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Post by kevkj on Jan 14, 2016 11:19:05 GMT
I think we desperately need one ,whilst I think both Whelan and Affelay are good players. I think they are an awful pairing as defensive midfielders.Too easy to run through and a lack of stature and strength combined. We win nothing aerially also in their..
I think we desperately need a big powerhouse in midfield to possibly replace Whelan as Affelay is a better passer.
We require someone with stature and presence similar to Tete for them last night .Basically an upgrade on Glen .Cameron sometimes looks the part then just as easily doesn't.
Also we lack pace wide and need a raw winger with pace ,specifically to bring on late in games against tired defenders,cant believe we weren't in for Demiri Gray who went from Brum to Leicester for peanuts last week.Raw speedmerchant.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jan 14, 2016 11:20:56 GMT
Desperately or would be a good addition to a already quality squad?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 11:24:31 GMT
We won't be signing a midfielder this January. You're forgetting Hughes doesn't dislike Adam and van Ginkel either and to be honest neither do I.
Wouldn't mind Nathan Redmund.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 14, 2016 11:26:42 GMT
Redmond was terrible when he came on but generally he's decent. Should of signed him a few years ago.
Cameron and Affelay for me in defensive midfield. Whelan just did my box in last night.
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Post by Bombus on Jan 14, 2016 11:27:28 GMT
Desperately or would be a good addition to a already quality squad? To you for the first time ever +1 |
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Post by maliciousdamage on Jan 14, 2016 11:38:00 GMT
I'd try to tempt Andre Ayew away from Swansea he looked just what we need in recent games strong skill full will put a shift in box to box
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 14, 2016 11:47:11 GMT
I'd try to tempt Andre Ayew away from Swansea he looked just what we need in recent games strong skill full will put a shift in box to box They paid £15 million for him and he's only been there since the Summer. |
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Post by silverdollar on Jan 14, 2016 11:47:50 GMT
I think we desperately need one ,whilst I think both Whelan and Affelay are good players. I think they are an awful pairing as defensive midfielders.Too easy to run through and a lack of stature and strength combined. We win nothing aerially also in their.. I think we desperately need a big powerhouse in midfield to possibly replace Whelan as Affelay is a better passer. We require someone with stature and presence similar to Tete for them last night .Basically an upgrade on Glen .Cameron sometimes looks the part then just as easily doesn't. Also we lack pace wide and need a raw winger with pace ,specifically to bring on late in games against tired defenders,cant believe we weren't in for Demiri Gray who went from Brum to Leicester for peanuts last week.Raw speedmerchant. You are seriously doing our present midfield players a serious injustice! I do like the comment about Ayew at Swansea but having read the opening comment, and I am always looking to improve on what we have , I'd like you to possibly make some suggestions of who you have in mind as "defensive powerhouses"? |
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 14, 2016 11:51:27 GMT
I'd try to tempt Andre Ayew away from Swansea he looked just what we need in recent games strong skill full will put a shift in box to box They paid £15 million for him and he's only been there since the Summer. He was a free transfer |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 14, 2016 11:54:20 GMT
Ayew hasn't got a defensive bone in his body has he?
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Post by adamsson on Jan 14, 2016 11:54:46 GMT
They paid £15 million for him and he's only been there since the Summer. He was a free transfer and he is a striker not a defensive midfielder  |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 14, 2016 11:55:29 GMT
My apologies, I really thought they paid serious dosh for him. He must be on enormous wages. Where would he fit in with us as he's a 'wide forward' more than anything? Good player though.
