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Post by siggy on Nov 28, 2015 23:55:27 GMT
Mike bloody Dean - Red carded his pet parrot because it wouldn't say "who's pretty boy then"
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Post by siggy on Nov 28, 2015 23:57:12 GMT
But that's not new news and we need to manage the game and the team accordingly . We chose to deliberately ignore the black ice at half time and crashed off as a result totally avoidable What Black Ice - are you on drugs mate?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 0:03:42 GMT
Dean is just one of those cunts. Its all about him. I want to smash his fucking smug face in. This. Wasn't too fussed about the loss until I saw the highlights/decisions. I'm now speechless with quiet rage. How can one cubt buy in so easily to it? Makes my blood boil. What really really fucks me off is the reaction of Watmore. He knows Ryan got the ball...but he's all arms in the air....he fouled me. Fuck of you ginger gimp
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Post by tijuanabrass on Nov 29, 2015 0:32:45 GMT
The second yellow was clearly a mistake by Dean where he was desperate to rectify one he'd missed earlier. Having just watched the highlights again I'm just as annoyed about the first yellow which on its own seems harsh for a non dangerous challenge. If you rewatch the Peters challenge that presented the free kick that led to their first goal you will see that big Sam had coached his team brilliantly in exploiting the weakest link on the field .
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Nov 29, 2015 0:48:43 GMT
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 29, 2015 0:48:43 GMT
He's a total, complete and utter fuck pig. Remember he sent off Deano, Wilko & Faye in 2010. TP was so pissed off that a complaint letter was sent to the FA resulting in him not being allowed anywhere near a Stoke fixture for a good while..... And then this. Him & Twatkinson must salivate at being offered the golden ticket to send a Stoke man off. Mike Dean, you my friend, are a cunt.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 29, 2015 0:55:53 GMT
Northwich Tell me then how on 45 mins i said it was an inevitable red on 45 mins and it happened on 47 It wasn't just a yellow it was the circumstances ref , opposition , ground , media , chance for allardyce to get at dean that mad it inevitable I'm afraid your the daft one On this occasion as I saw it , called it in advance and it happened totally avoidable . You have such a track record of predicting the future though don't you. 2013-14 Benji says "Relegation" 2014-15 Benji says "Relegation" 2015-16 Benji says "Relegation" Of course if you predict doom and gloom and tragedy all the time... occasionally you're proved correct. Don't claim some great insight that our manager should have seen.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 29, 2015 1:10:24 GMT
Northwich Tell me then how on 45 mins i said it was an inevitable red on 45 mins and it happened on 47 It wasn't just a yellow it was the circumstances ref , opposition , ground , media , chance for allardyce to get at dean that mad it inevitable I'm afraid your the daft one On this occasion as I saw it , called it in advance and it happened totally avoidable . You have such a track record of predicting the future though don't you. 2013-14 Benji says "Relegation" 2014-15 Benji says "Relegation" 2015-16 Benji says "Relegation" Of course if you predict doom and gloom and tragedy all the time... occasionally you're proved correct. Don't claim some great insight that our manager should have seen. The guy is a fucking psychic !!
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Post by metalhead on Nov 29, 2015 1:43:41 GMT
He's a total, complete and utter fuck pig. Remember he sent off Deano, Wilko & Faye in 2010. TP was so pissed off that a complaint letter was sent to the FA resulting in him not being allowed anywhere near a Stoke fixture for a good while..... And then this. Him & Twatkinson must salivate at being offered the golden ticket to send a Stoke man off. Mike Dean, you my friend, are a cunt. Oh he's awful. I'm pretty sure he was the ref in the Chelsea game when we were 1-0 up and he added 8 minutes of stoppage time first half, 8 minutes second half and basically played 10. Play till you score lads. He gave them everything that day. However.............. Why are we making today about him? We looked average before Ryan went. Walters missed a sitter but they played better overall. It was a shit day at the office and they probably deserved their win. It's easy to preach morality when it comes to diving. Diouf isn't afraid of going down when he needs to. It's there and we all hate it but let's not be as hypocritical as that twat in Swansea.
