|
Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 28, 2016 23:13:49 GMT
I'm not sure what his best position is supposed to be. When he was on loan at Altrincham he played much of the time as striker as scored a load of goals. They still revere him for that, but hardly good for his development if he is a centre back. I think it's always potentially a problem for versatile players even some in the current squad.
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie on Jan 28, 2016 23:33:56 GMT
I stand by my original post. Don't try and deflect any meaning from your post. You have an agenda against a previous manager and a certain current player. Any opportunity which gives you a twisted opportunity to continue your personal campaign and you'll try to exploit it End of I don't have any agenda mate. I respect Tony Pulis' contribution to this club a lot more than some on this forum. He's still a special person in Stokes history in my eyes, even if it did turn sour at the end and now. But you're fucking off your face if you think Shotton didn't have his career horribly mismanaged by Pulis. A young talented centre back was fucked about and played at right wing where he looked horribly out of his depth. At right back, he wasn't bad and yet Pulis continued to play him in all sorts of shoe horned roles whether it be left wing or up front. Shots could have been a bit of a Wilko. Instead his career has fallen away thanks mostly due to our ex manager. Simples. Beg your pardon but who made a comment about your perceptions. However why has the lad failed to prove his talent or his ability as a "talent ted centre back" or any other position to either of two supposedly renowned coaches? If not why not? I hope the lad prospers and earns a living out of football but as I said previously and will stand by my original post that certain posters on this board will try and manipulate any scenario to have a pop at a previous manager or current player to fit their personal agenda at the detriment of open and honest debate.
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Jan 28, 2016 23:44:10 GMT
I don't have any agenda mate. I respect Tony Pulis' contribution to this club a lot more than some on this forum. He's still a special person in Stokes history in my eyes, even if it did turn sour at the end and now. But you're fucking off your face if you think Shotton didn't have his career horribly mismanaged by Pulis. A young talented centre back was fucked about and played at right wing where he looked horribly out of his depth. At right back, he wasn't bad and yet Pulis continued to play him in all sorts of shoe horned roles whether it be left wing or up front. Shots could have been a bit of a Wilko. Instead his career has fallen away thanks mostly due to our ex manager. Simples. Beg your pardon but who made a comment about your perceptions. However why has the lad failed to prove his talent or his ability as a "talent ted centre back" or any other position to either of two supposedly renowned coaches? If not why not? I hope the lad prospers and earns a living out of football but as I said previously and will stand by my original post that certain posters on this board will try and manipulate any scenario to have a pop at a previous manager or current player to fit their personal agenda at the detriment of open and honest debate. so because Shotton was unable to convince Tony Pulis of his abilities as a right back, we should assume he wasn't good enough? It was too late by the time Hughes turned up, his career was irreparably fucked by Tony. Nothing wrong with an open and honest debate.... And in my honest opinion, Tony Pulis totally mismanaged Ryan Shotton. Happy?
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 29, 2016 0:57:58 GMT
|
|
gasy
Spectator
Posts: 33
|
Post by gasy on Jan 29, 2016 6:34:08 GMT
Shame he was always played out of position
In saying that he was always average in all honesty
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2016 7:05:08 GMT
Spoke to Ryan this week never mentioned a possible move !, I believe he has just bought the Black Lion in Cheddleton maybe looking longer term, never really rated him as a Prem. player tbh, Pulis ruined the lad as a player not the only one either, hung the lad out to dry playing him out of position again not the only one. Yeah I bet when, your mate Ryan was playing in the Prenier and Europa League at 22, he thought this fucker's killing my career. Ryan is not my mate !, not sure what league the Prenier is I never spoke to him about his thoughts on Pulis, I was expressing my opinion on how ruined him the next Gareth Bale
|
|
|
Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 29, 2016 8:16:42 GMT
Yeah I bet when, your mate Ryan was playing in the Prenier and Europa League at 22, he thought this fucker's killing my career. Ryan is not my mate !, not sure what league the Prenier is I never spoke to him about his thoughts on Pulis, I was expressing my opinion on how ruined him the next Gareth Bale Hanging on street corners like a teenage football groupie then. I see.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2016 8:20:54 GMT
Ryan is not my mate !, not sure what league the Prenier is I never spoke to him about his thoughts on Pulis, I was expressing my opinion on how ruined him the next Gareth Bale Hanging on street corners like a teenage football groupie then. I see. No Bin Laden I was in his pub at the time I spoke to him.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 8:22:36 GMT
This could be the move that makes him. Rowett is an excellent young manager who's two jobs to date have been pretty special.
Good luck to the lad.
|
|
|
Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 29, 2016 8:31:17 GMT
Hanging on street corners like a teenage football groupie then. I see. No Bin Laden I was in his pub at the time I spoke to him. I bet he was made up.
