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Post by chrisparker on Jan 6, 2016 10:27:15 GMT
------------ Butland -------------
Glen -- Ryan -- Wolly -- Pieters
------ Whelan ---- Affelay ------
Shaqiri --- Adam --- Arnautovic
------------- Bojan --------------
------------- Butland -------------
Glen -- Ryan -- Wolly -- Muniesa
---- Van Ginkel --- Affelay ------
Shaqiri ---- Bojan --- Arnautovic
----- Walters/ Joselu/ Diouf -----
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Post by kustokie on Jan 6, 2016 10:29:08 GMT
Not much.
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Post by liamo on Jan 6, 2016 10:32:52 GMT
I'd like the first one if we dropped Adam and put Bojan No.10 and played Joselu up front
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Post by kustokie on Jan 6, 2016 10:38:49 GMT
Sorry, shouldn't have been a wise-ass. What's your thinking?
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 6, 2016 10:42:32 GMT
------------ Butland ------------- Glen -- Ryan -- Wolly -- Pieters ------ Whelan ---- Affelay ------ Shaqiri --- Adam --- Arnautovic ------------- Bojan -------------- ------------- Butland ------------- Glen -- Ryan -- Wolly -- Muniesa---- Van Ginkel --- Affelay ------ Shaqiri ---- Bojan --- Arnautovic ----- Walters/ Joselu/ Diouf ----- Better IMO |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 6, 2016 10:44:32 GMT
------------ Butland ------------- Glen -- Ryan -- Wolly -- Pieters ------ Whelan ---- Affelay ------ Shaqiri --- Adam --- Arnautovic ------------- Bojan -------------- ------------- Butland ------------- Glen -- Ryan -- Wolly -- Muniesa ---- Van Ginkel --- Affelay ------ Shaqiri ---- Bojan --- Arnautovic ----- Walters/ Joselu/ Diouf ----- Bojan isn't a conventional lone striker, that's the problem with the first one - it's false 9 or in the hole for him. The second one - who's your holding midfielder? |
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 6, 2016 10:51:02 GMT
I'm 100% certain that Mark Hughes knows better than anyone on this board what formation too use in Stoke games, what Hughes cannot guarantee though is whether his players will be better on the day than the oppositions and last night our players weren't better and that's why we lost.
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Post by chrisparker on Jan 6, 2016 10:56:44 GMT
Sorry, shouldn't have been a wise-ass. What's your thinking? Well based on today's performance, I think we really need to be a bit more adventurous in possession. Too many back passes, too many sideways passes. Need to be a bit more direct. Affelay is a good player but he just keeps dropping deeper & deeper throughout the game. In fact even in the game against United & Everton, he was basically a 3rd holding midfield player. This leaves the front 3 completely isolated. Has he ever made a run behind the opposition backline? I don't think so. I think his natural position is a deeper role in midfield. We need someone who will support the from 3 & I think it's fair to say Charlie did a great job for us in that position last season. I'd be tempted to give him another chance. But he also needs to track back so that we aren't outrun in midfield. Cameron doesn't have the creativity to play in the centre of midfield. The 2nd formation is just experimenting. Against defensive teams like Wes Brom & Palace, we don't need to play 2 holding midfield players. Van Ginkel will offer yet another attacking outlet. |
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Post by chrisparker on Jan 6, 2016 10:58:21 GMT
I'm 100% certain that Mark Hughes knows better than anyone on this board what formation too use in Stoke games, what Hughes cannot guarantee though is whether his players will be better on the day than the oppositions and last night our players weren't better and that's why we lost. Of course, hey I was just asking what you thought about the formations. I'm not suggesting that we necessarily play like that. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 6, 2016 11:05:26 GMT
