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Post by samba :) on Feb 7, 2016 10:13:34 GMT
If Shane long is worth 12
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 7, 2016 10:16:04 GMT
Diouf was terrible yesterday, the bloke wasn't even making any runs whatsoever, wasn't running in behind or into any space, and with the pace he has that's criminal. Behind what??? What space??? Have you just heard soundbites from commentators in the past and stuck them in here? It's the job of the rest of the team to stretch players out of position to create that space and ensure there is space behind to run into...they didn't do that so he couldn't. Really is that simple. As soon as we got the ball they just marked the wingers and sat back deep so there WASN'T any way of getting behind unless he was sitting on the bloody goal line Fucking ludicrous post...look at a player like Vardy, he doesn't create the space behind the defence to run into, the whole team do that for him by stretching play, all we did was pass itnsideways and backwards so they could sit deep and let us have it. That isn't Diouf's fault in any way,shape or form!!
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Post by werrington on Feb 7, 2016 10:21:10 GMT
Diouf was terrible yesterday, the bloke wasn't even making any runs whatsoever, wasn't running in behind or into any space, and with the pace he has that's criminal. Behind what??? What space??? Have you just heard soundbites from commentators in the past and stuck them in here? It's the job of the rest of the team to stretch players out of position to create that space and ensure there is space behind to run into...they didn't do that so he couldn't. Really is that simple. As soon as we got the ball they just marked the wingers and sat back deep so there WASN'T any way of getting behind unless he was sitting on the bloody goal line Fucking ludicrous post...look at a player like Vardy, he doesn't create the space behind the defence to run into, the whole team do that for him by stretching play, all we did was pass itnsideways and backwards so they could sit deep and let us have it. That isn't Diouf's fault in any way,shape or form!! Nail on head
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Post by madpotter on Feb 7, 2016 10:21:58 GMT
Diouf was terrible yesterday, the bloke wasn't even making any runs whatsoever, wasn't running in behind or into any space, and with the pace he has that's criminal. Behind what??? What space??? Have you just heard soundbites from commentators in the past and stuck them in here? It's the job of the rest of the team to stretch players out of position to create that space and ensure there is space behind to run into...they didn't do that so he couldn't. Really is that simple. As soon as we got the ball they just marked the wingers and sat back deep so there WASN'T any way of getting behind unless he was sitting on the bloody goal line Fucking ludicrous post He didn't move, didn't offer any movement whatsoever. Joselu came on and did more with less pace than Mame did in his 75mins up top. there was one particular move in the 2nd half where Imbula played a fabulous ball to split their defence and he didn't even anticipate it let alone run for it.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 7, 2016 10:29:35 GMT
My big problem with him yesterday was that he didn't anticipate anything. As a striker you have to gamble and make the runs into good areas even if you're on the end of a Hail Mary ball. He continually stopped and watched and that meant when the ball did get into a decent position he was miles away.
Those kind of runs are why a player as average as Jamie Vardy has bagged so many this season.
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Post by alansuddick on Feb 7, 2016 10:38:49 GMT
I pay my money to go home and away, I can state my opinion on whatever I like , and I think hes a sorry excuse for a football player , who once thrived on effort alone, thats disapeared so theres nothing left.he ll be gone in summer with any luck. Strange....i presume you went home and away last season as well but don't recall you saying he was a "sorry excuse fora footballer" when he was scoring more in 1 season than any other forward of ours has. Is he a sorry excuse for a footballer or you just a sorry excuse for a fan who has a short memory,no respect for our players or fans and can't understand that maybe,just maybe the fact that he's had a tragedy ridden season where he's also barely played in his own position might be the reason for his downturn in form? He's a human being not a fucking robot! Sad when any club has fans like you really Said since the first time I saw him he was never a football player.and I dont have to give any player respect if they dont earn it, he gets about 30000 a week so fuk him.he has no football brain, anticipates nothing and doesnt look arsed this season.still living off that back pass joe hart let squirm under him, but I imagine you saw that as world class.if your reading this diouff please leave asap
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Post by werrington on Feb 7, 2016 10:43:30 GMT
Strange....i presume you went home and away last season as well but don't recall you saying he was a "sorry excuse fora footballer" when he was scoring more in 1 season than any other forward of ours has. Is he a sorry excuse for a footballer or you just a sorry excuse for a fan who has a short memory,no respect for our players or fans and can't understand that maybe,just maybe the fact that he's had a tragedy ridden season where he's also barely played in his own position might be the reason for his downturn in form? He's a human being not a fucking robot! Sad when any club has fans like you really Said since the first time I saw him he was never a football player.and I dont have to give any player respect if they dont earn it, he gets about 30000 a week so fuk him.he has no football brain, anticipates nothing and doesnt look arsed this season.still living off that back pass joe hart let squirm under him, but I imagine you saw that as world class.if your reading this diouff please leave asap A new oatcake mb low of which there are many but this post is up there
