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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 5, 2016 9:50:16 GMT
Almost
Same points and same position after 24 games
We had scored 3 more goals this time last season but had conceded 1 more
Oh and we had gone out of the cup and Sparky took them off to warmer shores when the FA Cup weekend came around end of Feb, which one would think he will do again and they ripped it up when they came back
So -2 worse on GD but that is splitting hairs
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 5, 2016 9:53:31 GMT
Pluses on last year we have an £18M (Eighteen Million Pounds) player to come in
Negatives on last year injuries and no improvement in squad depth
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 9:56:59 GMT
Okay
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 5, 2016 9:57:15 GMT
Pluses on last year we have an £18M (Eighteen Million Pounds) player to come in Negatives on last year injuries and no improvement in squad depth Better right back than last season Much better potential on right wing Bojan is sort of back But yea, still waiting for them to click if I am honest Glimpses, only glimpses |
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Feb 5, 2016 10:01:45 GMT
Carbon copy? We are in the 21st century and battling against global warming!  |
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Post by adamsson on Feb 5, 2016 10:05:29 GMT
Other big plus is the top 6 is closer (or feels it anyway)
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Post by potterblade on Feb 5, 2016 10:27:08 GMT
The points tally might be the same but we have a far better platform to push forward from now.
I cant believe some idiots think the squad is weaker. We have loads more potential both in the senior squad and the youth. You can see the jigsaw coming together and we've done well to move the pieces around so much and maintain our position.
As a club we have built stronger foubdations and our media profile is much improved too. All credit to Hughes and the board!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 5, 2016 10:28:56 GMT
The points tally might be the same but we have a far better platform to push forward from now. I cant believe some idiots think the squad is weaker. We have loads more potential both in the senior squad and the youth. You can see the jigsaw coming together and we've done well to move the pieces around so much and maintain our position. As a club we have built stronger foubdations and our media profile is much improved too. All credit to Hughes and the board! The youth squad?!?!?! We do have more potential, absolutely no doubt. We should see it bare fruit in the Premier League in around 2019. It's a complete irrelevance to how this season will pan out. |
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Post by basingstokie on Feb 5, 2016 10:44:52 GMT
Pluses on last year we have an £18M (Eighteen Million Pounds) player to come in Negatives on last year injuries and no improvement in squad depth No improvement - seriously! Begovic and N Zonzi out Butland proved more than capable replacement, Haugaard looks decent Wolly looks far better this season Shaqiri in, Gianni in, Johnson in For me our potential weaker areas are cover for Erik and a decent striker But we are definitely stronger than last year |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 5, 2016 10:49:12 GMT
Pluses on last year we have an £18M (Eighteen Million Pounds) player to come in Negatives on last year injuries and no improvement in squad depth No improvement - seriously! Begovic and N Zonzi out Butland proved more than capable replacement, Haugaard looks decent Wolly looks far better this season Shaqiri in, Gianni in, Johnson in For me our potential weaker areas are cover for Erik and a decent striker But we are definitely stronger than last year I think we're pretty much the same depth wise (I never said quality wise) and have far more injuries and niggles. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 5, 2016 11:04:07 GMT
Almost Same points and same position after 24 games We had scored 3 more goals this time last season but had conceded 1 more Oh and we had gone out of the cup and Sparky took them off to warmer shores when the FA Cup weekend came around end of Feb, which one would think he will do again and they ripped it up when they came back So -2 worse on GD but that is splitting hairs I am sad enough to track our performance on a fixture by fixture basis. Despite our pretty wretched league run since the Everton win, by my reckoning, we remain 2 points ahead of last seasons total from the same fixture set. We are, as you said, two goals worse off in goal difference, due to conceding fewer but scoring a lot less than last season. The goals for column, by my methods, is looking a bit sick in all honesty with 6 goals fewer than last season. However, to take the positive, you could say that is because we had the freak 6-1 win v Liverpool last season v a 0-1 reverse this season. That is your 6 goals right there. Saturday is important. Win and we stay ahead of last season. Lose and we fall behind. As you say though, by whatever measure we use, it is all very close in terms of performance v last season and that wasn't the case a few weeks ago when we were storming ahead of last seasons points totals. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 5, 2016 11:09:56 GMT
Almost Same points and same position after 24 games We had scored 3 more goals this time last season but had conceded 1 more Oh and we had gone out of the cup and Sparky took them off to warmer shores when the FA Cup weekend came around end of Feb, which one would think he will do again and they ripped it up when they came back So -2 worse on GD but that is splitting hairs I am sad enough to track our performance on a fixture by fixture basis. Despite our pretty wretched league run since the Everton win, by my reckoning, we remain 2 points ahead of last seasons total from the same fixture set. We are, as you said, two goals worse off in goal difference, due to conceding fewer but scoring a lot less than last season. The goals for column, by my methods, is looking a bit sick in all honesty with 6 goals fewer than last season. However, to take the positive, you could say that is because we had the freak 6-1 win v Liverpool last season v a 0-1 reverse this season. That is your 6 goals right there. Saturday is important. Win and we stay ahead of last season. Lose and we fall behind. As you say though, by whatever measure we use, it is all very close in terms of performance v last season and that wasn't the case a few weeks ago when we were storming ahead of last seasons points totals. DJ - just re checked (how sad) and 24 played 33 points same as last year and 10th |
