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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 3, 2016 9:35:23 GMT
A 3-0 defeat and we're blaming the centre forward. Scapegoats are us. So the forwards were alright and the defence is free of blame "A weakened back four and one of the defensive minded midfielders goes completely AWOL." So who (in our own opinion) can we blame?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 3, 2016 9:38:05 GMT
A 3-0 defeat and we're blaming the centre forward. Scapegoats are us. So the forwards were alright and the defence is free of blame "A weakened back four and one of the defensive minded midfielders goes completely AWOL." So who (in our own opinion) can we blame? Who said the defence was free of blame? Who said the forwards were free of blame? Not me. I've said the midfield have to take the lions share. They went through is like we didn't have a midfield, which we didn't really.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 3, 2016 9:39:37 GMT
Diouf up front for me, but please Mr. Hughes no Walters out wide, he offers very little out there.
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 3, 2016 9:42:53 GMT
So the forwards were alright and the defence is free of blame "A weakened back four and one of the defensive minded midfielders goes completely AWOL." So who (in our own opinion) can we blame? Who said the defence was free of blame? Who said the forwards were free of blame? Not me. I've said the midfield have to take the lions share. They went through is like we didn't have a midfield, which we didn't really. So who's the scapegoat? The shitest of the shit? I've seen many players (quite rightly) criticised for last night, what did Crouch do last night to help us?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 3, 2016 9:51:44 GMT
Who said the defence was free of blame? Who said the forwards were free of blame? Not me. I've said the midfield have to take the lions share. They went through is like we didn't have a midfield, which we didn't really. So who's the scapegoat? The shitest of the shit? I've seen many players (quite rightly) criticised for last night, what did Crouch do last night to help us? He set up a half chance for Walters and very little else. What did the midfielders do for us at either end of the pitch? Fuck all is the answer.
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Post by pez75 on Feb 3, 2016 9:53:34 GMT
Who said the defence was free of blame? Who said the forwards were free of blame? Not me. I've said the midfield have to take the lions share. They went through is like we didn't have a midfield, which we didn't really. So who's the scapegoat? The shitest of the shit? I've seen many players (quite rightly) criticised for last night, what did Crouch do last night to help us? Crouch did ok as far as the job he was asked to do. He won his headers and held the ball up as you would expect. I just think hughes got it wrong last night. He was hoping for a Liverpool mk2, but too many players were off their game last night. Only Bojan & Affelay deserve any credit really. I find it strange that Crouch has been singled out when Walters was particularly toss (again). He did not get close to Crouch, nor did he effectively run the right wing. He also offered Johnson little help with Martial who was their best player. I would drop Crouch because the system did not work. I would drop Walters because he was cack.
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 3, 2016 9:59:41 GMT
So who's the scapegoat? The shitest of the shit? I've seen many players (quite rightly) criticised for last night, what did Crouch do last night to help us? He set up a half chance for Walters and very little else. What did the midfielders do for us at either end of the pitch? Fuck all is the answer. Change midfielders for most of the team and I'd agree. I actually thought Bardsley played alright when he came on and Whelan did OK defensively covering for Muniesa's walkabouts. Also Bojan wasn't terrible, not great but not terrible. Everyone else deserves all the criticism they're getting (including Crouch).
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 3, 2016 10:01:39 GMT
So who's the scapegoat? The shitest of the shit? I've seen many players (quite rightly) criticised for last night, what did Crouch do last night to help us? Crouch did ok as far as the job he was asked to do. He won his headers and held the ball up as you would expect. I just think hughes got it wrong last night. He was hoping for a Liverpool mk2, but too many players were off their game last night. Only Bojan & Affelay deserve any credit really. I find it strange that Crouch has been singled out when Walters was particularly toss (again). He did not get close to Crouch, nor did he effectively run the right wing. He also offered Johnson little help with Martial who was their best player. I would drop Crouch because the system did not work. I would drop Walters because he was cack. Crouch probably won about 3 headers all night then literally gave up after that. He's not being 'singled out' but he also shouldn't be exonerated either.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 3, 2016 10:03:23 GMT
Has Crouch and Walters ever really worked? Wasn't it tried under Pulis and slated? While I'm at it, wasn't there a point last season when Walters was starting all the time and our form dipped, then he was left out and we suddenly improved? Or is that my imagination playing tricks on me? Anyway, the point is that we shouldn't be relying on either of them, they should be bench options and Diouf/Joselu should start. It rarely works (it has sometimes but not often) and it should be confined to the dustbin. If I ever see Walters and Crouch start in the same Stoke City 11 again, it really will be too soon.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 3, 2016 10:04:18 GMT