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 7, 2016 11:05:05 GMT
Strange....i presume you went home and away last season as well but don't recall you saying he was a "sorry excuse fora footballer" when he was scoring more in 1 season than any other forward of ours has. Is he a sorry excuse for a footballer or you just a sorry excuse for a fan who has a short memory,no respect for our players or fans and can't understand that maybe,just maybe the fact that he's had a tragedy ridden season where he's also barely played in his own position might be the reason for his downturn in form? He's a human being not a fucking robot! Sad when any club has fans like you really Said since the first time I saw him he was never a football player.and I dont have to give any player respect if they dont earn it, he gets about 30000 a week so fuk him.he has no football brain, anticipates nothing and doesnt look arsed this season.still living off that back pass joe hart let squirm under him, but I imagine you saw that as world class.if your reading this diouff please leave asap What an utter embarrassment to the support of this club you are
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Post by milky on Feb 7, 2016 11:05:42 GMT
Strange....i presume you went home and away last season as well but don't recall you saying he was a "sorry excuse fora footballer" when he was scoring more in 1 season than any other forward of ours has. Is he a sorry excuse for a footballer or you just a sorry excuse for a fan who has a short memory,no respect for our players or fans and can't understand that maybe,just maybe the fact that he's had a tragedy ridden season where he's also barely played in his own position might be the reason for his downturn in form? He's a human being not a fucking robot! Sad when any club has fans like you really Said since the first time I saw him he was never a football player.and I dont have to give any player respect if they dont earn it, he gets about 30000 a week so fuk him.he has no football brain, anticipates nothing and doesnt look arsed this season.still living off that back pass joe hart let squirm under him, but I imagine you saw that as world class.if your reading this diouff please leave asap This just sums up what a handful of bellends we have as so called support. Either that or you're deliberately on a wind up.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 7, 2016 11:14:28 GMT
My big problem with him yesterday was that he didn't anticipate anything. As a striker you have to gamble and make the runs into good areas even if you're on the end of a Hail Mary ball. He continually stopped and watched and that meant when the ball did get into a decent position he was miles away. Those kind of runs are why a player as average as Jamie Vardy has bagged so many this season. What space was there for diouf Rob? None whatsoever. Our "attacking" build up was fucking woeful...get the ball, could break with pace but no,give it to glenn who then goes sideways to muni who goes back to wolly who goes out to johnson,back to glenn etc. etc. Our players might as well have just shouted when they got the ball "It's alright toffees,we'll give you a minute or two to get back to your 18 yard line and set up before we move it forward". Everytime then it was put it out to pieters who'll swing it in to an area which was by then packed with defenders or to shaq who virtually everytime just played it against the legs of the first man. Probabaly the easiest defending job they've had all year when it's that preductable; let stome have it as much as they want until the final third, just get back into the box and mark up because it's GUARANTEED to just be a cross into the box where there are only 2 at most Stoke players. Even that defence splitting ball you're on about, you're talking about threading the eye of a needle there, they crowded the box whenever we got forward and we were trying to do an arsenal and walk it into the net through 6 everton players. You need shaq,arnje,johnson etc. to play it and play it quickly,drag people around and create space...THAT'S what Leicester do which is why Vardy works, they work as a team amd attsck QUICKLY!!! They don't fanny around for 5 mins allowing the opposition to get back and sit back on their 18 yard line
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 7, 2016 11:19:00 GMT
My big problem with him yesterday was that he didn't anticipate anything. As a striker you have to gamble and make the runs into good areas even if you're on the end of a Hail Mary ball. He continually stopped and watched and that meant when the ball did get into a decent position he was miles away. Those kind of runs are why a player as average as Jamie Vardy has bagged so many this season. What space was there for diouf Rob? None whatsoever. Our "attacking" build up was fucking woeful...get the ball, could break with pace but no,give it to glenn who then goes sideways to muni who goes back to wolly who goes out to johnson,back to glenn etc. etc. Our players might as well have just shouted when they got the ball "It's alright toffees,we'll give you a minute or two to get back to your 18 yard line and set up before we move it forward". Everytime then it was put it out to pieters who'll swing it in to an area which was by then packed with defenders or to shaq who virtually everytime just played it against the legs of the first man. Probabaly the easiest defending job they've had all year when it's that preductable; let stome have it as much as they want until the final third, just get back into the box and mark up because it's GUARANTEED to just be a cross into the box where