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Post by desman2 on Jun 26, 2016 22:56:43 GMT
Salmond "out voters aren't racist... they're just stupid plebs who were hoodwinked by a slogan on a bus" And his followers have been hoodwinked by his succesor as has been demonstrated by the EU itself
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 23:01:40 GMT
So, one or two people have responded to my assertion that the young have been shafted by their elders. Firstly, and I have already said this, if young people failed to vote, it is their own fault, and nobody else. I agree. I wonder how many of us at 25 year old would have found time to vote, if there were other distractions available. The young can be naïve, it comes with being young. But one day they may pay your pension, so don't be too hard on them. Secondly, and in my opinion, they have been shafted by this result. Their life opportunities and their travel opportunities will be unlikely to be as good as we have enjoyed. They may face restrictions, we didn't. We don't know yet, we truly don't. We have all been allowed to travel without a visa within the EU. They may or may not be able to. We have been able to travel through the Open Skies policy, which has brought down fares and opened up routes. The Open Skies policy could end. There are other examples. We have enjoyed such benefits ourselves, now we may end up denying them to the next generation. That is being shafted. Thirdly, anyone under 35 has been brought up to be aware of the E.U. They have studied it, they have seen it on the news, they have been encouraged to see it as part and parcel of international friendship and co-operation. Its not really surprising that many of them have a generally positive and favourable view of it. They seem to have had the intelligence to see the scare stories about the EU for what they really were. If I could choose between the EU and the British monarchy, I know which one I would remove from my life. I for one would never turn my back on our royal family. I am not a royalist, but a part of me feels they are part of being british. They have been part of our history for so long, and despite not having a bigger role when it comes to making decisions for our country, they are a symbol and something we should feel very proud of.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 23:03:08 GMT
Oh and btw 4372, you have expressed dissatisfaction towards the monarchy and the house of lord yet are here staunchly defending the EU. Here's a thought for you, the monarchy and the house of lords have very little power. If they had a large amount, you'd probably love them. Seeing as you're (supposedly) so intelligent I'll leave it to you to figure out what I'm insinuating there but you'll surely get it wrong.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 26, 2016 23:04:57 GMT
That isn't going to fly but I wonder if 6 months down the track just before we initiate Treaty 50 and Jean-Claude Juncker puts his foot firmly up our jacksy to send us on our way we could/should ask the good people the question: 'Now you've had a chance to take look at the new house Boris and Michael sold you just circling back round with you one final time before we cash your cheque?'. It would be a bit like one of those cancellation clauses you can invoke when you realise you made a howler buying that timeshare from the salesmen on a balmy night in Marbella. No one would be scared of one final check would they so it would just be a bit of belt and braces? Attachment DeletedAnd here is yours duck wear it with pride LOSER. dry your eyes mate now do one.
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Post by 4372 on Jun 26, 2016 23:05:44 GMT
Thank you for your response desman 2. I have read it, and may respond tomorrow. You see the EU as a full blown political machine, the monarchy is not. I have definitely benefitted more from having the EU in my life than I have from the monarchy, I know that much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 23:06:54 GMT
That isn't going to fly but I wonder if 6 months down the track just before we initiate Treaty 50 and Jean-Claude Juncker puts his foot firmly up our jacksy to send us on our way we could/should ask the good people the question: 'Now you've had a chance to take look at the new house Boris and Michael sold you just circling back round with you one final time before we cash your cheque?'. It would be a bit like one of those cancellation clauses you can invoke when you realise you made a howler buying that timeshare from the salesmen on a balmy night in Marbella. No one would be scared of one final check would they so it would just be a bit of belt and braces and we owe ourselves that with a decision of this magnitude? I take it you didn't vote out then ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 23:08:01 GMT
I don't think we should have a royal family but seeing as they have so little power and bring in tourist money then I don't really give a shit. People trying to throw the monarchy in our face, as if they making some profound point that is going to suddenly awaken us from this slumber we must be in, are utterly ridiculous and so transparently desperate to claw some measly crumbs of consolation from the plate of a cake that has long since been devoured.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 26, 2016 23:11:07 GMT
That isn't going to fly but I wonder if 6 months down the track just before we initiate Treaty 50 and Jean-Claude Juncker puts his foot firmly up our jacksy to send us on our way we could/should ask the good people the question: 'Now you've had a chance to take look at the new house Boris and Michael sold you just circling back round with you one final time before we cash your cheque?'. It would be a bit like one of those cancellation clauses you can invoke when you realise you made a howler buying that timeshare from the salesmen on a balmy night in Marbella. No one would be scared of one final check would they so it would just be a bit of belt and braces and we owe ourselves that with a decision of this magnitude? I take it you didn't vote out then ? I think you may be correct Bish, some very poor losers on here very un British never mind they will have their opportunity in 40 years as we did
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Post by serpico on Jun 26, 2016 23:16:41 GMT
I don't think we should have a royal family but seeing as they have so little power and bring in tourist money then I don't really give a shit. People trying to throw the monarchy in our face, as if they making some profound point that is going to suddenly awaken us from this slumber we must be in, are utterly ridiculous and so transparently desperate to claw some measly crumbs of consolation from the plate of a cake that has long since been devoured. next for the chopping bloc is the house of lords, i'd like to see the royal family abolished but if the people are happy to have them as a tourist attraction i'm ok with that.