So who's the scapegoat? The shitest of the shit? I've seen many players (quite rightly) criticised for last night, what did Crouch do last night to help us? Crouch did ok as far as the job he was asked to do. He won his headers and held the ball up as you would expect. I just think hughes got it wrong last night. He was hoping for a Liverpool mk2, but too many players were off their game last night. Only Bojan & Affelay deserve any credit really. I find it strange that Crouch has been singled out when Walters was particularly toss (again). He did not get close to Crouch, nor did he effectively run the right wing. He also offered Johnson little help with Martial who was their best player. I would drop Crouch because the system did not work. I would drop Walters because he was cack. I agree with most of that, I was only watching via stream and then the extended highlights on Sky however. Both Crouch and Walters were trying to hold up the ball and created 1 or 2 chances for Affelay / Arnie / Bardsley to take a shot so a bit harsh to single them out It's all about opinions, we were 2nd best on the day, our frustration started to show as passes broke down and we were undone in particular with their pace and movement off the ball. We are missing Ryan (and Cameron) not only for their play, but as leaders and organisers on the pitch and in the heart of defence. Along with Wolly, they may be absent on Saturday! As fans, we are disappointed, but not injured so let's give 100% on Saturday
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 3, 2016 10:04:20 GMT
He set up a half chance for Walters and very little else. What did the midfielders do for us at either end of the pitch? Fuck all is the answer. Change midfielders for most of the team and I'd agree. I actually thought Bardsley played alright when he came on and Whelan did OK defensively covering for Muniesa's walkabouts. Also Bojan wasn't terrible, not great but not terrible. Everyone else deserves all the criticism they're getting (including Crouch). I don’t think Crouch played well but think several other players contributed to our defeat way more than him and don’t get the outright scapegoating that’s going on. I wouldn’t play him Saturday and other than the Liverpool games wouldn’t have played him much at all. I would have played Diouf, our best striker up front but that’s a completely different story!
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 3, 2016 10:09:58 GMT
Change midfielders for most of the team and I'd agree. I actually thought Bardsley played alright when he came on and Whelan did OK defensively covering for Muniesa's walkabouts. Also Bojan wasn't terrible, not great but not terrible. Everyone else deserves all the criticism they're getting (including Crouch). I don’t think Crouch played well but think several other players contributed to our defeat way more than him and don’t get the outright scapegoating that’s going on. I wouldn’t play him Saturday and other than the Liverpool games wouldn’t have played him much at all. I would have played Diouf, our best striker up front but that’s a completely different story! No one has made him the scapegoat though. No one has said we lost last because of him. I wouldn't have started him last night nor would I start him on Saturday. I'd start diouf every match but if Hughes doesn't want to play him there will be some reason we're not aware of.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 3, 2016 10:13:21 GMT
I don’t think Crouch played well but think several other players contributed to our defeat way more than him and don’t get the outright scapegoating that’s going on. I wouldn’t play him Saturday and other than the Liverpool games wouldn’t have played him much at all. I would have played Diouf, our best striker up front but that’s a completely different story! No one has made him the scapegoat though. They really have!
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 3, 2016 10:13:40 GMT
No one has made him the scapegoat though. They really have! Where?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 3, 2016 10:15:15 GMT
Have you seen the opening post in this very thread and the matchday thread for a start?
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Post by pez75 on Feb 3, 2016 10:15:35 GMT
Crouch did ok as far as the job he was asked to do. He won his headers and held the ball up as you would expect. I just think hughes got it wrong last night. He was hoping for a Liverpool mk2, but too many players were off their game last night. Only Bojan & Affelay deserve any credit really. I find it strange that Crouch has been singled out when Walters was particularly toss (again). He did not get close to Crouch, nor did he effectively run the right wing. He also offered Johnson little help with Martial who was their best player. I would drop Crouch because the system did not work. I would drop Walters because he was cack. Crouch probably won about 3 headers all night then literally gave up after that. He's not being 'singled out' but he also shouldn't be exonerated either. I disagree. I was sat with the ManUre fans and they were moaning a lot because of how many headers he was winning.
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 3, 2016 10:16:54 GMT
Have you seen the opening post in this very thread and the matchday thread for a start? Yes I have, he gets criticised.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 3, 2016 10:37:59 GMT
Crouch is a great option from the bench but he shouldn't be starting games in the league in my opinion. I like the guy but if there's one thing that does my nut in its the amount of times he gives away a foul for having his hands on the back of the defender when he's going for a header.
I'd go false 9 against Everton.
Butland
Johnson - Shawcross - Muni/Wolly - Pieters
Affelay - Whelan - Imbula
Shaqiri - Bojan - Arnie
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Post by Danstoke82 on Feb 3, 2016 13:17:48 GMT
Most of them were crap last night.
However its clear to most of us that Crouch isn't the answer was the lone front man and Hughes must see this fact by now??. Thats not an attack on Crouch personally nor am I singling him out but its bloody obvious that when Crouch plays our attack is all too slow and predictable, so may I suggest that Hughes and Diouf patch up their differences and start over?.
I must also point out Super Jon, Im a big fan of his but starting on the wing over Shaqiri? not for me.
