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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 14:10:49 GMT
The man could silence on a Christmas party, he has the personality of a cabbage.
I understand he has to make the last 8 to keep his job, if, and it's a bloody big IF he somehow manages that he might equal my love of the former England manager Don Revie.
In short GET RID OF HIM PLEASE he is a dinosaur.
England need a revolution with a manager like Pep Guardiola and the FA have the funds to make it happen.
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Post by wokinghampotter on Dec 14, 2015 19:29:28 GMT
And will see Woy at the Brit this year? At the most once or perhaps at the Man City game next year. He's been already. To look at Butland. Who he then picked. Hodgson stupid non selection of Shawcross does not mean he has an anti Stoke agenda. That notion is even more stupid. I obviously missed that occasion. Which game was it as I do look up there to see who is about? Cheers
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Post by Waggy on Dec 15, 2015 6:17:20 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 15, 2015 7:38:10 GMT
The man could silence on a Christmas party, he has the personality of a cabbage. I understand he has to make the last 8 to keep his job, if, and it's a bloody big IF he somehow manages that he might equal my love of the former England manager Don Revie. In short GET RID OF HIM PLEASE he is a dinosaur. England need a revolution with a manager like Pep Guardiola and the FA have the funds to make it happen. What Pep has achieved is the result of intense work with players as individuals and as a collective. International managers don't have enough time with players to do it. Also English players aren't good enough to play his way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 8:46:33 GMT
Worst England team in my lifetime with arguably the worst ever manager. What could possibly go wrong???
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 15, 2015 8:48:46 GMT
Worst England team in my lifetime with arguably the worst ever manager. What could possibly go wrong??? It's neither. What 'argument' is there that he's worse than McClaren, Taylor or Keegan? Is this worse than the Euro 92 team with Keith Curle, Carlton Palmer and Andy Sinton?
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Post by fca47 on Dec 15, 2015 8:55:49 GMT
Worst England team in my lifetime with arguably the worst ever manager. What could possibly go wrong??? It's neither. What 'argument' is there that he's worse than McClaren, Taylor or Keegan? Is this worse than the Euro 92 team with Keith Curle, Carlton Palmer and Andy Sinton? It's a toss up, it at least had some good forwards, Linecker , Shearer etc. Can't think of an outstanding player in this entire squad.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 15, 2015 8:56:04 GMT
Worst England team in my lifetime with arguably the worst ever manager. What could possibly go wrong??? It's neither. What 'argument' is there that he's worse than McClaren, Taylor or Keegan? Is this worse than the Euro 92 team with Keith Curle, Carlton Palmer and Andy Sinton? Mind blowing selections - check Naive tactics - check Crackpot quotes to the press - check He's the perfect England boss.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 15, 2015 8:58:27 GMT
It's neither. What 'argument' is there that he's worse than McClaren, Taylor or Keegan? Is this worse than the Euro 92 team with Keith Curle, Carlton Palmer and Andy Sinton? Mind blowing selections - check Naive tactics - check Crackpot quotes to the press - check He's the perfect England boss. Picks the media favourites - check. I'd have Graham Taylor over this clown any day of the week.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 15, 2015 9:02:57 GMT
Mind blowing selections - check Naive tactics - check Crackpot quotes to the press - check He's the perfect England boss. Picks the media favourites - check. I'd have Graham Taylor over this clown any day of the week. He gets crucified for picking the media favourites and crucified for picking players in form. He gets crucified for picking players from the top teams and crucified for going to watch perennial champions, erm, Southampton. He gets crucified for not picking Butland and then when he does he's "hanging him out to dry". Taylor (like Hodgson) seems like a thoroughly decent bloke but he was never an England manager - he was a long-ball merchant. He ignored the likes of Chris Waddle and picked mediocre players like Sinton. We scored one goal in three games at Euro 92 with performances every bit as bad if not worse than the ones we saw at the last world cup and then failed to get us to USA '94. How was Taylor better than Hodgson, sorry?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 15, 2015 9:04:25 GMT
It's neither. What 'argument' is there that he's worse than McClaren, Taylor or Keegan? Is this worse than the Euro 92 team with Keith Curle, Carlton Palmer and Andy Sinton? Mind blowing selections - check Naive tactics - check Crackpot quotes to the press - check He's the perfect England boss. He's been a thoroughly average England boss. Not great, not abysmal. Middling. If it wasn't for the Shawcross thing he wouldn't get one iota of the abuse he gets on here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 9:05:31 GMT