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Post by jeycov on Feb 5, 2016 11:13:26 GMT
The points tally might be the same but we have a far better platform to push forward from now. I cant believe some idiots think the squad is weaker. We have loads more potential both in the senior squad and the youth. You can see the jigsaw coming together and we've done well to move the pieces around so much and maintain our position. As a club we have built stronger foubdations and our media profile is much improved too. All credit to Hughes and the board! Capital One Cup semi-final Raised expectations Patience needed |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 5, 2016 11:21:03 GMT
I am sad enough to track our performance on a fixture by fixture basis. Despite our pretty wretched league run since the Everton win, by my reckoning, we remain 2 points ahead of last seasons total from the same fixture set. We are, as you said, two goals worse off in goal difference, due to conceding fewer but scoring a lot less than last season. The goals for column, by my methods, is looking a bit sick in all honesty with 6 goals fewer than last season. However, to take the positive, you could say that is because we had the freak 6-1 win v Liverpool last season v a 0-1 reverse this season. That is your 6 goals right there. Saturday is important. Win and we stay ahead of last season. Lose and we fall behind. As you say though, by whatever measure we use, it is all very close in terms of performance v last season and that wasn't the case a few weeks ago when we were storming ahead of last seasons points totals. DJ - just re checked (how sad) and 24 played 33 points same as last year and 10th I don't do it on games played though. I do it on a fixture by fixture basis. i.e Liverpool home this season v last season so us at -3 points and a -1 goal difference v +5 from the season before. Fixture by fixture not number of games. If you take every game we've played this season and compare them v the same fixture last season (you obviously need to replace relegated teams for promoted ones so Watford take QPR because they're the closest Geographically, Norwich take Hull because they're both on the East of the Country and Bournemouth take Burnley because Eddie Howe managed both clubs  , we are two points ahead of last season but 2 goals worse off in goal difference terms. We beat Everton 2-0 last season at home a draw will see us with the same points for the same fixture set, a lost would put us 1 point behind last season and a win would keep us 2 ahead with a trip to Bournemouth to come which only yielded one point the season before. Now that my friend, is what you call sad!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 11:26:54 GMT
DJ - just re checked (how sad) and 24 played 33 points same as last year and 10th I don't do it on games played though. I do it on a fixture by fixture basis. i.e Liverpool home this season v last season so us at -3 points and a -1 goal difference v +5 from the season before. Fixture by fixture not number of games. If you take every game we've played this season and compare them v the same fixture last season (you obviously need to replace relegated teams for promoted ones so Watford take QPR because they're the closest Geographically, Norwich take Hull because they're both on the East of the Country and Bournemouth take Burnley because Eddie Howe managed both clubs , we are two points ahead of last season but 2 goals worse off in goal difference terms. We beat Everton 2-0 last season at home a draw will see us with the same points for the same fixture set, a lost would put us 1 point behind last season and a win would keep us 2 ahead with a trip to Bournemouth to come which only yielded one point the season before. Now that my friend, is what you call sad! That is extremely sad Dave but just as interesting and funny in equal measures |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 5, 2016 11:34:56 GMT
I don't do it on games played though. I do it on a fixture by fixture basis. i.e Liverpool home this season v last season so us at -3 points and a -1 goal difference v +5 from the season before. Fixture by fixture not number of games. If you take every game we've played this season and compare them v the same fixture last season (you obviously need to replace relegated teams for promoted ones so Watford take QPR because they're the closest Geographically, Norwich take Hull because they're both on the East of the Country and Bournemouth take Burnley because Eddie Howe managed both clubs , we are two points ahead of last season but 2 goals worse off in goal difference terms. We beat Everton 2-0 last season at home a draw will see us with the same points for the same fixture set, a lost would put us 1 point behind last season and a win would keep us 2 ahead with a trip to Bournemouth to come which only yielded one point the season before. Now that my friend, is what you call sad! That is extremely sad Dave but just as interesting and funny in equal measures I've done it since the last Tony Pulis season mate. I first did it to prove how shit we were and how we were regressing but I do it with my little lad now. It helps his maths development, geography skills, reasoning etc and it let's me spend some time with him just talking pure football. He's started keeping stats for his own football now. Goals scored, assists, wins/losses etc and he uses excel and formulas and all sorts. He's only just turned 8 so even though it started because I'm a sad bastard who will do anything rather than work, it has actually been quite good and has other uses and benefits for my kids as well. Everyone's a winner! |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Feb 5, 2016 11:41:57 GMT
The fact that the top 8 are closer confirms that apart from Villa & Sunderland the league is a lot stronger and more competitive. We really need a goalscorer and in that position we are no stronger. Diof & Crouch need to go - some quality brought in.
