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Post by salopstick on Dec 8, 2015 21:45:09 GMT
This. The vast majority of American's want no part of the nonsense that Trump is spouting. He's pandering to his base support of evangelical Christian nuts and thick as fuck redneck bigots who's lives revolve around doomsday prepping and protecting their second amendment right to own more guns than they know what to do with. From the outside, it can seem like this represents the majority of American's due to the fact they they are so vocal on Social Media and hijack any attempt at reasoned debate, but in truth they don't have the numbers to get this fool elected. The Democrats must be thanking their lucky stars for Trump because he's just amplifying the divisions that already exist within the GOP support. If he wins the Republican nomination, Hilary is nailed on for President in 2016. i really don't think he'll get even a sniff of an official nomination, not a prayer. It's far more likely that Trump will stand against Bush as an independent Republican candidate. If this happens he'll 60/40 split the Republican vote leaving either Hilary Clinton or possibly even Bernie Sanders an easy path into the Whitehouse. Bush won't win. 4th in polls
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Post by unabomber on Dec 8, 2015 21:49:00 GMT
i really don't think he'll get even a sniff of an official nomination, not a prayer. It's far more likely that Trump will stand against Bush as an independent Republican candidate. If this happens he'll 60/40 split the Republican vote leaving either Hilary Clinton or possibly even Bernie Sanders an easy path into the Whitehouse. Bush won't win. 4th in polls i think we'll see him emerge as the front runner on the anti-Trump ticket come February. Maybe.
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Post by samba :) on Dec 8, 2015 21:58:34 GMT
It will interesting to see how the US public reacts to this. Why? are you stoke harrys new account?
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Post by StatesideStokie on Dec 8, 2015 22:07:51 GMT
Bush won't win. 4th in polls i think we'll see him emerge as the front runner on the anti-Trump ticket come February. Maybe. I don't really see Bush as a viable candidate at this stage, although things can change quickly. It's been noticeable that Cruz and Trump have kept each other at arms length and neither have made any real attacks against each other. Cruz is the only Republican candidate that has not criticized Trump's proposal for a block on all Muslim immigrants, and he's also the only candidate that hasn't fallen into Trump's cross hairs for outright attack. He's also second in the polls to Trump, and I think that's by design. It's apparent that they have agreed to steer clear of attacking each other, and I think that makes Cruz the most likely for the Republican nomination should Trump stand down.....with Trump giving Cruz his blessing, and having the majority of his deciples fall in line to give Cruz the support he needs for a run at office. The other scenario is that Trump jumps ship from the Republican Party if he does not secure the nomination, and then runs as an independent. This is the nightmare scenario for the traditional Republican leadership, because most polls show that a massive section of Trump's support would follow him and support his Independant run. With the base support he's amaased, this would split the conservative vote and likely pave the way for a comprehensive democratic victory. Ultimately, I think Hilary is nailed-on to become President. You mentioned Sanders, and as much as I admire his vision, there's just no way he's going to get the masses to follow him. As you said, even the Democrats in the States have a conservative outlook when it comes to the economy and foreign policy issues, and Sanders will be viewed as too far to the left to secure the popular vote. Giid guy, but just can't see him standing a chance to be honest.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2015 22:27:11 GMT
i think we'll see him emerge as the front runner on the anti-Trump ticket come February. Maybe. I don't really see Bush as a viable candidate at this stage, although things can change quickly. It's been noticeable that Cruz and Trump have kept each other at arms length and neither have made any real attacks against each other. Cruz is the only Republican candidate that has not criticized Trump's proposal for a block on all Muslim immigrants, and he's also the only candidate that hasn't fallen into Trump's cross hairs for outright attack. He's also second in the polls to Trump, and I think that's by design. It's apparent that they have agreed to steer clear of attacking each other, and I think that makes Cruz the most likely for the Republican nomination should Trump stand down.....with Trump giving Cruz his blessing, and having the majority of his deciples fall in line to give Cruz the support he needs for a run at office. The other scenario is that Trump jumps ship from the Republican Party if he does not secure the nomination, and then runs as an independent. This is the nightmare scenario for the traditional Republican leadership, because most polls show that a massive section of Trump's support would follow him and support his Independant run. With the base support he's amaased, this would split the conservative vote and likely pave the way for a comprehensive democratic victory. Ultimately, I think Hilary is nailed-on to become President. You mentioned Sanders, and as much as I admire his vision, there's just no way he's going to get the masses to follow him. As you said, even the Democrats in the States have a conservative outlook when it comes to the economy and foreign policy issues, and Sanders will be viewed as too far to the left to secure the popular vote. Giid guy, but just can't see him standing a chance to be honest. He is the US equivalent of Corbyn but with principals that do not include supporting terrorist organisations.