Worst England team in my lifetime with arguably the worst ever manager. What could possibly go wrong??? It's neither. What 'argument' is there that he's worse than McClaren, Taylor or Keegan? Is this worse than the Euro 92 team with Keith Curle, Carlton Palmer and Andy Sinton? You've obviously selected the comedy names there. On the flip side Sven was as close to winning the world cup as we'll get for a long time with Trevor Sinclair in the starting 11. In my opinion, England 92 could beat the current 11 picked by the owl. I could probably name the 11 Taylor started against Sweden but I couldn't say the same for the last England game a few weeks back. Euro 2012 was bad, but the World Cup was embarrassing. He should have walked then if he had any dignity. His squad is shit (not completely his fault) but he has neither the tactical nous or motivational qualities to get players to up their game when it counts.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 15, 2015 9:06:06 GMT
It's neither. What 'argument' is there that he's worse than McClaren, Taylor or Keegan? Is this worse than the Euro 92 team with Keith Curle, Carlton Palmer and Andy Sinton? It's a toss up, it at least had some good forwards, Linecker , Shearer etc. Can't think of an outstanding player in this entire squad. Maybe, but we have a lot of very promising young players coming through.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 15, 2015 9:07:43 GMT
Picks the media favourites - check. I'd have Graham Taylor over this clown any day of the week. He gets crucified for picking the media favourites and crucified for picking players in form. He gets crucified for picking players from the top teams and crucified for going to watch perennial champions, erm, Southampton. He gets crucified for not picking Butland and then when he does he's "hanging him out to dry". Taylor (like Hodgson) seems like a thoroughly decent bloke but he was never an England manager - he was a long-ball merchant. He ignored the likes of Chris Waddle and picked mediocre players like Sinton. We scored one goal in three games at Euro 92 with performances every bit as bad if not worse than the ones we saw at the last world cup and then failed to get us to USA '94. How was Taylor better than Hodgson, sorry? He doesn't pick players in form though does he? He repeatedly picks players out of form, like Wayne Rooney, like Jack Wilshere (when he's not broke), like Walcott, like any number of others who are a shoe in because of name and club. As for hanging Butland out to dry, I've never said that, but he also picked Jack when Hughes asked him not too because of injury, so yes, he's a twat about that too.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 15, 2015 9:09:20 GMT
It's neither. What 'argument' is there that he's worse than McClaren, Taylor or Keegan? Is this worse than the Euro 92 team with Keith Curle, Carlton Palmer and Andy Sinton? You've obviously selected the comedy names there. On the flip side Sven was as close to winning the world cup as we'll get for a long time with Trevor Sinclair in the starting 11. In my opinion, England 92 could beat the current 11 picked by the owl. I could probably name the 11 Taylor started against Sweden but I couldn't say the same for the last England game a few weeks back. Euro 2012 was bad, but the World Cup was embarrassing. He should have walked then if he had any dignity. His squad is shit (not completely his fault) but he has neither the tactical nous or motivational qualities to get players to up their game when it counts. Few England managers of recent times have either though have they? The 'comedy names' are the reasons why he's not the worst England manager ever. Looking at the 11 Taylor started against Sweden (Woods, Batty, Keown, Walker, Pearce, Daley, Webb, Palmer, Sinton, Platt, Lineker), I think there's maybe four there, five at an absolute push who'd get into this England side.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 15, 2015 9:10:05 GMT
He gets crucified for picking the media favourites and crucified for picking players in form. He gets crucified for picking players from the top teams and crucified for going to watch perennial champions, erm, Southampton. He gets crucified for not picking Butland and then when he does he's "hanging him out to dry". Taylor (like Hodgson) seems like a thoroughly decent bloke but he was never an England manager - he was a long-ball merchant. He ignored the likes of Chris Waddle and picked mediocre players like Sinton. We scored one goal in three games at Euro 92 with performances every bit as bad if not worse than the ones we saw at the last world cup and then failed to get us to USA '94. How was Taylor better than Hodgson, sorry? He doesn't pick players in form though does he? He repeatedly picks players out of form, like Wayne Rooney, like Jack Wilshere (when he's not broke), like Walcott, like any number of others who are a shoe in because of name and club. As for hanging Butland out to dry, I've never said that, but he also picked Jack when Hughes asked him not too because of injury, so yes, he's a twat about that too. Vardy - player in form. Dier - player in form. Alli - player in form. Butland - player in form.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 15, 2015 9:11:03 GMT
Mind blowing selections - check Naive tactics - check Crackpot quotes to the press - check He's the perfect England boss. He's been a thoroughly average England boss. Not great, not abysmal. Middling. If it wasn't for the Shawcross thing he wouldn't get one iota of the abuse he gets on here. He oversaw England's worst EVER performance in a World Cup Finals. To me that is abysmal and he shouldn't be in the job. Just because he is better than other very poor national bosses doesn't mean he should be England manager. How confident are you that he will go into another championships and pick the right side and employ the correct tactics? Nobody, given his record, could say they would be. Time for the next cab on the rank, whether that's Neville, Southgate, Pardew or some johnny foreigner.