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Post by Gods on Jun 26, 2016 23:17:52 GMT
That isn't going to fly but I wonder if 6 months down the track just before we initiate Treaty 50 and Jean-Claude Juncker puts his foot firmly up our jacksy to send us on our way we could/should ask the good people the question: 'Now you've had a chance to take look at the new house Boris and Michael sold you just circling back round with you one final time before we cash your cheque?'. It would be a bit like one of those cancellation clauses you can invoke when you realise you made a howler buying that timeshare from the salesmen on a balmy night in Marbella. No one would be scared of one final check would they so it would just be a bit of belt and braces and we owe ourselves that with a decision of this magnitude? I take it you didn't vote out then ? I didn't vote at all in fact Bisp. I was flying back from Berlin on Thursday and the flight which was supposed to get in at 7:20pm was 3 hours delayed and with that went one all important remain vote
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 23:21:20 GMT
I don't think we should have a royal family but seeing as they have so little power and bring in tourist money then I don't really give a shit. People trying to throw the monarchy in our face, as if they making some profound point that is going to suddenly awaken us from this slumber we must be in, are utterly ridiculous and so transparently desperate to claw some measly crumbs of consolation from the plate of a cake that has long since been devoured. next for the chopping bloc is the house of lords, i'd like to see the royal family abolished but if the people are happy to have them as a tourist attraction i'm ok with that. Yes we should remove the house of lords but they have very little power, it really isn't at all comparable to The EU.
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Post by serpico on Jun 26, 2016 23:30:52 GMT
next for the chopping bloc is the house of lords, i'd like to see the royal family abolished but if the people are happy to have them as a tourist attraction i'm ok with that. Yes we should remove the house of lords but they have very little power, it really isn't at all comparable to The EU. Agree, They're not democratically elected and have no power, so lets get shot of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 23:31:03 GMT
Articles now emerging of British and EU politicians plotting to overturn the decision and block Brexit. Tony Blair one of the leading figures in this. If they make serious moves on this then be prepared, because I will fight and die for my freedom and I am not alone.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 26, 2016 23:40:53 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 27, 2016 0:09:01 GMT
Boris has essentially indicated his plan is to leave the EU Legislation machine whilst retaining all the benefits of membership.......can't wait to see how he sells them that one.........or does he simply plan to not invoke article 50 if and when becoming PM?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 27, 2016 0:15:40 GMT
Thank you for your response desman 2. I have read it, and may respond tomorrow. You see the EU as a full blown political machine, the monarchy is not. I have definitely benefitted more from having the EU in my life than I have from the monarchy, I know that much. Regardless of your point of view this is not a fair comparison in any way. The Monarchy has no influence whatsoever on UK governments anymore and is purely symbolic, no decision taken by the monarchy can affect you or not because we live in a constitutional monarchy. The European Union for better or worse is a growing political, fiscal and symbolic pan continental that influences your life far more. Put it this way, the monarchy has had zero legislative or real life impact on you and this would continue to if you lived to be 300. In 300 years the EU could be completely different, the crux lies in whether you think this a good thing or not.
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Post by sorethumbs on Jun 27, 2016 0:43:26 GMT
I take it you didn't vote out then ? I didn't vote at all in fact Bisp. I was flying back from Berlin on Thursday and the flight which was supposed to get in at 7:20pm was 3 hours delayed and with that went one all important remain vote French air traffic controllers doing their bit for Brexit ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 6:07:57 GMT
Boris has essentially indicated his plan is to leave the EU Legislation machine whilst retaining all the benefits of membership.......can't wait to see how he sells them that one.........or does he simply plan to not invoke article 50 if and when becoming PM? So Johnson thinks we can cherry pick all the benefits from being in the EU and get shot of the bureaucracy and bits that he doesn't like? What an absolute tool.....
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 27, 2016 6:21:30 GMT
The second referendum has been found to have been a bit of a spoof created by a Brexit campaigner who tried to get the government to bring in a clause in May to ensure whoever won had a large majority. It's now been hijacked by the remainiacs and many of the signatories are fraudulent from fictitious names, people from outside the UK and many people signing more than once. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Gods on Jun 27, 2016 6:39:19 GMT
I didn't vote at all in fact Bisp. I was flying back from Berlin on Thursday and the flight which was supposed to get in at 7:20pm was 3 hours delayed and with that went one all important remain vote French air traffic controllers doing their bit for Brexit ;D Yes it was indeed French Air Traffic control, it did not go unnoticed by the passengers!