there are only 2 at most Stoke players. Even that defence splitting ball you're on about, you're talking about threading the eye of a needle there, they crowded the box whenever we got forward and we were trying to do an arsenal and walk it into the net through 6 everton players. You need shaq,arnje,johnson etc. to play it and play it quickly,drag people around and create space...THAT'S what Leicester do which is why Vardy works, they work as a team amd attsck QUICKLY!!! They don't fanny around for 5 mins allowing the opposition to get back and sit back on their 18 yard line There were two or they're occasions Millsy when a ball was knocked through and it just harmlessly went through to their defenders or out for a goal kick. On each occasion, had Diouf anticipated the pass he could at the very least have put some pressure on the defenders and created something from nothing. We were already 3-0 down by then but it's not a new phenomenon with Diouf and it's one of the most frustrating things about him. That should be second-nature to any centre forward worth his salt.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 7, 2016 11:35:15 GMT
What space was there for diouf Rob? None whatsoever. Our "attacking" build up was fucking woeful...get the ball, could break with pace but no,give it to glenn who then goes sideways to muni who goes back to wolly who goes out to johnson,back to glenn etc. etc. Our players might as well have just shouted when they got the ball "It's alright toffees,we'll give you a minute or two to get back to your 18 yard line and set up before we move it forward". Everytime then it was put it out to pieters who'll swing it in to an area which was by then packed with defenders or to shaq who virtually everytime just played it against the legs of the first man. Probabaly the easiest defending job they've had all year when it's that preductable; let stome have it as much as they want until the final third, just get back into the box and mark up because it's GUARANTEED to just be a cross into the box where there are only 2 at most Stoke players. Even that defence splitting ball you're on about, you're talking about threading the eye of a needle there, they crowded the box whenever we got forward and we were trying to do an arsenal and walk it into the net through 6 everton players. You need shaq,arnje,johnson etc. to play it and play it quickly,drag people around and create space...THAT'S what Leicester do which is why Vardy works, they work as a team amd attsck QUICKLY!!! They don't fanny around for 5 mins allowing the opposition to get back and sit back on their 18 yard line There were two or they're occasions Millsy when a ball was knocked through and it just harmlessly went through to their defenders or out for a goal kick. On each occasion, had Diouf anticipated the pass he could at the very least have put some pressure on the defenders and created something from nothing. We were already 3-0 down by then but it's not a new phenomenon with Diouf and it's one of the most frustrating things about him. That should be second-nature to any centre forward worth his salt. I'm agree, it's difficult because it's his first start up-front for a while but there was definitely more than one occasion where he could and should have made a run but didn't. There was also a great chance from a decent aerial ball in where he pushed Shaqiri (I think) out of the way but didn't get anywhere near it himself.
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Post by fca47 on Feb 7, 2016 11:48:25 GMT
He's proved he can score goals, but we are just not playing to his strengths. We just don't seem to know what the tactics are, yesterday taking Shaqiri off and shoving Diouf out to the right, where experience has shown he is ineffective, surely it would have been better to play two up front and take Whelan off, why did we need a defensive midfielder on when we were already three down, he wasn't the worst player out there, but his position was redundant.
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Post by borat on Feb 7, 2016 11:52:11 GMT
I don't think he's going be the same player sadly but he was definitely worth 10 million last season, maybe more.
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Post by alansuddick on Feb 7, 2016 13:25:51 GMT
Hes shite
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 13:36:06 GMT
I have to repeat. He is a slight upgrade on Cameron Jerome. End of. We should be getting a striker who knows automatically where the back of the net is. If we do not get one in the summer, I for one will not be happy. As for the present conundrum, we should play Joselu and stick with it!
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Post by crowey on Feb 7, 2016 13:39:44 GMT
.... Same as what Robo 51 said
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Post by milky on Feb 7, 2016 14:49:37 GMT
Is your username an attempt on irony bearing in mind he was one of the worst players ever to wear the shirt ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 14:58:42 GMT
I saw Diouf making loads of runs. Definitely no lack of willingness to work for the team. Trouble was that none of the runs were into particularly dangerous areas, but this was due to the complete lack of space as others have said. At the same time, those runs should have created space for someone else to run into, but that never happened either. There also seems a definite reluctance to pass to him. He cuts a bewildered figure sometimes.
Lots of problems upfront to this untrained eye. But in his post-match interview, Hughes seemed to have recognised the problems, and maybe the increased time he'll now have on the training pitch with them can pay dividends. It's usually around now when Hughes' famed second half of the season surge occurs. Here's hoping.
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Post by StokieNath on Feb 7, 2016 15:06:46 GMT
No, no he is not.
