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Feb 20, 2016 16:17:47 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 20, 2016 16:17:47 GMT
Interesting to see how Koeman has used the 3-5-2 to arrest Southampton's decline and turn their season around. Given that they've not conceded for over nine hours of football it belies the idea that such a system leaves a team exposed. Similarly Saints have scored eleven goals from headers, an indication perhaps that the system enables you to get more bodies in the opposition box. I'll be keeping an eye on how Championship high flyers Hull get on against Arsenal today. Brucie's still a fan of 3-5-2. {And he's playing Harry Maguire today too}. I reckon we'll start to see more use of this system to counter the current obsession with counter attacking football. Not sure with Johnson's injury and Hughes' preference for inverted wingers that we'll give it a go, but I do think it would offer a viable option when trying to break down the more resolute. For better finishing they'd have got beat. It allowed too many gaps back there.
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Feb 20, 2016 16:25:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 16:25:33 GMT
With Shawcross back in the team that will make us more solid, I'm just looking for a way for us to score some bloody goals. I do think Geoff gives us the mix of dynamism, athleticism and the bit of steel we need though really. Tell you who I'd love, Besic at Everton. Boss player him. See where you're coming from though, I think Imbula will prove to be instrumental in a midfield 2. Every time I've seen that Besic play he's looked brilliant, I can't understand why he doesn't get more game time for Everton.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 20, 2016 16:34:27 GMT
Invert the pyramid back again. Butland Shawcross Wollscheid Shaqiri Imbula Arnautovic Joselu Diouf Bojan Crouch Walters
I'd prefer that to 352, personally speaking. We've tended to try this for the last 15 minutes of each game Boother and it hasn't particularly worked.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 20, 2016 16:36:58 GMT
Fuck me Wollscheid in a 3! No thanks. Not an issue for me, in fact any lack of pace could be better accommodated in a 3 imo. Hypothetical of course, but that would be the least of the worries.
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3-5-2
Feb 20, 2016 16:42:19 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 20, 2016 16:42:19 GMT
Interesting to see how Koeman has used the 3-5-2 to arrest Southampton's decline and turn their season around. Given that they've not conceded for over nine hours of football it belies the idea that such a system leaves a team exposed. Similarly Saints have scored eleven goals from headers, an indication perhaps that the system enables you to get more bodies in the opposition box. I'll be keeping an eye on how Championship high flyers Hull get on against Arsenal today. Brucie's still a fan of 3-5-2. {And he's playing Harry Maguire today too}. I reckon we'll start to see more use of this system to counter the current obsession with counter attacking football. Not sure with Johnson's injury and Hughes' preference for inverted wingers that we'll give it a go, but I do think it would offer a viable option when trying to break down the more resolute. For better finishing they'd have got beat. It allowed too many gaps back there. But they earned a replay back at the KC against the holders, Prem front runners. How do you know what the score would have been if Brucie hadn't gone with the wing backs? we dunner. I only listened to it, but they were full of praise for Hull's midfield and defence, it sounded like the issue was more a lack of effective outlet. Did you watch it BO? just curious how Harry Maguire is looking these days, I thought he was a proper prospect.
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3-5-2
Feb 20, 2016 16:47:52 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 16:47:52 GMT
I do think Geoff gives us the mix of dynamism, athleticism and the bit of steel we need though really. Tell you who I'd love, Besic at Everton. Boss player him. See where you're coming from though, I think Imbula will prove to be instrumental in a midfield 2. Every time I've seen that Besic play he's looked brilliant, I can't understand why he doesn't get more game time for Everton. He's young too you know, feel like he'd be an immense Whelan replacement personally. Tackles bloody hard too.
