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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 11, 2015 13:36:36 GMT
Martin Spinks claims in the Sentinel that the club might develop the South West corner in the next 18 months. That may be so - but you'd expect that they'll develop the South East corner first as that is the one the club have planning permission for! Why don't the Sentinel have proof readers? |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Dec 11, 2015 13:46:44 GMT
The Sentinel is becoming a bit of a joke.
But on another note how easy would it be to fill in the 2 corners either side of the John Smiths? Presumably the height difference between the John Smith and the rest of the ground would make it a nightmare to do.
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Post by lordb on Dec 11, 2015 14:05:55 GMT
If only the club had the money to redevlop the stadium,spend big in the transfer market,pay premier league saleries,improve scouting,coching,general infrastructure & bring down match day prices.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Dec 11, 2015 14:42:15 GMT
The Sentinel is becoming a bit of a joke. But on another note how easy would it be to fill in the 2 corners either side of the John Smiths? Presumably the height difference between the John Smith and the rest of the ground would make it a nightmare to do. . Attachment DeletedIt wouldn't be difficult at all Readings Madejski proves you can merge the two tears into one and with the extra room we have between the pitch and the main stand it would be even easier |
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Post by foster on Dec 11, 2015 14:46:04 GMT
Small time.
18 months? So ready in 3 years then.
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 11, 2015 14:57:01 GMT
Doesn't planning permission only last for 3 years? May be that's why it has to happen in the next 18 months if ever it does.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Dec 11, 2015 15:00:29 GMT
But didn't you notice the word "possibly", so "we're monitoring the situation", not actually doing anything.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 11, 2015 15:05:07 GMT
Only laziness is preventing SCFC doing this. There are no financial or sporting arguments against it, non whatsoever.
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Post by foster on Dec 11, 2015 15:13:36 GMT
Only laziness is preventing SCFC doing this. There are no financial or sporting argument against it, non whatsoever. New stadium project announcement imminent. |
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Post by yerwot on Dec 11, 2015 15:36:59 GMT
South West corner would probably mean extending John Smiths, giving additional boxes, more of the expensive seats and a revamp of the changing rooms.
Filling that corner would also block off the prevailing wind.
South East corner may have planning permission but that's probably already expired. It is said that there are foundations to support a new stand but Building Regulations are changing all of the time and whatever is there is probably out of date now
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Post by rawli on Dec 11, 2015 16:06:00 GMT
How long does planning permission take to obtain? Wouldn't it just be a rubber stamp job?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 11, 2015 16:20:08 GMT
South West corner would probably mean extending John Smiths, giving additional boxes, more of the expensive seats and a revamp of the changing rooms. Filling that corner would also block off the prevailing wind. South East corner may have planning permission but that's probably already expired. It is said that there are foundations to support a new stand but Building Regulations are changing all of the time and whatever is there is probably out of date now The last time I obtained planning permission it lasted for 5 years. The rules might have changed but, if it has expired resubmission and approval could be done in a couple of months. The footings in place in the south eastern corner are up to scratch and that corner will, in my opinion, be the first one developed. Given that Martin Spinks has raised the issue in his article it would not surprise me if he has "heard something" and is getting his story in print first. For what it is worth, I said on another thread the other day that, if that corner isn't developed this summer I don't think it will be developed at all. And that has nothing to do with planning permission being due to expire, I based my opinion on two factors: 1. Attendances this season have been higher than they were at the time planning permission was applied for. If you remember, the season after planning permission was granted, ticket and ST sales dropped by almost 2,000. We have now clawed back those fans and added more on top so that our average % of capacity is the highest it has ever been in our history. If the case has not been made for expansion now, I doubt it ever will be. 2. Next summer we will be in the new financial deal so our income should rise by over £20 million - exactly how much depends upon position, number of televised games etc etc. So, financially, expansion has never been more affordable. I hope I am right. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 11, 2015 16:37:32 GMT
Seems like Saint Peter's attitude to safe standing/rail seating is softening and I'd love to see this for the Scoreboard corner, connecting the South Stand expeditionary force with the rest of the ground. I hope any 'dragging of heels' is about waiting for this to become feasible rather than being down to lack of ambition.
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Post by Northy on Dec 11, 2015 16:45:59 GMT
The Sentinel is becoming a bit of a joke. But on another note how easy would it be to fill in the 2 corners either side of the John Smiths? Presumably the height difference between the John Smith and the rest of the ground would make it a nightmare to do. Derby and boro have done it with their grounds, which is the same design as ours, a bit of an odd sloping roof that's all is needed |
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Post by march4 on Dec 11, 2015 16:53:14 GMT
Until they build some new roads, if I were a planning officer, I would tell them no chance of extending the stadium.