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Nov 29, 2015 2:15:04 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Nov 29, 2015 2:15:04 GMT
As bad as Dean was, Ryan cost us the match today , that's the truth, if it had been any of our other centre halfs there would by now be a twenty page thread slaging them off
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Post by kustokie on Nov 29, 2015 3:35:15 GMT
As bad as Dean was, Ryan cost us the match today , that's the truth, if it had been any of our other centre halfs there would by now be a twenty page thread slaging them off Careful. You're the second person that's said that. Good on yer. Replacing Ryan with Cameron at the back cost us a point. However, we could have played till Tuesday with 11 on the field and not scored.
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Post by tuum on Nov 29, 2015 4:39:14 GMT
It's not plain and simple though is it? I have just seen the incident for the first time and I can understand why the ref thought it was a bookable offence. I can understand when an earlier poster said the ref needed to be 100% certain but he has two options....no foul and play on or foul and book Shawcross. He can't really give a foul and not book Shawcross given that there was full contact across Watmores knee. The ref may have got it wrong but from all the chatter on here during the game I was expecting the incident to be much more clear cut than the clip I have just seen on the TV. Andy Townsend felt it was clumsy and the correct decision. I think Townsend is fuckin useless as a commentator but it shows that some people see it completely different to many Stoke fans. Yes it is clear and simple. As someone who as played the game it's very simple. Watch the movement of the ball when Ryan slides in. The ball goes in the direction Ryan tackles! Now that doesn't take a genius to realise that he's won the ball. It should have been a corner to Sunderland and that's it Your comment about having played the game is (a) patronizing and (b)irrelevant. Both players were generally facing the same way with Shawcross coming in at an angle. From the referees position it is perfectly feasible to think that the forward has knocked it past Shawcross and then been taken out or that Shawcross' challenge took the man first before playing the ball. The direction of the ball may be supportive of Shawcross but it is by no means absolute I only saw it one time from one camera angle looking from the half way line towards the Stoke goal and my impression was it was not as clear cut as I was expecting. From the referees position what he saw was probably even worse for us in how he interpreted the situation. I don't think Dean had an agenda, I just think from his position it looked as though Shawcross has taken the forward out.
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Nov 29, 2015 7:48:47 GMT
How many reds has this cunt given us now since we've been in the Prem? Where's John motson when you need him..........eh muttley ;-)
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Nov 29, 2015 8:06:10 GMT
A few folk on here said fat Sams tactics were get a player sent off, I think it's more of getting a player booked so they are wary of putting in decent tackles , if it wasn't for that twat dean Ryan would have carried on with a decent performance. On the other hand I thought the Mackems 'could' have had a penalty, many refs would have give it but I think dean thought "I'm in control, It's my show not SAMs" sort of trying to show SAMs had no influence, but then what happened when pantillimon handled outside the box, he fucking bottled it the spineless fucker, wants to run the show but fucking can't.
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Nov 29, 2015 8:12:32 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 29, 2015 8:12:32 GMT
What is the law when a keeper handles outside the box is it a straight red ?
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Post by jeycov on Nov 29, 2015 8:12:11 GMT
It's time for managers to be placed further away from the 4th official ( he / she could be elsewhere ) and managers unable to approach officials at half time. Subs can still come on from centre line.
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Post by Davef on Nov 29, 2015 8:53:30 GMT
As bad as Dean was, Ryan cost us the match today , that's the truth, if it had been any of our other centre halfs there would by now be a twenty page thread slaging them off I'll bet there was a little bulge in your pocket when that red card came out. Didn't see you comment about Shawcross's performances against Chelsea (twice), Newcastle and Southampton.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 9:01:43 GMT
Just seen the replays on MOTD. Neither were yellows. The first one Fletcher is looking for it way before contact and the second one is a disgrace.