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3-5-2
Feb 20, 2016 16:48:51 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 20, 2016 16:48:51 GMT
For better finishing they'd have got beat. It allowed too many gaps back there. But they earned a replay back at the KC against the holders, Prem front runners. How do you know what the score would have been if Brucie hadn't gone with the wing backs? we dunner. I only listened to it, but they were full of praise for Hull's midfield and defence, it sounded like the issue was more a lack of effective outlet. Did you watch it BO? just curious how Harry Maguire is looking these days, I thought he was a proper prospect. Which neither side wanted. They defended well but it was down to bad finishing really. The keeper played well but it was comfortable. He did well, got pulled out of position once or twice but that's to be expected against them.
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Feb 20, 2016 17:06:11 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 20, 2016 17:06:11 GMT
Who is Harry McGuire?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 17:08:12 GMT
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3-5-2
Feb 20, 2016 17:40:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 17:40:11 GMT
Every time I've seen that Besic play he's looked brilliant, I can't understand why he doesn't get more game time for Everton. He's young too you know, feel like he'd be an immense Whelan replacement personally. Tackles bloody hard too. Besic alongside Imbula in midfield? You'd take that all day long.
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Post by nutterpotter on Feb 20, 2016 17:42:38 GMT
Hasn't Besic had some injury problems?
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Feb 20, 2016 17:45:13 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 20, 2016 17:45:13 GMT
Hasn't Besic had some injury problems? And he's prone to the odd brain fart.
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Feb 20, 2016 18:29:46 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 20, 2016 18:29:46 GMT
Saw him play a couple of times for Sheff Utd and was really impressed with him. Big, steady commanding Ryan-style lad. Think he was 19 then too. He moved to Hull but seemed to fall out of favour in the Bruce set up, I was surprised no one went in for him {us} in the last couple of windows. Nice to see him getting a chance again, and that he seems to have adapted to their system. I'd not paid much attention for a while until I heard his name on the team sheet today on the radio. I'll make a bit more effort to keep an ear out for him again.
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Feb 20, 2016 18:32:32 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 20, 2016 18:32:32 GMT
Did you watch it BO? just curious how Harry Maguire is looking these days, I thought he was a proper prospect. He did well, got pulled out of position once or twice but that's to be expected against them. That's encouraging for him then, especially with all those gaps at the back.
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Feb 20, 2016 18:42:53 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 20, 2016 18:42:53 GMT
He did well, got pulled out of position once or twice but that's to be expected against them. That's encouraging for him then, especially with all those gaps at the back. Curtis Davies was the main one. He was getting pulled everywhere. And they had nothing going forward. Again down to the system.
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3-5-2
Feb 20, 2016 18:47:53 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 20, 2016 18:47:53 GMT
That's encouraging for him then, especially with all those gaps at the back. Curtis Davies was the main one. He was getting pulled everywhere. And they had nothing going forward. Again down to the system. Not sure mate I was only listening, but at one stage he brought a recognised right back on to play left wing back. Was it the system, or the players and their execution of it going forward? A bit immaterial really given the result. Whichever way you cut it I can't really knock a 0-0 at the Emirates, {for a Champ side}.
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Feb 20, 2016 20:02:52 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 20, 2016 20:02:52 GMT
Curtis Davies was the main one. He was getting pulled everywhere. And they had nothing going forward. Again down to the system. Not sure mate I was only listening, but at one stage he brought a recognised right back on to play left wing back. Was it the system, or the players and their execution of it going forward? A bit immaterial really given the result. Whichever way you cut it I can't really knock a 0-0 at the Emirates, {for a Champ side}. The young left back played well.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:13:47 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 20, 2016 21:13:47 GMT
Not sure mate I was only listening, but at one stage he brought a recognised right back on to play left wing back. Was it the system, or the players and their execution of it going forward? A bit immaterial really given the result. Whichever way you cut it I can't really knock a 0-0 at the Emirates, {for a Champ side}. The young left back played well. Only 16 apparently, didn't catch his name, did you? worth remembering? Hull made 10 changes for the game apparently.