Super Jon, like Crouch, should be subs off the bench as another option, not genuine starters anymore. Crouch then to be moved on in the summer.
Just my opinion mind.
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Post by skemstokie on Feb 3, 2016 13:21:44 GMT
He really does offer nothing, no pace cant hold the ball up and cant get into that yard of space to get a shot off. Same as Liverpool last week, cant fault his work rate though, but he just aint good enough for a team trying to push on into Europe. My team for Saturday --------------------Butland--------------- Johnson-----Wolly--------Muniesa------Pieters -------------Imbula----Whelan--------------- Shaqiri------------Bojan--------------Arnie -------------------Diouf-------------------- That to me = pace creativity and movement. Would not single out Crouch from last night,or anyone else it was a all round poor show,agree with team for Saturday though.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 3, 2016 13:27:17 GMT
Hopefully Hughes' mid season mental breakdown will end. Why Crouch has re-emerged I have no idea. Diouf should be given a game up top, if not him Joselu, who was starting to look good before being dropped for some reason. Get Shaqiri back on the right, and lets do what we are good and play football, not lump it up to Crouch for him to head it to Walters.
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Post by chad on Feb 3, 2016 13:30:32 GMT
Crouch offers a Plan B from the bench when losing. He shouldn't be starting games. My team for Saturday -------------Butland------------- Johnson ----Ryan*--Wolly---Pieters -----------Whelan---Imbula-------- Shaqiri-------Affellay------Arnie ---------------Bojan--------- *I reckon Ryan will be back on Saturday. Yes I'd go with that. If no goals by HT Dueiffy for Arnie
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Post by rich0529 on Feb 3, 2016 13:50:42 GMT
I'd be tempted to give Bojan a break as he looks like he needs a rest. I thought Ireland did well tonight however I'm stuck as to whether bring him in or move Afellay forward. I think because Everton have a strong midfield I'd go with the latter. I think we need to play with our strongest team and have a mobile striker who can put pressure on Stones when he has the ball. I'd go with ............Jack........... Glen....Ryan....Muni...Eric ......Imbula.....Whelan.... Shaq.......Afellay.....Arni ............Diouf.......... 100% agree mate, think it could be better maybe with Walters up front against Everton's defence, I like diouf and want to see him do well but for this game I think we need super john to win the ball and keep hold of it.
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Glen....Ryan....Muni...Eric
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Shaq.......Afellay.......Arni
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Post by kustokie on Feb 3, 2016 14:42:24 GMT
Let's face they all pretty dreadful and did not play as a team. The score was 3-0. So if you want to apportion blame: the defense own the 3, the forwards own the 0, the midfield and Hughes own both. This needs sorting PDQ.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 3, 2016 14:43:32 GMT
Crouch offers a Plan B from the bench when losing. He shouldn't be starting games. My team for Saturday -------------Butland------------- Johnson ----Ryan*--Wolly---Pieters -----------Whelan---Imbula-------- Shaqiri-------Affellay------Arnie ---------------Bojan--------- *I reckon Ryan will be back on Saturday. This is our best team.
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Post by musik on Feb 3, 2016 15:01:08 GMT
--------Butland Johnson - Teixeira - Muniesa - Pieters Shaqiri - Whelan - Ireland ---------Bojan Arnautovic - Joselu Subs: Haugaard, Bardsley, Affelay, Diouf, Crouch, Walters, Odemwingie According to this link www.premierleague.com/en-gb/clubs/profile.squads.html/stokeseveral players are injured: Given, Wilson, Cameron, Shawcross, Wollscheid, Adam, Imbula!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 15:38:47 GMT
----------------Butland------ Johnson---Shawx---Muniesa---Pieters ----------Whelan----Affellay Shaqiri--------Bojan----------Arnie ---------------Joselu----------------
This will be the team in my opinion
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Post by elystokie on Feb 3, 2016 16:01:47 GMT
----------------Butland------ Johnson---Shawx---Muniesa---Pieters ----------Whelan----Affellay Shaqiri--------Bojan----------Arnie ---------------Joselu---------------- This will be the team in my opinion If Shawcross is fit I reckon you're right. Imbula to come on for Bojan on 60 and Affelay to push into his position is what I'd do.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Feb 3, 2016 18:09:37 GMT
Crouch offers a Plan B from the bench when losing. He shouldn't be starting games. My team for Saturday -------------Butland------------- Johnson ----Ryan*--Wolly---Pieters -----------Whelan---Imbula-------- Shaqiri-------Affellay------Arnie ---------------Bojan--------- *I reckon Ryan will be back on Saturday. This is our best team. Yep id have some of that too. But still think joselu needs be given a run of games at some point.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 3, 2016 19:07:45 GMT
Well ...the guys Sparky rested for the FA Cup only chance to win anything game last week really pulled ip the trees last night didn't they. ????
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