It wasn't quite as bad a performance from Dean as it was at Fratton Park that time but it ran it close.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 29, 2015 9:07:30 GMT
Just seen the replays on MOTD. Neither were yellows. The first one Fletcher is looking for it way before contact and the second one is a disgrace. It wasn't quite as bad a performance from Dean as it was at Fratton Park that time but it ran it close. Thought the first one was but not the second. Ryan got to the ball first in a 50/50 challenge. 40,000 mackems plus Allardyce organised the second yellow and red card! Disgusting!
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Post by Davef on Nov 29, 2015 9:45:20 GMT
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the foul on Bojan in the first half when he was completely taken out by a Sunderland defender on the right touchline. He was clean through as well.
Dean didn't even speak to the Sunderland player and this was minutes after Adam was booked.
The man is a shameless cheat.
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 29, 2015 10:07:56 GMT
Shawcross looked clumsy all game, could easily have been booked twice before. This blaming of the ref for us playing shit is embarrassing. Thought from the moment of first booking (a challenge he should not have made) he would pay a high price for that booking.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 29, 2015 10:17:16 GMT
Just seen the replays on MOTD. Neither were yellows. The first one Fletcher is looking for it way before contact and the second one is a disgrace. It wasn't quite as bad a performance from Dean as it was at Fratton Park that time but it ran it close. Thought the first one was but not the second. Ryan got to the ball first in a 50/50 challenge. 40,000 mackems plus Allardyce organised the second yellow and red card! Disgusting! And we'd do the same. Let's not get on our high horse. I seem to remember they had Wes Brown sent off last season for next to nothing.... Partly thanks to us. We're in danger of becoming hypocritical as fuck like Arse supporters. They're the kind of knobs who are completely incapable of being slightly objective and will preach morality over things their own team does every game. It's a home game, the Sunderland fans intimidated the ref.... Just like we do. Get over it.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 29, 2015 10:38:23 GMT
Yes it is clear and simple. As someone who as played the game it's very simple. Watch the movement of the ball when Ryan slides in. The ball goes in the direction Ryan tackles! Now that doesn't take a genius to realise that he's won the ball. It should have been a corner to Sunderland and that's it Your comment about having played the game is (a) patronizing and (b)irrelevant. Both players were generally facing the same way with Shawcross coming in at an angle. From the referees position it is perfectly feasible to think that the forward has knocked it past Shawcross and then been taken out or that Shawcross' challenge took the man first before playing the ball. The direction of the ball may be supportive of Shawcross but it is by no means absolute I only saw it one time from one camera angle looking from the half way line towards the Stoke goal and my impression was it was not as clear cut as I was expecting. From the referees position what he saw was probably even worse for us in how he interpreted the situation. I don't think Dean had an agenda, I just think from his position it looked as though Shawcross has taken the forward out. Well from my position in the away end the ref was pretty much in line between me and the indident - albeit 70 yards closer to the incident than I was. As soon as the tackle went in I could see that Shawcross quite clearly got a touch on the ball because the ball moved in the direction it would move in if Shawcross got a touch on it. As regards your second point that Shawcross's challenge might have taken the man first before the ball - that is nonsense. Of course the incident COULD have happened that way but it didn't - and, more importantly, THERE WAS NOTHING ABOUT THE INCIDENT TO SUGGEST THAT THE MAN WAS TAKEN BEFORE THE BALL. For a second yellow (which means an automatic red) the ref can't say to himself WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE that "the man might have been taken before the ball, so I am going to give a yellow card" - refs are supposed to call on what they SEE not what COULD have happened.
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Post by siggy on Nov 29, 2015 12:20:09 GMT
What gets me it the "left his foot and leg there" bit - Whether you get the ball or not your leg or foot is left there in those challenges.