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Post by miggo on Jan 14, 2016 12:05:26 GMT
They paid £15 million for him and he's only been there since the Summer. He was a free transfer It was reported at the time that He had a £15m signing on fee which I'm sure was later confirmed at around £6m. However we have Adam, v.Ginkel, Affelay, Cameron, Whelan and even forgotten man Ireland to play there if necessary. I'd be surprised if we didn't sign V.Ginkel perm at the end of the year and Afellay looks better every game. I can't see another coming in yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 12:06:14 GMT
Be interesting to see if the Imbula situation develops now Porto have a new manager. A Wollscheid styled loan to perm would work wonders for us.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jan 14, 2016 12:09:31 GMT
Imbula looks the man we could do with.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Jan 14, 2016 12:09:33 GMT
Redmond was terrible when he came on but generally he's decent. Should of signed him a few years ago. Cameron and Affelay for me in defensive midfield. Whelan just did my box in last night. What on earth did Whelan do wrong last night? I can't remember any stray passes. Yes, he passes it sideways and backwards but I am fine with that if it helps us to keep possession for a while and take the heat out of a situation or two. |
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Post by stokemark on Jan 14, 2016 12:15:45 GMT
It was reported at the time that He had a £15m signing on fee which I'm sure was later confirmed at around £6m. However we have Adam, v.Ginkel, Affelay, Cameron, Whelan and even forgotten man Ireland to play there if necessary. I'd be surprised if we didn't sign V.Ginkel perm at the end of the year and Afellay looks better every game. I can't see another coming in yet. I agree with the original poster I also need to be hard on this response and those players as a whole Adam is not and never will be a 'powerhouse' and can only be properly utilized as an attacking midfielder if at all Van Ginkel - On loan, not shown enough to justify an investment in him Cameron - Come on - Geoff's been tried in every position possible yet remains a utility player without portfolio Whelan - Well we are looking to supplement him and replace him in the longer term Affelay - An attacking midfielder and a revelation Ireland - Hasnt a defensive bone in his body The other option not mentioned is Sidwell who is shit. Reality is we need to ship out Adam, Van Ginkel, Ireland and Sidwell (none of them good enough) and build a midfield around Whelan / Affelay knowing that Whelan will need to be replaced thus that is arguably two new 'powerhouse' midfielders we are short of. Quantity - Yes Quality - No |
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Jan 14, 2016 12:16:47 GMT
I'm desperately worried about this and it keeps me awake at night. Here we are in imminent danger of relegation. Have I got that right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 12:20:37 GMT
Redmond was terrible when he came on but generally he's decent. Should of signed him a few years ago. Cameron and Affelay for me in defensive midfield. Whelan just did my box in last night. What on earth did Whelan do wrong last night? I can't remember any stray passes. Yes, he passes it sideways and backwards but I am fine with that if it helps us to keep possession for a while and take the heat out of a situation or two. Taking the heat out of attack is an issue though. There were a few occasions where he stood still with the ball and you could hear the hamster wheel in his head. Also a God awful pass to Shawcross that their striker nearly capitalised on. He just looks a bit worn out and should be used a little more sparingly between now and May if we get a new DM in. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 14, 2016 12:22:05 GMT
I'm desperately worried about this and it keeps me awake at night. Here we are in imminent danger of relegation. Have I got that right? At last, a man who talks sense on this board!  |
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Post by miggo on Jan 14, 2016 12:29:17 GMT
It was reported at the time that He had a £15m signing on fee which I'm sure was later confirmed at around £6m. However we have Adam, v.Ginkel, Affelay, Cameron, Whelan and even forgotten man Ireland to play there if necessary. I'd be surprised if we didn't sign V.Ginkel perm at the end of the year and Afellay looks better every game. I can't see another coming in yet. I agree with the original poster I also need to be hard on this response and those players as a whole Adam is not and never will be a 'powerhouse' and can only be properly utilized as an attacking midfielder if at all Van Ginkel - On loan, not shown enough to justify an investment in him Cameron - Come on - Geoff's been tried in every position possible yet remains a utility player without portfolio Whelan - Well we are looking to supplement him and replace him in the longer term Affelay - An attacking midfielder and a revelation Ireland - Hasnt a defensive bone in his body The other option not mentioned is Sidwell who is shit. Reality is we need to ship out Adam, Van Ginkel, Ireland and Sidwell (none of them good enough) and build a midfield around Whelan / Affelay knowing that Whelan will need to be replaced thus that is arguably two new 'powerhouse' midfielders we are short of. Quantity - Yes Quality - No Perhaps. Harsh on v.Ginkel I reckon he's gotten stronger as the season has progressed despite not playing consistently. |
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Post by maliciousdamage on Jan 14, 2016 12:34:16 GMT
I'd try to tempt Andre Ayew away from Swansea he looked just what we need in recent games strong skill full will put a shift in box to box They paid £15 million for him and he's only been there since the Summer. Wonder if he has a release clause, he will no doubt be leaving if they go down, if not him definitely someone of his mould for me, difficult to find i know hence why they probably paid the 15, pity they didn't spend it on a decent replacement for Bony! |
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Post by Bick on Jan 14, 2016 13:01:52 GMT
Van Ginkle looks better every time I see him....
Give him a run.