Sorry, shouldn't have been a wise-ass. What's your thinking? Well based on today's performance, I think we really need to be a bit more adventurous in possession. Too many back passes, too many sideways passes. Need to be a bit more direct. Affelay is a good player but he just keeps dropping deeper & deeper throughout the game. In fact even in the game against United & Everton, he was basically a 3rd holding midfield player. This leaves the front 3 completely isolated. Has he ever made a run behind the opposition backline? I don't think so. I think his natural position is a deeper role in midfield. We need someone who will support the from 3 & I think it's fair to say Charlie did a great job for us in that position last season. I'd be tempted to give him another chance. But he also needs to track back so that we aren't outrun in midfield. Cameron doesn't have the creativity to play in the centre of midfield. The 2nd formation is just experimenting. Against defensive teams like Wes Brom & Palace, we don't need to play 2 holding midfield players. Van Ginkel will offer yet another attacking outlet. You still need balance in your team even against defensive teams. When we dropped the holding midfielder in home games last season we never won these 'winnable' games. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 11:16:26 GMT
Butland
Johnson Ryan Wolly Pieters
Cameron Whelan
Shaq Afellay Arnie
Joselu
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 11:30:01 GMT
For me it's time to Joselu a regular start up front. Give him a run of games. We need someone who can finish. Could he be the answer? Maybe, methinks. These bit part appearances do not help him in anyway.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 6, 2016 11:39:28 GMT
I don't think we would get away with playing 13 players for the second formation  |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 6, 2016 15:44:55 GMT
Oatcake Mourinho.
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Post by Davef on Jan 6, 2016 16:39:13 GMT
I'm 100% certain that Mark Hughes knows better than anyone on this board what formation too use in Stoke games, what Hughes cannot guarantee though is whether his players will be better on the day than the oppositions and last night our players weren't better and that's why we lost. Great point Obi-wan. |
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Post by oslostokie1 on Jan 6, 2016 17:35:12 GMT
I'd like the first one if we dropped Adam and put Bojan No.10 and played Joselu up front This should be the line up for the Norwich game |
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Post by oslostokie1 on Jan 6, 2016 17:37:33 GMT
Sorry, shouldn't have been a wise-ass. What's your thinking? Well based on today's performance, I think we really need to be a bit more adventurous in possession. Too many back passes, too many sideways passes. Need to be a bit more direct. Affelay is a good player but he just keeps dropping deeper & deeper throughout the game. In fact even in the game against United & Everton, he was basically a 3rd holding midfield player. This leaves the front 3 completely isolated. Has he ever made a run behind the opposition backline? I don't think so. I think his natural position is a deeper role in midfield. We need someone who will support the from 3 & I think it's fair to say Charlie did a great job for us in that position last season. I'd be tempted to give him another chance. But he also needs to track back so that we aren't outrun in midfield. Cameron doesn't have the creativity to play in the centre of midfield. The 2nd formation is just experimenting. Against defensive teams like Wes Brom & Palace, we don't need to play 2 holding midfield players. Van Ginkel will offer yet another attacking outlet. I agree with your comments about Afellay but believe that he must have the ability to get into the box and support the front three as he has done it often enough in his career and is only 29 so has plenty of legs still. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 6, 2016 17:44:13 GMT
If our best players play how they played last night the system is irrelevant. The end result would be a crap performance.
Equally, play to a man as we did against man city, again the system would be irrelevant.
Players performances make systems a success or failure.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 6, 2016 18:15:49 GMT
Against those who'll sit back and attempt to stifle us:
------------------Butland----------------------
--------Wollscheid Shawcross Pieters-----------
-----Johnson Whelan Afellay Arnautovic--------
-----------------Bojan {Shaqiri}--------------
--------------Diouf Joselu--------------------
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 18:25:48 GMT
Dunna matter what anyone thinks. Hughes and bowen pick the team and formation not the oatcake
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 21:10:18 GMT
we are missing pace up front
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jan 7, 2016 12:49:59 GMT
we are missing pace up front I agree ..Diuof needs a run..our paciest forward and best goalscorer last season. |
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