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Post by unabomber on Dec 8, 2015 22:34:00 GMT
In light of what Trump has been saying it's highly unlikely that he will receive Republican endorsement now. So If he does stand, it will only be as an independent and as you say that is the nightmare scenario for the official Republican candidate.
I agree that it's looking very much like a Clinton win if Trump stands in any capacity; I think he's become totally unhinged and has blown his campaign apart. This why I now think we'll start to see Bush gaining ground - he's the only one really going for Trump...
We may see a groundswell for Sanders...this brand of politics led to a massive and unprecedented victory for Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour leadership contest...you never know.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Dec 8, 2015 22:54:35 GMT
We may see a groundswell for Sanders...this brand of politics led to a massive and unprecedented victory for Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour leadership contest...you never know. I wouldn't say this brand of politics could never win an election in the US, but Certainly not in the current climate. Not a chance. Aside from the fact that he doesn't have the financial backing required to mount a serious threat, there is just no way that the big businesses who control the US Government would allow him to succeed. The money men will blow him out of the water with scare-mongering tactics to discredit him as a left-wing extremist who will kill the economy. Or as a certain cretin who posts on here would put it, a Commie "Pinko" Will the climate change in the future to the point where the popular vote can support a more socially and fiscally liberal candidate Like Bernie? Maybe - but it's unlikely, and certainly a long way off right now.
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Post by unabomber on Dec 9, 2015 1:06:22 GMT
We may see a groundswell for Sanders...this brand of politics led to a massive and unprecedented victory for Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour leadership contest...you never know. I wouldn't say this brand of politics could never win an election in the US, but Certainly not in the current climate. Not a chance. Aside from the fact that he doesn't have the financial backing required to mount a serious threat, there is just no way that the big businesses who control the US Government would allow him to succeed. The money men will blow him out of the water with scare-mongering tactics to ducted it him as a left-wing extremist who will kill the economy. Or as a certain cretin who posts on here would put it, a Commie "Pinko" Will the climate change in the future to the point where the popular vote can support a more socially and fiscally liberal candidate Like Bernie? Maybe - but it's unlikely, and certainly a long way off right now. Yes, you're definitely describing the status quo. But strange things can and do happen, remember the "comeback kid?". I think you are calling this one correctly though Stateside.
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Post by unabomber on Dec 9, 2015 1:52:07 GMT
This made me chuckle. Attempting to explain his comments, Mr Trump said parts of London were "so radicalised the police are afraid for their lives".
London Mayor Boris Johnson said that was "ridiculous" and added: "The only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 6:02:30 GMT
He is actually doing exactly what he set out to do, and just go for publicity, and lets face it, he's getting tons of it. Now, without googling, how many other candidates that have actually thrown their hat in can anyone name. Fact is he probably will not actually stand in the end, but by god he is on everyone's lips.
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Post by basingstokie on Dec 9, 2015 6:13:21 GMT
The interesting thing is how he proposes to identify Muslims.
It's a belief, like being a Stoke fan, so I (white British male) could be a Muslim, equally a traditionally Muslim looking fella (Pakistani or whatever) could be Christian, Sikh, Hindu or anything else.
What he means is he'd ban anyone from the middle east from entering USA
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Post by StatesideStokie on Dec 9, 2015 8:58:03 GMT
He is actually doing exactly what he set out to do, and just go for publicity, and lets face it, he's getting tons of it. Now, without googling, how many other candidates that have actually thrown their hat in can anyone name. Fact is he probably will not actually stand in the end, but by god he is on everyone's lips. It's a bit naive to suggest he's doing this for publicity and that nobody is aware of the other candidates. Given the fact that he's the only one who is funding his own campaign, and we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars, I don't think it's a publicity stunt. Trump doesn't need publicity. He thinks he's got a legitimate shot at the presidency. As somebody that's not in this country, you might not be aware of who the other candidates are, but believe me, if you lived here you would be. Politics is a serious business over here and despite the fact that we're almost a year away from the election, they are all spending massive amounts of money on marketing, and there is 24 hour coverage across the media.