Until we get that bit of quality in front of goal we will still struggle to break mis table I'm afraid.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 5, 2016 11:44:12 GMT
DJ - just re checked (how sad) and 24 played 33 points same as last year and 10th I don't do it on games played though. I do it on a fixture by fixture basis. i.e Liverpool home this season v last season so us at -3 points and a -1 goal difference v +5 from the season before. Fixture by fixture not number of games. If you take every game we've played this season and compare them v the same fixture last season (you obviously need to replace relegated teams for promoted ones so Watford take QPR because they're the closest Geographically, Norwich take Hull because they're both on the East of the Country and Bournemouth take Burnley because Eddie Howe managed both clubs , we are two points ahead of last season but 2 goals worse off in goal difference terms. We beat Everton 2-0 last season at home a draw will see us with the same points for the same fixture set, a lost would put us 1 point behind last season and a win would keep us 2 ahead with a trip to Bournemouth to come which only yielded one point the season before. Now that my friend, is what you call sad! I thought I had it bad. Sir, I doff my cap  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 11:59:56 GMT
That is extremely sad Dave but just as interesting and funny in equal measures I've done it since the last Tony Pulis season mate. I first did it to prove how shit we were and how we were regressing but I do it with my little lad now. It helps his maths development, geography skills, reasoning etc and it let's me spend some time with him just talking pure football. He's started keeping stats for his own football now. Goals scored, assists, wins/losses etc and he uses excel and formulas and all sorts. He's only just turned 8 so even though it started because I'm a sad bastard who will do anything rather than work, it has actually been quite good and has other uses and benefits for my kids as well. Everyone's a winner! It suddenly doesn't seem anywhere near as sad now I've read that. Still like the idea and find it intriguing so keep posting the stats. Which makes me a sad fucker I know,because I don't have the 8 year old son excuse to fall back on |
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Post by alster on Feb 5, 2016 12:01:32 GMT
Pluses on last year we have an £18M (Eighteen Million Pounds) player to come in Negatives on last year injuries and no improvement in squad depth I personally would not like to see the squad depth improved in fact I'd like it a little leaner. I've said before many times I'd like to see two of the youngsters on the bench every game. I think 7 sub's is a ridiculously large amount and would like to see 2 under 21's on the bench it would be of benefit to development of homegrown players for it to be a rule for all the teams but I'd be happy for my club to adopt it unilaterally. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 5, 2016 12:08:23 GMT
Pluses on last year we have an £18M (Eighteen Million Pounds) player to come in Negatives on last year injuries and no improvement in squad depth I personally would not like to see the squad depth improved in fact I'd like it a little leaner. I've said before many times I'd like to see two of the youngsters on the bench every game. I think 7 sub's is a ridiculously large amount and would like to see 2 under 21's on the bench it would be of benefit to development of homegrown players for it to be a rule for all the teams but I'd be happy for my club to adopt it unilaterally. Doesn't really work though when you're still suffering from 25 years of youth neglect, a couple of your best players are injured, you don't utilise the loan system, you're best striker is in the doghouse and you've got another couple of players who seem incapable of completing 90 minutes. You need a deep squad. |
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Post by alster on Feb 5, 2016 12:25:57 GMT
I personally would not like to see the squad depth improved in fact I'd like it a little leaner. I've said before many times I'd like to see two of the youngsters on the bench every game. I think 7 sub's is a ridiculously large amount and would like to see 2 under 21's on the bench it would be of benefit to development of homegrown players for it to be a rule for all the teams but I'd be happy for my club to adopt it unilaterally. Doesn't really work though when you're still suffering from 25 years of youth neglect, a couple of your best players are injured, you don't utilise the loan system, you're best striker is in the doghouse and you've got another couple of players who seem incapable of completing 90 minutes. You need a deep squad. Obviously a difference in perspective, I don't like to see a bench packed with old heads. We have bought in young players that the club obviously feel have real potential if a couple were involved in the match day squad it sends the right message to the youngsters it would motivate them and also help recruit more and better if they can see that chances will come. Seven sub's plain ridiculous remember when you got to name one. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 5, 2016 12:35:15 GMT