Ryan got there first both times - the first one Ryan missed the ball so when the diving cheat went over after treading on Ryans foot (he was diving before he got to Ryan) It was seen as a foul and Dean gave it as a yellow too because of the earlier one.
The second one Ryan got there first AND got the ball and the diving cheat was given the free kick because the linesman didn't see properly and neither did Dean!
Big Sam told his players to target getting free kicks by going down as much as possible especially when its on our defenders - getting a red would be a bonus and it worked. With refs like Dean managers like Sam trade on our reputation a reputation created by the style and tactics of TP and the manipulation of Arse Wenger. Biscuit can say MH is naive and we should have seen it and he may have a slight point but we have to play out the negativity (its going to take a while) and I'm not sure how you can ever anticipate a ref like Dean or getting two cards for two tackles in 10mins either side of HT especially when you got the ball fairly on the sending off!
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Post by daveandeddy on Nov 29, 2015 12:27:55 GMT
Northwich Tell me then how on 45 mins i said it was an inevitable red on 45 mins and it happened on 47 It wasn't just a yellow it was the circumstances ref , opposition , ground , media , chance for allardyce to get at dean that mad it inevitable I'm afraid your the daft one On this occasion as I saw it , called it in advance and it happened totally avoidable . Benjamin You are a cock .... But as you have so much wonderful hindsight could you be my cock and tell me all the results this afternoon Really ????? Fuck right off ..... The only inevitable thing here is you making a prick of yourself
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 29, 2015 12:30:11 GMT
Anyone seen the pantillimon incident again just before half time?
Did he take the ball out of the box? It certainly looked it from where I was stood.
Dean was right in line with it, gestured how closely he was watching and waved play on.
Was he right?
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Nov 29, 2015 12:35:31 GMT
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Post by milky on Nov 29, 2015 12:35:31 GMT
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the foul on Bojan in the first half when he was completely taken out by a Sunderland defender on the right touchline. He was clean through as well. Dean didn't even speak to the Sunderland player and this was minutes after Adam was booked. The man is a shameless cheat. To me those two incidents just about summed the wanker up..Both pretty similar and both arguably worthy of a yellow..yet he couldn't wait to card Adam and barely gave Larsson a second glance. Every mistake he made he tried to rectify and just got worse. You can see why the powers that be rate the useless officious cunt so highly along with Oliver and Atkinson.
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Post by daveandeddy on Nov 29, 2015 12:36:38 GMT
Anyone seen the pantillimon incident again just before half time? Did he take the ball out of the box? It certainly looked it from where I was stood. Dean was right in line with it, gestured how closely he was watching and waved play on. Was he right? Not only out of the box --- he was not even discreet about pulling it back in . If the ref saw that and did nothing then he is a cheat ... simple as The diving though was what pissed me off more than anything ... How can these players expect to be taken seriously when millions watch their antics I know i wear rose tinted glasses when watching my team BUT if they played like this i would be embarrassed
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Post by milky on Nov 29, 2015 12:39:04 GMT
Btw. .where is Geoff321 (or whatever he is called) when you need him to come on and tell us Dean got every decision spot on.
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 29, 2015 12:39:14 GMT
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the foul on Bojan in the first half when he was completely taken out by a Sunderland defender on the right touchline. He was clean through as well. Dean didn't even speak to the Sunderland player and this was minutes after Adam was booked. The man is a shameless cheat. To me those two incidents just about summed the wanker up..Both pretty similar and both arguably worthy of a yellow..yet he couldn't wait to card Adam and barely gave Larsson a second glance. Every mistake he made he tried to rectify and just got worse. You can see why the powers that be rate the useless officious cunt so highly along with Oliver and Atkinson. Yes said exactly the same to my mate 2 similar fouls one a yellow and one not Dean is a complete cheat when it comes to reffing us.
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Post by luciani on Nov 29, 2015 14:09:36 GMT
What is the law when a keeper handles outside the box is it a straight red ? No.
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