-0 Liverpool 71.3 drew 2-2 west ham 64.8 lost 1-0 spurs 65.9 won 1-0 Swansea 58.4 drew 1-1 Newcastle 68.9 won 1-0
So teams with the majority of the play p 10 w 2 d 3 lost 5 pts 7 v 18 - and more tellingly for 7 against 15 goals wise, with only Liverpool even managing to even score twice!
We've changed our style to keep ball at the very time it is least effective.
But lets keep the faith, as the weather improves and the pitches dry out, I expect our continentals to come through.
It would be fascinating to see Leicester play barca next season. So I hope they hang on in there.
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Post by mowcoppotter1 on Feb 8, 2016 14:26:05 GMT
What about this team when all are fit.
Butland Johnson. shawx. Wolly pieters
Imbula. Whelan Ireland Shaqiri. Arnie Bojan
Play false nine tactics. I thought Ireland looked good when he came on and one thing he does well is link the play, he looks forward which is the main problem. We are just too slow at moving the ball. Also everyone takes the easy pass all the time nobody takes any risks with the ball.
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Post by chrisparker on Feb 8, 2016 14:50:36 GMT
Option 1. Charlie Adam behind Bojan in the false number 9. Option 2. Tell the wingers to stay on the bastard wing, get some decent crosses in and let Diouf or Joselu compete. Sick of seeing our fullbacks with the ball and no option down the line as Arnie and Shaqiri and basically playing centre midfield I'm not sure Adam is fit.
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Post by chrisparker on Feb 8, 2016 14:54:27 GMT
What about this team when all are fit. Butland Johnson. shawx. Wolly pieters Imbula. Whelan Ireland Shaqiri. Arnie Bojan Play false nine tactics. I thought Ireland looked good when he came on and one thing he does well is link the play, he looks forward which is the main problem. We are just too slow at moving the ball. Also everyone takes the easy pass all the time nobody takes any risks with the ball. Yes this is exactly the team I was going to suggest. We need Whelan's discipline & work ethic away from home & Ireland has looked like our most creative player in the last 3 games.
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 8, 2016 15:04:56 GMT
Fast movement of the ball, fast tricky forwards who can run at and beat a man, decent delivery from out wide for a physical, pacey target man, better long range shooting, patience in keeping going with your game plan, solid defence who can handle opposition's fast breaks.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Feb 8, 2016 16:23:59 GMT
Move the ball quickly and often long diagonal's from one flank to the other will catch a lot of sides out, even the counter attacking sides. We hamstring ourselves though by playing wingers on their opposite flanks and using the full backs for width. It creates a very slow build up and kills you dead before you start. It's all easier said than done though because it relies, like most tactical systems, on a lot of players being on their game - something we haven't had for weeks in the league. this especially the long diagonals, or cross field passes part. Causes the entire defense to shift, and that's when our players get open.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 16:35:05 GMT
Width, pace, and constant off-the-ball movement?
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Post by vahl on Feb 8, 2016 17:28:22 GMT
In terms of how we play, we just have to remain patient and keep passing the ball the way we're doing. That's the most simple method. There needs to be a little bit more directness from the wide areas and a few more players willing to pop off a shot or 2 but, other than that, we're not doing a lot wrong with how we play IMO. Our problems are at the back and not only because of Shawcross being out either. We don't win first balls, we don't press enough, we are dragged all over the pitch, we are not strong enough in the tackles and let too many strikers hold up the ball to play where ever they choose. Jack Butland is a fantastic 'keeper but we don't half make him look great at times. He shouldn't even have to save half of what he does. Back to basics is an understatement but they are things that can be rectified fairly easily. Our problem is up front scoring goals and it has been all season. We have only been shit defensively since Leicester away give or take a couple of games. We've been lacking goals but if you keep the other end quiet, it will come. We had a period where we were looking really strong defensively this season but there have been problems on and off for a while for me. It doesn't matter if you're Real Madrid, Stoke City or Mansfield Town - if you play the same way we're trying to, you have to be solid at the back. We're leaving 2v2's at half way regularly and missing first balls whilst being 2nd best in physical battles at the worst times you could possibly do it. When any opposition wide players cross the ball I'm cringing unless Butland is on the end of it. Luckily form is temporary and we will soon be back amongst it, I'm sure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 17:41:34 GMT