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Post by unabomber on Dec 9, 2015 9:08:09 GMT
He is actually doing exactly what he set out to do, and just go for publicity, and lets face it, he's getting tons of it. Now, without googling, how many other candidates that have actually thrown their hat in can anyone name. Fact is he probably will not actually stand in the end, but by god he is on everyone's lips. It's a bit naive to suggest he's doing this for publicity and that nobody is aware of the other candidates. Given the fact that he's the only one who is funding his own campaign, and we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars, I don't think it's a publicity stunt. Trump doesn't need publicity. He thinks he's got a legitimate shot at the presidency. As somebody that's not in this country, you might not be aware of who the other candidates are, but believe me, if you lived here you would be. Politics is a serious business over here and despite the fact that we're almost a year away from the election, they are all spending massive amounts of money on marketing, and there is 24 hour coverage across the media. Mate, Shanghai potter knows the score. Proper Ex military - listen to what he says. Told me some things that would blow your mind. Well blew mine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 10:04:12 GMT
He is actually doing exactly what he set out to do, and just go for publicity, and lets face it, he's getting tons of it. Now, without googling, how many other candidates that have actually thrown their hat in can anyone name. Fact is he probably will not actually stand in the end, but by god he is on everyone's lips. It's a bit naive to suggest he's doing this for publicity and that nobody is aware of the other candidates. Given the fact that he's the only one who is funding his own campaign, and we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars, I don't think it's a publicity stunt. Trump doesn't need publicity. He thinks he's got a legitimate shot at the presidency. As somebody that's not in this country, you might not be aware of who the other candidates are, but believe me, if you lived here you would be. Politics is a serious business over here and despite the fact that we're almost a year away from the election, they are all spending massive amounts of money on marketing, and there is 24 hour coverage across the media. I obviously aimed the lack of knowledge regarding other candidates at the British public in general. Other then Hilary, and Jeb, I really would struggle to name another possible candidate, as the news coverage in the UK doesn't really start to ramp up until all the runners have thrown their hat in, or been nominated. I dare say if I watched US news channels I'd be a lot more ofay with who is who. I still believe that he knows he has zero chance of (a) a nomination, (b) a crack at the White House, and yes, he does not need the publicity as he is already a household name, but he craves the limelight, and I bet the funding is a drop in the ocean, and probably a massive tax write off. Just my thoughts, but I 100% respect that you have a much more insightful angle on it. Oh and ignore what my mate said about me knowing military stuff, he is winding me up...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 10:05:11 GMT
It's a bit naive to suggest he's doing this for publicity and that nobody is aware of the other candidates. Given the fact that he's the only one who is funding his own campaign, and we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars, I don't think it's a publicity stunt. Trump doesn't need publicity. He thinks he's got a legitimate shot at the presidency. As somebody that's not in this country, you might not be aware of who the other candidates are, but believe me, if you lived here you would be. Politics is a serious business over here and despite the fact that we're almost a year away from the election, they are all spending massive amounts of money on marketing, and there is 24 hour coverage across the media. Mate, Shanghai potter knows the score. Proper Ex military - listen to what he says. Told me some things that would blow your mind. Well blew mine. Ssschhh....What happens in Herford stays in Hereford...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 10:42:40 GMT
The muslim community are not exactly going out of their way to condemn these terrorists though are they. Perhaps if they took more actions themselves to protect their religion then so many people would not have a similar opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 10:47:02 GMT
This made me chuckle. Attempting to explain his comments, Mr Trump said parts of London were "so radicalised the police are afraid for their lives". London Mayor Boris Johnson said that was "ridiculous" and added: "The only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump." Now as the comment about london may seem ridiculous, would it surprise you if it were true?