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Jan 29, 2016 9:02:36 GMT
Shame he was always played out of position In saying that he was always average in all honesty Always thought he was an ok right back.
|
|
gasy
Spectator
Posts: 33
|
Post by gasy on Jan 29, 2016 9:14:17 GMT
Shame he was always played out of position In saying that he was always average in all honesty Always thought he was an ok right back. He was ok but not prem quality If you were compare him to johnson, cameron, bardsley or wilko he surely wouldnt place ahead of any of them
|
|
|
Post by JC9 on Jan 29, 2016 9:17:42 GMT
He owns half of the black lion pub in cheddleton, I walked in there last Friday and he was behind the bar serving, was very strange to see a footballer who's on about £10,000 a week pulling pints
|
|
|
Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jan 29, 2016 9:19:11 GMT
Birmingham are just out of a play off places, on goal difference, in the Championship! I'm sure he cries himself to sleep every night asking where it all went wrong as he counts his 5, 10, 15 grand a week! Personally I thought he was ok at right back and should have a had a run there but Wilko had that place nailed down, at the time, gave as good performances as some strikers in the stikers role. Never let us down wherever he was asked to play. Pulis ruined him!
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Jan 29, 2016 9:46:28 GMT
He owns half of the black lion pub in cheddleton, I walked in there last Friday and he was behind the bar serving, was very strange to see a footballer who's on about £10,000 a week pulling pints Why? Perhaps he enjoys it. He's human after all. I pulled pints when I was 18 and i found it a surprisingly enjoyable job. Relaxing that's for sure. Nothing you can do long term the wages are awful but for Ryan that doesn't matter.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2016 10:40:12 GMT
No Bin Laden I was in his pub at the time I spoke to him. I bet he was made up. Why would he be made up ?, he speaks to most of his customers sort of goes with the territory in a pub, you are really strange are you still answering your own posts ?
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2016 10:43:59 GMT
Shame he was always played out of position In saying that he was always average in all honesty Always thought he was an ok right back. He was ok in defence perhaps not up to Prem. standard, pity some genius decided he was a winger/striker.
|
|
|
Post by JC9 on Jan 29, 2016 10:46:51 GMT
He owns half of the black lion pub in cheddleton, I walked in there last Friday and he was behind the bar serving, was very strange to see a footballer who's on about £10,000 a week pulling pints Why? Perhaps he enjoys it. He's human after all. I pulled pints when I was 18 and i found it a surprisingly enjoyable job. Relaxing that's for sure. Nothing you can do long term the wages are awful but for Ryan that doesn't matter. It is an enjoyable job I work in a pub, but if I played for Derby and was on 10 grand a week I definitely would not be pulling pints
|
|
|
Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 29, 2016 10:50:16 GMT
Why would he be made up ?, he speaks to most of his customers sort of goes with the territory in a pub, you are really strange are you still answering your own posts ? Oh you never said you saw him in the pub he works at, you made it sound like you 'see Ryan' a lot. I'm sure he values your custom and your incisive input. As for answering my own posts, that was an utter lie and only a cretinous fuckwit would believe it. Oh........
|
|
|
Post by StokieMatt on Jan 29, 2016 10:53:12 GMT
Always remember he stepped out of his Land Rover and walked in front of my car so I had to slam on my breaks.
I wish I ran the useless cunt over because that weekend he got sent off
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Jan 29, 2016 11:09:20 GMT
Always thought he was an ok right back. He was ok in defence perhaps not up to Prem. standard, pity some genius decided he was a winger/striker. If he'd been played consistently at right back, he may well have become Premier League standard. You get better with time, and experience. The Ryan Shawcross we have now, wasn't the Ryan Shawcross we signed for 1 million..... He was fucked over by Tony Pulis and it seems two agendas collide on this one, because the pro-Tony are all "oh he was given a chance by Tony, this is just an opportunity for the wankstains to bitch about Pulis" and the anti-Pulis are all "you're fucking deluded, stop wanking our ex manager off". I'm in neither camp, I'm just grateful for Tony's work but glad that he's gone..... However there's no doubt that he totally fucked Ryan Shotton's career up the wall, regardless of whether he's on 10 grand a week now or not.
|
|
|
Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 29, 2016 11:13:19 GMT
He was ok in defence perhaps not up to Prem. standard, pity some genius decided he was a winger/striker. If he'd been played consistently at right back, he may well have become Premier League standard. You get better with time, and experience. The Ryan Shawcross we have now, wasn't the Ryan Shawcross we signed for 1 million..... He was fucked over by Tony Pulis and it seems two agendas collide on this one, because the pro-Tony are all "oh he was given a chance by Tony, this is just an opportunity for the wankstains to bitch about Pulis" and the anti-Pulis are all "you're fucking deluded, stop wanking our ex manager off". I'm in neither camp, I'm just grateful for Tony's work but glad that he's gone..... However there's no doubt that he totally fucked Ryan Shotton's career up the wall, regardless of whether he's on 10 grand a week now or not. The wrong Shawcross? What? Who was it then?