More so, I would be giving them a deadline to build the roads otherwise the capacity will be halved.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 16:57:35 GMT
The Sentinel is becoming a bit of a joke. But on another note how easy would it be to fill in the 2 corners either side of the John Smiths? Presumably the height difference between the John Smith and the rest of the ground would make it a nightmare to do. . View AttachmentIt wouldn't be difficult at all Readings Madejski proves you can merge the two tears into one and with the extra room we have between the pitch and the main stand it would be even easier Looks a bit eye watering to me mate. |
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Post by wembley1972 on Dec 11, 2015 17:09:58 GMT
The club could do whatever they wanted with the stadium, join a tall stand to a short one, make one taller, whatever. Building the damn thing isn't the problem they clearly just don't want to.
We know we would never fill 35,000+ seats every week and so do they so I guess they would prefer a full stadium for most games and are not worried about upsetting what are considered part time supporters!
I personally would like to see the scoreboard corner filled in to give the ground a better look and at least a chance to see if given the opportunity to get seats together more easily it would attract more through the turnstiles for the less glamorous games. If that proved a success they could do the others.
They also need to look at the concourse areas to see how they can be expanded.
Its been said loads but the parking and movement of cars has got to be looked, but we shouldn't let that stop the stadium development.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 11, 2015 17:10:27 GMT
If only the club had the money to redevlop the stadium,spend big in the transfer market,pay premier league saleries,improve scouting,coching,general infrastructure & bring down match day prices. They do! |
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Post by trigger on Dec 11, 2015 17:18:23 GMT
On another note HQ 365 is coming along nicely, must get priorities right.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 17:39:14 GMT
I'm thinking of adding a nice pouffe in front of my settee  GD |
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Post by TheBra1n on Dec 11, 2015 18:05:45 GMT
dont they have to do the corner at the boothen to accomodate the new sky studio that is now a requirement ?? or did i imagine that being mentioned last year ?
or do they plan giving up one of the boxes already in place for sky
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 11, 2015 18:08:40 GMT
There are a lot of people saying the corner(s) should be filled in, but how many of them would actually want to sit there?  |
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Post by Stokeontrent on Dec 11, 2015 18:27:15 GMT
I dont get it, its really easy. A few seats and the scoreboard in the family to soutstand connection. Maybe some raised platform disabled veiwing. A few seats between boothen and john smiths and a nice TV gantry, making capacity just over 31k and easily fillable
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Post by lordb on Dec 11, 2015 18:28:32 GMT
If only the club had the money to redevlop the stadium,spend big in the transfer market,pay premier league saleries,improve scouting,coching,general infrastructure & bring down match day prices. They do! Yes..... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 18:32:54 GMT
New stadium project announcement imminent. Shshhh....let them keep moaning. Patience.....  |
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Post by Billybigbollox on Dec 11, 2015 18:44:56 GMT
I'm thinking of adding a nice pouffe in front of my settee GD What's Trevor got to do with this? |
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Post by retired1 on Dec 11, 2015 18:51:21 GMT
Might as well continue to have a below average championship ground and save the money in case the roof blows off the Brit. Surprised it hasn't already given the wind tunnel it is. They could make extra money buy renting it out to car or aircraft designers for that very purpose.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 11, 2015 19:11:40 GMT
Where are all these extra people going to park?
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Post by stokesaint1 on Dec 11, 2015 19:26:37 GMT
Until they build some new roads, if I were a planning officer, I would tell them no chance of extending the stadium. More so, I would be giving them a deadline to build the roads otherwise the capacity will be halved. The second half of your post is a bit strong but, in principle, spot on. The Brit is currently incapable of adequately handling current traffic needs, particularly for evening games, never mind potentially a significant increase in vehicular access requirments. Agree, sort the access before the corners. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 19:27:21 GMT
As much as I get wound up by the lack of stadium development, the club (Coates family in particular) have invested so heavily in EVERY aspect of this club that I really do think we ought to leave the stadium decision up to him. The very fact that we are now moaning about not expanding shows just how far we have progressed in the past decade. And who do we have to thank for that?
Big deal that lots of 'lesser' clubs have bigger stadiums than us. So what?? I bet derby, wolves, borough, Leeds etc would love to swap places with us right now.
Sheffield United couldn't wait to expand when they were in the premises, what's happened to them plans now? Look at Cardiff new stand - closed for the foreseeable.
I grew up like lots of stokies in a terraced house. A few of my cousins had semi detached and detached houses. Sure I got picked on sometimes but I didn't give a toss. The love my mum and dad gave me was all I needed in that warm little house. I guess what I'm trying to say is let's be grateful for everything that St Peter has done for us, and let's just see what plans there may be?
In the meantime if we just expand bit by bit we may suddenly sneak to exactly where we all want to be - without lots of egg on our faces along the way
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