The fact that the top 8 are closer confirms that apart from Villa & Sunderland the league is a lot stronger and more competitive. We really need a goalscorer and in that position we are no stronger. Diof & Crouch need to go - some quality brought in. Until we get that bit of quality in front of goal we will still struggle to break mis table I'm afraid. It may be more competitive but stronger? |
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Post by KevinWhimper on Feb 5, 2016 12:55:42 GMT
Pluses on last year we have an £18M (Eighteen Million Pounds) player to come in Negatives on last year injuries and no improvement in squad depth Didn't we have a pretty bad injury crisis last season? |
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Post by potterblade on Feb 5, 2016 14:11:04 GMT
The points tally might be the same but we have a far better platform to push forward from now. I cant believe some idiots think the squad is weaker. We have loads more potential both in the senior squad and the youth. You can see the jigsaw coming together and we've done well to move the pieces around so much and maintain our position. As a club we have built stronger foubdations and our media profile is much improved too. All credit to Hughes and the board! The youth squad?!?!?! We do have more potential, absolutely no doubt. We should see it bare fruit in the Premier League in around 2019. It's a complete irrelevance to how this season will pan out. I wouldn't expect any breakthroughs soon but strength in the u21s creates pressure and competition for places all the way up the chain. This is better than last year |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 5, 2016 14:19:52 GMT
The points tally might be the same but we have a far better platform to push forward from now. I cant believe some idiots think the squad is weaker. We have loads more potential both in the senior squad and the youth. You can see the jigsaw coming together and we've done well to move the pieces around so much and maintain our position. As a club we have built stronger foubdations and our media profile is much improved too. All credit to Hughes and the board! Do we have a manager willing to use the youth squad? He's as bad if not worse than Tone so for that side. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Feb 5, 2016 14:31:18 GMT
The league certainly isn't STRONGER this season. The top clubs are (by their own standards) eratic, unpredictable and inconsistent (need I remind anyone that LEICESTER lead the race). The league IS very competative and everyone beats anyone else on any given day. We sort of emphasise the point for the whole league in our own form.
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Post by potterblade on Feb 5, 2016 14:35:20 GMT
The points tally might be the same but we have a far better platform to push forward from now. I cant believe some idiots think the squad is weaker. We have loads more potential both in the senior squad and the youth. You can see the jigsaw coming together and we've done well to move the pieces around so much and maintain our position. As a club we have built stronger foubdations and our media profile is much improved too. All credit to Hughes and the board! Do we have a manager willing to use the youth squad? He's as bad if not worse than Tone so for that side. Hopefully we will see a few go out on loan next season and cut their teeth like Butland. Telford, Molina, Moha and Shenton are all good prospects but we wont promote to the first team unless there is a gap to fill. Quite a bit of deadwood to chop out first |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Feb 5, 2016 14:58:47 GMT
Probably debatable on the stronger. How do you reconcile in previous years Man Utd win Premiership then struggle in the following season with the same "strength" of players. Ok a different manager, but then look at Chelsea same strength of players and a poor start after winning the title months earlier. Even Man City strengthened their side with Bony etc which maybe weakened Swansea. Man City have been as inconsistent as anyone even Arsenal - no lowering of strength in any of these teams I just think the standard of players is higher across the League especially when they have a greater urge to win or not be beaten, which in itself makes it all the more competitive. If you are not playing to 100% of your capacity at the moment you will fail.
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Post by Silkystoke on Feb 5, 2016 15:00:53 GMT
And the same people are fucking moaning..!!!
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, we are two points ahead of last season but 2 goals worse off in goal difference terms.