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Post by greenhoff74 on Dec 9, 2015 12:05:31 GMT
Eamon Holmes on Sky news this morning was saying that the authorities were saying the same about Northern Ireland but there were No Go areas there where police didn't go, he knew because he lived there.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 9, 2015 13:17:28 GMT
Idiot uneducated redneck racists will applaud it, regular decent folks are puking over it. This. The vast majority of American's want no part of the nonsense that Trump is spouting. He's pandering to his base support of evangelical Christian nuts and thick as fuck redneck bigots who's lives revolve around doomsday prepping and protecting their second amendment right to own more guns than they know what to do with. From the outside, it can seem like this represents the majority of American's due to the fact they they are so vocal on Social Media and hijack any attempt at reasoned debate, but in truth they don't have the numbers to get this fool elected. The Democrats must be thanking their lucky stars for Trump because he's just amplifying the divisions that already exist within the GOP support. If he wins the Republican nomination, Hilary is nailed on for President in 2016. Oh so Trump is Americas Corbyn? Trump is a polite word for fart. Watch Fox News that is frightening.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Dec 9, 2015 14:27:20 GMT
This. The vast majority of American's want no part of the nonsense that Trump is spouting. He's pandering to his base support of evangelical Christian nuts and thick as fuck redneck bigots who's lives revolve around doomsday prepping and protecting their second amendment right to own more guns than they know what to do with. From the outside, it can seem like this represents the majority of American's due to the fact they they are so vocal on Social Media and hijack any attempt at reasoned debate, but in truth they don't have the numbers to get this fool elected. The Democrats must be thanking their lucky stars for Trump because he's just amplifying the divisions that already exist within the GOP support. If he wins the Republican nomination, Hilary is nailed on for President in 2016. Oh so Trump is Americas Corbyn? Trump is a polite word for fart. Watch Fox News that is frightening. I don't know much about Corbyn, but based on what I do know I would suggest they are polar opposites politically. Trump is a complete bell end, but he prays on the fears of a substantial number of weak minded idiots who believe he's going to "make America great again". He's very good at painting a picture in big, bright primary colours, without detail on how any of his policies would achieve anything. I try not to watch Fox News, but will occasionally tune in just for the entertainment value. It's not so much scary, more shamefully entertaining. What's frightening is the number of people in this country that see it as legitimate source of news. It's little more than a right-wing propaganda machine, and those watching it are for the most part, the people who stand to be most royally fucked by the candidates that they support.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Dec 9, 2015 14:48:53 GMT
I don't really see Bush as a viable candidate at this stage, although things can change quickly. It's been noticeable that Cruz and Trump have kept each other at arms length and neither have made any real attacks against each other. Cruz is the only Republican candidate that has not criticized Trump's proposal for a block on all Muslim immigrants, and he's also the only candidate that hasn't fallen into Trump's cross hairs for outright attack. He's also second in the polls to Trump, and I think that's by design. It's apparent that they have agreed to steer clear of attacking each other, and I think that makes Cruz the most likely for the Republican nomination should Trump stand down.....with Trump giving Cruz his blessing, and having the majority of his deciples fall in line to give Cruz the support he needs for a run at office. The other scenario is that Trump jumps ship from the Republican Party if he does not secure the nomination, and then runs as an independent. This is the nightmare scenario for the traditional Republican leadership, because most polls show that a massive section of Trump's support would follow him and support his Independant run. With the base support he's amaased, this would split the conservative vote and likely pave the way for a comprehensive democratic victory. Ultimately, I think Hilary is nailed-on to become President. You mentioned Sanders, and as much as I admire his vision, there's just no way he's going to get the masses to follow him. As you said, even the Democrats in the States have a conservative outlook when it comes to the economy and foreign policy issues, and Sanders will be viewed as too far to the left to secure the popular vote. Giid guy, but just can't see him standing a chance to be honest. He is the US equivalent of Corbyn but with principals that do not include supporting terrorist organisations. You see, it's this depth of analysis and political insight that makes the EE board so special for me.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 9, 2015 14:50:28 GMT
Next time he wants to come to demolish an entire Scottish ecosystem for his cockless millionaire clients to knock a ball about lets hope we use our extensive extremist legislation and ban him as the hate preacher. He is clearly in breach.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 9, 2015 16:17:44 GMT
Oh so Trump is Americas Corbyn? Trump is a polite word for fart. Watch Fox News that is frightening. I don't know much about Corbyn, but based on what I do know I would suggest they are polar opposites politically. Trump is a complete bell end, but he prays on the fears of a substantial number of weak minded idiots who believe he's going to "make America great again". He's very good at painting a picture in big, bright primary colours, without detail on how any of his policies would achieve anything. I try not to watch Fox News, but will occasionally tune in just for the entertainment value. It's not so much scary, more shamefully entertaining. What's frightening is the number of people in this country that see it as legitimate source of news. It's little more than a right-wing propaganda machine, and those watching it are for the most part, the people who stand to be most royally fucked by the candidates that they support. I was alluding to the social media acolytes of Corbyn trying to legitamise him as having the 'people' agreeing with him. Fox news is scary for the reasons you gave, namely, people using it as a news source. It really car crash. You don't want to look but can't help it. As the old quote goes. The two extremes are often closer together, in their aims, than the middle grounders.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 9, 2015 19:21:50 GMT
Eamon Holmes on Sky news this morning was saying that the authorities were saying the same about Northern Ireland but there were No Go areas there where police didn't go, he knew because he lived there. Such as The Bogside & Creggan Estate in Derry/Londonderry...Ballymurphy/Anderson's Town in West Belfast and South Armagh..ask anyone who did a tour in Crossmaglen.