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Feb 21, 2016 1:00:38 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2016 1:00:38 GMT
The young left back played well. Only 16 apparently, didn't catch his name, did you? worth remembering? Hull made 10 changes for the game apparently. I can't remember it tbh but he played well. No idea why he was subbed tbh.
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Feb 21, 2016 1:31:46 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 21, 2016 1:31:46 GMT
Only 16 apparently, didn't catch his name, did you? worth remembering? Hull made 10 changes for the game apparently. I can't remember it tbh but he played well. No idea why he was subbed tbh. Maybe a touch of nepotism? Make a bit of room for Alex. Only joking, perhaps he was bolloxed. Dunno.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 6:38:27 GMT
The young left back played well. Only 16 apparently, didn't catch his name, did you? worth remembering? Hull made 10 changes for the game apparently. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Tymon
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Apr 27, 2016 21:37:34 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 27, 2016 21:37:34 GMT
Leicester and Southampton adopted it to arrest slumps. Finish these last few games with a flourish {again}. Telford for Bojan and Walters for Diouf on 66"....... --------------------Haugaard------------------- -----------Cameron Wollscheid Pieters---------- -----------------Whelan Muniesa---------------- --------Diouf------- Imbula------ Arnautovic-- ------------------Bojan Joselu---------------- We'll be with you.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 27, 2016 21:43:31 GMT
West Ham used it against Arsenal and it went so badly they had to ditch it at half time.
Haven't Southampton stopped using it already and Leicester haven't used it all season...
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Apr 27, 2016 21:48:28 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 27, 2016 21:48:28 GMT
There are no systems. Only players.
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Apr 27, 2016 22:23:33 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 27, 2016 22:23:33 GMT
West Ham used it against Arsenal and it went so badly they had to ditch it at half time. Haven't Southampton stopped using it already and Leicester haven't used it all season... Yes it's easy to re arrange it if it doesn't look like it's working. It's always more about players and their energy etc, like JoeinOz says. But without going through all the convoluted ins and outs, with our available players and on the back of these defeats I reckon it'd suit us and the personnel better than what we've been doing. And at home at this stage I'd like to see more gung ho in this one. It's not the 'be all', use it for a few games, pull it out of the bag now and then. Neither Leicester nor Southampton are using it much now. But they did, and it was coincidental with their upturns. Perhaps it left a lasting impression on their full backs, and throughout the squad, back to basics which has reaped longer term rewards. A deep disciplined defence, the ability to put numbers in midfield or drop back, wing backs with more freedom going forward, two up front. etc. Just a suggestion.
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Apr 27, 2016 22:25:57 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 27, 2016 22:25:57 GMT
There are no systems. Only players. It's a lovely idea Joe, but a bag of bollox. It's a team game.
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Apr 27, 2016 22:26:59 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Apr 27, 2016 22:26:59 GMT
5 is simply not a number that belongs in football formations. I'm sure we played a 6 under pulis away to the top 4 teams
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Apr 27, 2016 22:31:40 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 27, 2016 22:31:40 GMT
There are no systems. Only players. It's a lovely idea Joe, but a bag of bollox. It's a team game. A team game determined by....players.
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Apr 27, 2016 22:36:00 GMT
Post by mcf on Apr 27, 2016 22:36:00 GMT
352, 532, 523....whatever version has generally been shite for us as a club as a whole.
I think it stemmed the flow for Macari when he came in for a while but that is only until we got sorted if my memory serves me correctly.
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Apr 27, 2016 22:38:51 GMT
Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 27, 2016 22:38:51 GMT
It's a lovely idea Joe, but a bag of bollox. It's a team game. A team game determined by....players. Ok Ok. We may descend into pedantry. But you must concede that even the bestest players require some instruction, structure to work their magic within. It's far from kick and dribble. Even with the best players. A bit daft not to acknowledge the importance of systems in football. They all require movement and some flexibility, but you can tell a set up when you're watching a match.
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