"False nine" ........Seems to be the in phrase of the season, even hear it from pundits. What does it mean? It is complete bollocks and harks back to the time Spain played with six midfielders with Fabregas up front. We are not Spain, we are not Barcelona. It makes us look pretty stupid. We're playing more like The Baggies under Ardiles or Mowbray. A proper centre forward please, preferably Diouf with Arnie and Shaqiri out wide.( No fannying around boys,take your man on and fire in crosses and shots) Bojan in behind (Move it quicker and stop thinking you are Lionel Messi) Imbula joining in around the edge of the box. Stop this tippy tippy crap and be more direct and that doesn't mean hoofing it. Quick sharp passing which is exactly how we played at the end of Hughess first season in charge with Odemwingie up front. Let's confine the false 9 to a draw that says Total Pretentious Bollocks on it.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 8, 2016 17:44:20 GMT
Score the 1st goal in the game and we'll not lose very often FACT
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Post by chrispk76 on Feb 8, 2016 20:30:10 GMT
In terms of how we play, we just have to remain patient and keep passing the ball the way we're doing. That's the most simple method. There needs to be a little bit more directness from the wide areas and a few more players willing to pop off a shot or 2 but, other than that, we're not doing a lot wrong with how we play IMO. Our problems are at the back and not only because of Shawcross being out either. We don't win first balls, we don't press enough, we are dragged all over the pitch, we are not strong enough in the tackles and let too many strikers hold up the ball to play where ever they choose. Jack Butland is a fantastic 'keeper but we don't half make him look great at times. He shouldn't even have to save half of what he does. Back to basics is an understatement but they are things that can be rectified fairly easily. Our problem is up front scoring goals and it has been all season. We have only been shit defensively since Leicester away give or take a couple of games. Butland Johnson shawx wolly pieters Shaq whelan imbula arnie bojan Joselu **When fit It should be up to the "left & right mids" to provide width , the full backs pressing as high as they constantly do is leaving us wide open to counter attacks . As we currently play , Shaq and arnie are pushing into centre attacking roles leaving the full backs exposed as they try to provide the width, this in turn means our centre halves get dragged out from the middle where they should be . I honestly believe 2 "forwards" would make a huge difference as it gives our midfielders a minimum of 2 options to give the ball to. Yes I know football has changed but the partnerships of Sutton:shearer , Cole:Yorke, Beardsley:lineker , Henry:bergkamp , vialli:Mancini , rush:dalglish , keegan:toshack even Sturridge:Suarez . Except for the shearer:Sutton partnership there is a bojan type forward that links well with a finisher. From my memory Joselu hasn't missed many chances so give him a run with bojan buzzing around him, give our wide mids a target with Joselu and see how we go on
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Post by MooG on Feb 9, 2016 22:06:32 GMT
Well from our time on the other side of the equation it's tricky to break down a well drilled side.
The best way is having some superstar who can beat a couple of men and smash it home; short of that, the teams I always used to fear were those that moved the ball around quickly and had somebody that could take a good free kick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 22:13:31 GMT
Patient football. Keep the ball, frustrate your opponent and work the opening. If the opposition haven't got the ball they can't break and score. It sounds so simple but when your defence and midfield give it away so simply then you get hurt. For example look back at Whelan and wally saturday
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 9, 2016 22:31:20 GMT
Fluidity and cohesion in the penno box. Also good long shots.
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Post by jarhead on Feb 9, 2016 22:43:23 GMT
Patient football. Keep the ball, frustrate your opponent and work the opening. If the opposition haven't got the ball they can't break and score. It sounds so simple but when your defence and midfield give it away so simply then you get hurt. For example look back at Whelan and wally saturday Correct Clyde and Whelan has been shocking lately but with Imbula and hopefully Cameron fit soon then Glenn needs a break as we need a change in the middle for sure.
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 9, 2016 22:46:10 GMT
For me it isn't so much about possession but control. Usually, when fit we can rely on our back four and keeper. We have a quick attack force and players who can create. The problem lies in midfield, we need to control that and allow our attack to move forward rather have to come back fetching the ball or playing last ditch defence. Control the midfield, allow and require the attackers to be mobile and deliver the ball into spaces for them to run onto.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 9, 2016 22:58:06 GMT
Have players brave enough to run at the opposition and take them on Effective set plays. Ability to shoot from distance Early crosses before defenders are settled Pace A good quality finisher
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Post by chrisparker on Feb 15, 2016 20:55:50 GMT
Time to resurrect this post from the grave. We shouldn't underestimate Villa. They're a poor side but that's exactly the sort of team against whom we seem to struggle.
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 15, 2016 20:59:22 GMT
You change tactics and either A) play a big striker and bombard them with long balls, or B) change formation altogether to say a proper 442 with 2 strikers and get crosses in from wide
Counter attacking is just the new en vogue style, but its not new!
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