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Post by lordb on Jan 14, 2016 13:09:29 GMT
It was reported at the time that He had a £15m signing on fee which I'm sure was later confirmed at around £6m. However we have Adam, v.Ginkel, Affelay, Cameron, Whelan and even forgotten man Ireland to play there if necessary. I'd be surprised if we didn't sign V.Ginkel perm at the end of the year and Afellay looks better every game. I can't see another coming in yet. I agree with the original poster I also need to be hard on this response and those players as a whole Adam is not and never will be a 'powerhouse' and can only be properly utilized as an attacking midfielder if at all Van Ginkel - On loan, not shown enough to justify an investment in him Cameron - Come on - Geoff's been tried in every position possible yet remains a utility player without portfolio Whelan - Well we are looking to supplement him and replace him in the longer term Affelay - An attacking midfielder and a revelation Ireland - Hasnt a defensive bone in his body The other option not mentioned is Sidwell who is shit. Reality is we need to ship out Adam, Van Ginkel, Ireland and Sidwell (none of them good enough) and build a midfield around Whelan / Affelay knowing that Whelan will need to be replaced thus that is arguably two new 'powerhouse' midfielders we are short of. Quantity - Yes Quality - No disagree re Charlie Adam but otherwise agree with all that might be a bit hard on Geoff too however his inocnistincy is frustrating still no need to panic buy |
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Post by lordb on Jan 14, 2016 13:13:04 GMT
Van Ginkle looks better every time I see him.... Give him a run. opinions eh! I have the opposite view |
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Post by reddipotter on Jan 14, 2016 13:14:55 GMT
What on earth did Whelan do wrong last night? I can't remember any stray passes. Yes, he passes it sideways and backwards but I am fine with that if it helps us to keep possession for a while and take the heat out of a situation or two. Taking the heat out of attack is an issue though. There were a few occasions where he stood still with the ball and you could hear the hamster wheel in his head. Also a God awful pass to Shawcross that their striker nearly capitalised on. He just looks a bit worn out and should be used a little more sparingly between now and May if we get a new DM in. I thought he played very well last night and showed that we can play with one defensive midfielder at least against teams who will look to stay tight. He stood still with the ball because there was very little movement from the forwards in front of him. This is a much bigger problem at the moment. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 14, 2016 13:18:26 GMT
Keep Adam as he's still got that game-changer ability if we are chasing a game.
Van Ginkel, Ireland & Sidwell can all be moved on.
Whelan's form cannot be always relied upon indeed and yes both him an Affelay do lack that big strong physical side of their game.
Look at Kante at Leicester who has been the fulcrum starting off many of their attacks on the counter
Song at West Ham also
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Post by chrisparker on Jan 14, 2016 13:25:46 GMT
It was reported at the time that He had a £15m signing on fee which I'm sure was later confirmed at around £6m. However we have Adam, v.Ginkel, Affelay, Cameron, Whelan and even forgotten man Ireland to play there if necessary. I'd be surprised if we didn't sign V.Ginkel perm at the end of the year and Afellay looks better every game. I can't see another coming in yet. I agree with the original poster I also need to be hard on this response and those players as a whole Adam is not and never will be a 'powerhouse' and can only be properly utilized as an attacking midfielder if at all Van Ginkel - On loan, not shown enough to justify an investment in him Cameron - Come on - Geoff's been tried in every position possible yet remains a utility player without portfolio Whelan - Well we are looking to supplement him and replace him in the longer term Affelay - An attacking midfielder and a revelation Ireland - Hasnt a defensive bone in his body The other option not mentioned is Sidwell who is shit. Reality is we need to ship out Adam, Van Ginkel, Ireland and Sidwell (none of them good enough) and build a midfield around Whelan / Affelay knowing that Whelan will need to be replaced thus that is arguably two new 'powerhouse' midfielders we are short of. Quantity - Yes Quality - No Adam should & will stay. The others can go if need be. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 14, 2016 13:28:41 GMT
I think we desperately need one ,whilst I think both Whelan and Affelay are good players. I think they are an awful pairing as defensive midfielders.Too easy to run through and a lack of stature and strength combined. We win nothing aerially also in their.. I think we desperately need a big powerhouse in midfield to possibly replace Whelan as Affelay is a better passer. We require someone with stature and presence similar to Tete for them last night .Basically an upgrade on Glen .Cameron sometimes looks the part then just as easily doesn't. Also we lack pace wide and need a raw winger with pace ,specifically to bring on late in games against tired defenders,cant believe we weren't in for Demiri Gray who went from Brum to Leicester for peanuts last week.Raw speedmerchant. In terms of your midfield comments I think you're ignoring the fact that to break these teams down that come for the point, we might need to be a bit more open ourselves. 2 defensive midfielders in games like last night isn't the way forward in my mind. As a line up, I thought the balance was right last night. We can play better for sure but we created lots of good "situations" where the final pass or cross just let us down |
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Post by lordb on Jan 14, 2016 13:30:10 GMT
I think we 'need' (well want) an all-round midfielder of quality
someone who can do a bit of everythimg
no idea who!
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