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Post by alansuddick on Feb 7, 2016 16:06:38 GMT
Is your username an attempt on irony bearing in mind he was one of the worst players ever to wear the shirt ? Well you got it so its an attempt that worked!
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Post by silverdollar on Feb 8, 2016 9:25:36 GMT
I feel sorry for Mame. He's not played much this season due to horrific circumstances. When he has played he's played on the wing, a position he's totally unsuited for. He gets played up front in a team that Alan Shearer in his heyday would struggle in and he gets slagged off. We do not play to his strengths at all. Move the ball quicker, get some decent crosses in and play the ball down the sides of the centre halves. Then you will see the best of him. Absolutely spot on. We have never played to his strengths. Are you saying lay the goals on a plate for him and he'll score. From my experience his percentage on these sorts of chances is less than 50%. He has poor technique and vision for me but apart from Joselu he perhaps the best we have got.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 8, 2016 9:32:55 GMT
Lukaku showed how to play that role. Everton could lump the ball up to him, isolated with 3 defenders around him and he would control it, shield it and then lay it off.
How I wish he played for Stoke
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Post by Gods on Feb 8, 2016 9:33:27 GMT
It's a 'no' from me
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 9:50:46 GMT
Lukaku showed how to play that role. Everton could lump the ball up to him, isolated with 3 defenders around him and he would control it, shield it and then lay it off. How I wish he played for Stoke He's the ultimate striker for 4231.
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Feb 8, 2016 10:40:14 GMT
He scored 11 goals in the league last season, and that was in a patchy year where he was on the wing as often as he was up front. That's a £10m player.
Haven't seen that very often this season but he hasn't had the luxury of a decent run in the team. I think he'd be worth £10m to a side that play all-out full paced counter attack like Palace or Leicester, because even though he's got the touch of a bloke with a brand new set of prosthetic legs, he's rapid and he can put them away.
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Post by Discovery Stoke on Feb 8, 2016 10:50:51 GMT
Can't think of any 'through balls' played in behind the defence for him to run on to.
If you are going to play balls into feet for somebody to hold it up then play Crouch/Joselu.
However if you play Mame, balls have to be in behind for him to use his pace and power. As much as I like Afellay, he doesn't play the killer ball whereas Bojan often does. Imbula showed that he is also looking to play that killer ball so I would stick with Mame and 100% play Bojan behind him
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 11:23:27 GMT
What happened to Diouf was tragic I agree but people have to move on. Harry Arter suffered his own personal grief some weeks ago but has soldiered on. The simple fact is that Diouf is not the answer to our problems up front and needs to be moved on for a reasonable fee.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 8, 2016 11:43:42 GMT
I think he's better in a team where a long ball to him works if he can control it, which sadly isn't a given. Hughes has bought in players that means that kind of ball is less common. The likes of Arnie and Shaqiri cutting inside rather than chalk on your boots wingers firing in crosses don't work for him. He needs to be in and around the box picking up 5 to 10 yard passes, dropping the shoulder and making space for a shot. That's not what Diouf is about or can do. Same is probably true of Crouch to a lesser degree. While we try, and fail, to walk the ball in he's going to be an onlooker.
Change the style or change the strikers.
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Post by alster on Feb 8, 2016 12:05:06 GMT
He scored 11 goals in the league last season, and that was in a patchy year where he was on the wing as often as he was up front. That's a £10m player. Haven't seen that very often this season but he hasn't had the luxury of a decent run in the team. I think he'd be worth £10m to a side that play all-out full paced counter attack like Palace or Leicester, because even though he's got the touch of a bloke with a brand new set of prosthetic legs, he's rapid and he can put them away. I think that's about the fairest post on the thread so far. He definitely has the pace and work rate to trouble defences all day long with the right service but as I've said many times he's got the touch of a rapist and doesn't seem to have a much of football brain. He's a useful player who should be given more opportunity in his position but I'd be surprised if he's the answer long term. Whoever leads the line has got a thankless task at the moment given our problems can not be solved by one player or formation change, CAM has been a problem since Bojan's loss of form evidenced by the forgotten man Ireland looking more effective than anyone in that position in the last few weeks, deserves a stert for me. The wide forwards have also gone off the boil and are spending little time playing in their most effective areas and are drifting into the centre far too much probably in an attempt to make up for the ineffectiveness of the two central attackers. Sounds like a muddle looks like a muddle. We need to pinch some sort of a positive result at Bournemouth and hopefully a warm weather training break during the break in fixtures to get some treatment to niggles and work on the training pitches to get us firing again. Our players have not turned into shit overnight we are in a rut and need some sort of jolt to get us out of it, these are the same players we were purring over only a few short weeks ago.
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