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Jan 29, 2016 11:15:19 GMT
If he'd been played consistently at right back, he may well have become Premier League standard. You get better with time, and experience. The Ryan Shawcross we have now, wasn't the Ryan Shawcross we signed for 1 million..... He was fucked over by Tony Pulis and it seems two agendas collide on this one, because the pro-Tony are all "oh he was given a chance by Tony, this is just an opportunity for the wankstains to bitch about Pulis" and the anti-Pulis are all "you're fucking deluded, stop wanking our ex manager off". I'm in neither camp, I'm just grateful for Tony's work but glad that he's gone..... However there's no doubt that he totally fucked Ryan Shotton's career up the wall, regardless of whether he's on 10 grand a week now or not. The wrong Shawcross? What? Who was it then? Lol funny. My point is when we signed him, he was a young, raw centre back. He's grown into an absolutely colossal centre back.
|
|
|
Post by Kjones9 on Jan 29, 2016 11:19:11 GMT
Always thought he got too much unwarranted abuse. It seemed the fans just took an instant disliking to him (booing him, derogatory songs about him) not sure what it was.
I too thought he was a very capable right back.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2016 11:50:03 GMT
Why would he be made up ?, he speaks to most of his customers sort of goes with the territory in a pub, you are really strange are you still answering your own posts ? Oh you never said you saw him in the pub he works at, you made it sound like you 'see Ryan' a lot. I'm sure he values your custom and your incisive input. As for answering my own posts, that was an utter lie and only a cretinous fuckwit would believe it. Oh........ I see him about once a week, as for answering your own posts I assumed as the info. came from a member of admin it would be correct
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie on Jan 29, 2016 11:54:42 GMT
Beg your pardon but who made a comment about your perceptions. However why has the lad failed to prove his talent or his ability as a "talent ted centre back" or any other position to either of two supposedly renowned coaches? If not why not? I hope the lad prospers and earns a living out of football but as I said previously and will stand by my original post that certain posters on this board will try and manipulate any scenario to have a pop at a previous manager or current player to fit their personal agenda at the detriment of open and honest debate. so because Shotton was unable to convince Tony Pulis of his abilities as a right back, we should assume he wasn't good enough? It was too late by the time Hughes turned up, his career was irreparably fucked by Tony. Nothing wrong with an open and honest debate.... And in my honest opinion, Tony Pulis totally mismanaged Ryan Shotton. Happy? So neither McLaren or Clement could identify Tony Pulis's mismanagement and rectify the lads career?
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Jan 29, 2016 12:08:25 GMT
so because Shotton was unable to convince Tony Pulis of his abilities as a right back, we should assume he wasn't good enough? It was too late by the time Hughes turned up, his career was irreparably fucked by Tony. Nothing wrong with an open and honest debate.... And in my honest opinion, Tony Pulis totally mismanaged Ryan Shotton. Happy? So neither McLaren or Clement could identify Tony Pulis's mismanagement and rectify the lads career? You can't just rectify someone's career like that. The damage has already been done. When he was growing as a player and coming of age, he needed to be guided by Tony Pulis, not hung out to dry by being shoved into left wing etc. To expect other managers to work miracles is beyond fair. For me, his most natural position is right back, and that's when he looked his best for Derby. A prolonged period at right back will help him a lot.
|
|
|
Post by Bick on Jan 29, 2016 13:00:53 GMT
When I spoke to a mate of mine who is a derby season ticket holder, he said Shotton divided opinion. Some people thought he was their best defender, others thought he was by far the worst. Shotton was often wrongly scapegoated while at Stoke. A centre half shoe horned to right back that ended up playing right midfield. That shit biscuit lies with Pulis, not Ryan Shotton. All I saw from shotton was a local lad desperately trying to crack one of the hardest leagues in the world. I hope it works out for him. He wasn't up to playing CB at this level and was our best option at RB at the time. So Pulis should have played him at CB anyway, despite not being good enough. It was either that or never play and at least TP gave him a chance.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2016 13:21:27 GMT
When I spoke to a mate of mine who is a derby season ticket holder, he said Shotton divided opinion. Some people thought he was their best defender, others thought he was by far the worst. Shotton was often wrongly scapegoated while at Stoke. A centre half shoe horned to right back that ended up playing right midfield. That shit biscuit lies with Pulis, not Ryan Shotton. All I saw from shotton was a local lad desperately trying to crack one of the hardest leagues in the world. I hope it works out for him. He wasn't up to playing CB at this level and was our best option at RB at the time. So Pulis should have played him at CB anyway, despite not being good enough. It was either that or never play and at least TP gave him a chance. Indeed RB is his best position, Pulis the genius then played him on the wing or up front
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 13:29:38 GMT
He owns half of the black lion pub in cheddleton, I walked in there last Friday and he was behind the bar serving, was very strange to see a footballer who's on about £10,000 a week pulling pints Why? Perhaps he enjoys it. He's human after all. I pulled pints when I was 18 and i found it a surprisingly enjoyable job. Relaxing that's for sure. Nothing you can do long term the wages are awful but for Ryan that doesn't matter. He shops in Tesco as well. He spent less than me, the tight git. :-D
|
|