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Post by Northy on Jun 27, 2016 6:42:36 GMT
What gets me about the talk about the old destroying the youngs future is how do they know the demographics so quickly, counting the votes was just putting the papers into two piles, in or out. So how did they study and compile all gender and age facts so quickly ?
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Post by salopstick on Jun 27, 2016 7:27:10 GMT
What gets me about the talk about the old destroying the youngs future is how do they know the demographics so quickly, counting the votes was just putting the papers into two piles, in or out. So how did they study and compile all gender and age facts so quickly ? They can tell turn out from the electoral roll. And that has DOB, gender and other info on They can't accurately state who voted where At least they now have a list of the under 25s who couldn't get out of bed to vote
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 27, 2016 7:35:06 GMT
The second referendum has been found to have been a bit of a spoof created by a Brexit campaigner who tried to get the government to bring in a clause in May to ensure whoever won had a large majority. It's now been hijacked by the remainiacs and many of the signatories are fraudulent from fictitious names, people from outside the UK and many people signing more than once. Spoof is the bizarre way to describe it, it wasn't a trick or a joke or a humorous exageration. He started it a month before the referendum vote because if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin he wanted a second referendum.
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Post by Northy on Jun 27, 2016 7:38:05 GMT
What gets me about the talk about the old destroying the youngs future is how do they know the demographics so quickly, counting the votes was just putting the papers into two piles, in or out. So how did they study and compile all gender and age facts so quickly ? They can tell turn out from the electoral roll. And that has DOB, gender and other info on They can't accurately state who voted where At least they now have a list of the under 25s who couldn't get out of bed to vote They ticked your name off on a sheet of paper, so how did they get 33 million bits of info transfered into a usable data base so quickly?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 27, 2016 7:40:56 GMT
Articles now emerging of British and EU politicians plotting to overturn the decision and block Brexit. Tony Blair one of the leading figures in this. If they make serious moves on this then be prepared, because I will fight and die for my freedom and I am not alone. Ooooooh what are you gonna do? don't get wrapped up in some Ji-Hadi Joe bullshit pal.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 27, 2016 7:43:20 GMT
The second referendum has been found to have been a bit of a spoof created by a Brexit campaigner who tried to get the government to bring in a clause in May to ensure whoever won had a large majority. It's now been hijacked by the remainiacs and many of the signatories are fraudulent from fictitious names, people from outside the UK and many people signing more than once. Spoof is the bizarre way to describe it, it wasn't a trick or a joke or a humorous exageration. He started it a month before the referendum vote because if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin he wanted a second referendum. Spoof or not mate it's immaterial. The petition has been shown to have been fraudulently completed in an attempt to boost it's numbers. A second referendum will not happen and doubt it will even be debated because of its fraudulent content and the government will have more pressing priorities to be getting on with than pandering to tantrums and teddy bear throwing from the remainiacs.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Jun 27, 2016 7:47:00 GMT
It's just another strawman .How do you know what people know or don't know. Having been part of the campaign I spoke with many people. The only people that knew what they were talking about were fellow lawyers, some MPs or people who work for the EU. Most people base what they know from the press and they were wrong every single day or almost every single topic Only just read this post so sorry if my comments are out of sequence but Oggy to me that says we, the electorate, have voted blindly without understanding the issues and if my interpretation is correct you think we shouldn't have been allowed to do so. If that's your interpretation of the result your advocating a system of rule which is one step away from a dictatorship where the state TELL's its people what's good for them. I would also just like to add that as you were part of the remain campaign you can't be in any way objective about the result.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 27, 2016 8:05:59 GMT
Spoof is the bizarre way to describe it, it wasn't a trick or a joke or a humorous exageration. He started it a month before the referendum vote because if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin he wanted a second referendum. Spoof or not mate it's immaterial. The petition has been shown to have been fraudulently completed in an attempt to boost it's numbers. A second referendum will not happen and doubt it will even be debated because of its fraudulent content and the government will have more pressing priorities to be getting on with than pandering to tantrums and teddy bear throwing from the remainiacs. I agree a 2nd referendum won't happen and the petition is completely pointless.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 27, 2016 8:35:42 GMT
The comments from Boris are interesting, he's bascially saying that everything is going to remain the same apart from the fact that we won't be subject to EU legislation and I know from reading the views of a lot of Brexiters on here that this is what they wanted. It's pretty telling though from his comments and also the comments from Daniel Hannan on newsnight the other day that not much, if anything is going to change when it comes to immigration.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 8:40:58 GMT
In the news today : - the clouds are parting and there maybe sunshine ahead...but while there's music, love ...and romance.....let's face the music and dance ...
"Germany warns 5 more countries could leave Europe now the uk has gone"
"I will make brexit work : Britain is open for business says Osborne as pound recovers"
"Germany USA and Canada say they want special trade deals with post brexit Britain"
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