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Post by desman2 on Dec 9, 2015 20:31:44 GMT
Eamon Holmes on Sky news this morning was saying that the authorities were saying the same about Northern Ireland but there were No Go areas there where police didn't go, he knew because he lived there. Such as The Bogside & Creggan Estate in Derry/Londonderry...Ballymurphy/Anderson's Town in West Belfast and South Armagh..ask anyone who did a tour in Crossmaglen. Had a couple of tours in the Bogside and Creggan. You certainly needed 360 degree vision there. On the Trump thing. Its very ironic that those who want him banned are in reality carrying out the practice that they are accusing him of.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 9, 2015 20:43:16 GMT
Was over in Derry/Londonderry last summer..and there's still a lot of Republican activity in those areas. The Real IRA as they call themselves. Ditto South Armagh. Belfast not as bad now..apart from the 20 'Peace Walls'..!!
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 9, 2015 21:53:03 GMT
Next time he wants to come to demolish an entire Scottish ecosystem for his cockless millionaire clients to knock a ball about lets hope we use our extensive extremist legislation and ban him as the hate preacher. He is clearly in breach.
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Post by unabomber on Dec 9, 2015 22:33:58 GMT
Oh so Trump is Americas Corbyn? Trump is a polite word for fart. Watch Fox News that is frightening. I don't know much about Corbyn, but based on what I do know I would suggest they are polar opposites politically. Trump is a complete bell end, but he prays on the fears of a substantial number of weak minded idiots who believe he's going to "make America great again". He's very good at painting a picture in big, bright primary colours, without detail on how any of his policies would achieve anything. I try not to watch Fox News, but will occasionally tune in just for the entertainment value. It's not so much scary, more shamefully entertaining. What's frightening is the number of people in this country that see it as legitimate source of news. It's little more than a right-wing propaganda machine, and those watching it are for the most part, the people who stand to be most royally fucked by the candidates that they support. Fox News is Satan's little helper, it's also owned by Richard Murdoch. It's as far removed from balanced journalism as it's possible to be.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Dec 9, 2015 23:27:24 GMT
I don't know much about Corbyn, but based on what I do know I would suggest they are polar opposites politically. Trump is a complete bell end, but he prays on the fears of a substantial number of weak minded idiots who believe he's going to "make America great again". He's very good at painting a picture in big, bright primary colours, without detail on how any of his policies would achieve anything. I try not to watch Fox News, but will occasionally tune in just for the entertainment value. It's not so much scary, more shamefully entertaining. What's frightening is the number of people in this country that see it as legitimate source of news. It's little more than a right-wing propaganda machine, and those watching it are for the most part, the people who stand to be most royally fucked by the candidates that they support. Fox News is Satan's little helper, it's also owned by Richard Murdoch. It's as far removed from balanced journalism as it's possible to be. It's actually Rupert Murdoch, but if you want to call him Richard, let's meet in the middle and go with Dick.
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Post by turtlefox on Dec 10, 2015 0:56:09 GMT
Next time he wants to come to demolish an entire Scottish ecosystem for his cockless millionaire clients to knock a ball about lets hope we use our extensive extremist legislation and ban him as the hate preacher. He is clearly in breach. It's The Peep Show Christmas Special 2035
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