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Post by fca47 on Dec 15, 2015 9:15:38 GMT
If Roy can't get them through that group he should be sacked on the spot, never mind any contract extension.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 15, 2015 9:19:30 GMT
He's been a thoroughly average England boss. Not great, not abysmal. Middling. If it wasn't for the Shawcross thing he wouldn't get one iota of the abuse he gets on here. He oversaw England's worst EVER performance in a World Cup Finals. To me that is abysmal and he shouldn't be in the job. Just because he is better than other very poor national bosses doesn't mean he should be England manager. How confident are you that he will go into another championships and pick the right side and employ the correct tactics? Nobody, given his record, could say they would be. Time for the next cab on the rank, whether that's Neville, Southgate, Pardew or some johnny foreigner. I agree, he should go after the Euros whatever happens. But he hasn't been the disaster zone people make out and he isn't the joker people make out. He's blooded the youngsters, which may end up serving us very well in the future, and he's been a bit of stability, if uninspiring at times, after the Capello circus. I've disagreed with a lot of what he's done and the World Cup was a disaster, but his tenure could have been worse.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 15, 2015 9:24:43 GMT
He doesn't pick players in form though does he? He repeatedly picks players out of form, like Wayne Rooney, like Jack Wilshere (when he's not broke), like Walcott, like any number of others who are a shoe in because of name and club. As for hanging Butland out to dry, I've never said that, but he also picked Jack when Hughes asked him not too because of injury, so yes, he's a twat about that too. Vardy - player in form. Dier - player in form. Alli - player in form. Butland - player in form. Yeah, he picked Vardy and played him left wing to accommodate Rooney. So the top English goal scorer was shoe horned to accommodate a guy who has barely scored.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 15, 2015 9:44:32 GMT
Vardy - player in form. Dier - player in form. Alli - player in form. Butland - player in form. Yeah, he picked Vardy and played him left wing to accommodate Rooney. So the top English goal scorer was shoe horned to accommodate a guy who has barely scored. He's not perfect and Rooney as an untouchable for club and country is bizarre. It's not true that he refuses to pick players on form though.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 15, 2015 10:49:02 GMT
Yeah, he picked Vardy and played him left wing to accommodate Rooney. So the top English goal scorer was shoe horned to accommodate a guy who has barely scored. He's not perfect and Rooney as an untouchable for club and country is bizarre. It's not true that he refuses to pick players on form though. Except Ryan Shawcross.....
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 15, 2015 11:05:05 GMT
He's not perfect and Rooney as an untouchable for club and country is bizarre. It's not true that he refuses to pick players on form though. Except Ryan Shawcross..... Ryan Shawcross, Scott Dann, Jason Puncheon, Mark Noble and Wilfred Zaha dislike this.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 15, 2015 11:09:41 GMT
He's not perfect and Rooney as an untouchable for club and country is bizarre. It's not true that he refuses to pick players on form though. Except Ryan Shawcross..... And that's what this is really all about isn't it?
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Post by metalhead on Dec 15, 2015 11:49:58 GMT
Except Ryan Shawcross..... Ryan Shawcross, Scott Dann, Jason Puncheon, Mark Noble and Wilfred Zaha dislike this. Nathan Dyer?
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Post by metalhead on Dec 15, 2015 11:50:22 GMT
Except Ryan Shawcross..... And that's what this is really all about isn't it? Not really.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 11:56:44 GMT
The man could silence on a Christmas party, he has the personality of a cabbage. I understand he has to make the last 8 to keep his job, if, and it's a bloody big IF he somehow manages that he might equal my love of the former England manager Don Revie. In short GET RID OF HIM PLEASE he is a dinosaur. England need a revolution with a manager like Pep Guardiola and the FA have the funds to make it happen. What Pep has achieved is the result of intense work with players as individuals and as a collective. International managers don't have enough time with players to do it. Also English players aren't good enough to play his way. English players aren't good enough because they are taught HOOF ball, selected by their height and quite frankly at many junior schools not even allowed to play at all and when they are they are not allowed to be competitive as taking part is all that matters. When you play sport you have to believe you are capable of winning and have the ability to do so. If you fear anything that your opponent has then you are playing HIS game not yours. That for me is the essence of Pulis ball he just sets up in fear of every opponent and tries to stop them using their strengths this results in a mind numbing non event with only rare breakthroughs ending in binary results. For me the days of lumping it up to the "Big" centre forward are past comfort and ability on the ball combined with speed and accuracy of passing are what need to be coached right from the start while somehow stopping the pc brigade from ruining the game with their "it doesn't matter if you lose crap" and "heading the ball is dangerous".
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 15, 2015 12:43:48 GMT
And that's what this is really all about isn't it? Not really. You think he'd get the same level of stick if Shawcross hadn't been ignored? Behave.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 15, 2015 12:46:25 GMT
Mind blowing selections - check Naive tactics - check Crackpot quotes to the press - check He's the perfect England boss. He's been a thoroughly average England boss. Not great, not abysmal. Middling. If it wasn't for the Shawcross thing he wouldn't get one iota of the abuse he gets on here. Average average average. All England have ever been.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 15, 2015 13:54:49 GMT
He's been a thoroughly average England boss. Not great, not abysmal. Middling. If it wasn't for the Shawcross thing he wouldn't get one iota of the abuse he gets on here. Average average average. All England have ever been. Yep. There have been better England managers over the last 20 years or so (Robson, Sven, probably Venables though it's hard to judge him) and worse ones. He's in the middle.
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