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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 30, 2015 8:15:43 GMT
If the world is serious about eliminating this vile regime then there has to be continued bombing of them in their strongholds of Raqqa and Mosul and other smaller cities together with a military siege. It is essential that Arab countries are in the forefront of this with massive back up from USA, UK, EU, Russia and others who can offer military support.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 30, 2015 8:44:44 GMT
It's easy to beat isis. Destroy their oil installions. Stop them selling the oil Stop their financial transactions Stop the supply routes. I wonder why it wasn't done along time ago Russia is trying to do the top-half of that list, but Turkey keeps shooting their planes down. The Kurds have been trying to do the last thing on the list for months now, but Turkey keeps bombing fuck out of them & stopping them doing so. ... But Turkey are our 'allies' & a member of NATO so we have to be fully supportive of them. And Merkel has just given them €3b, visa free travel in EU and promise of easing Turkey entry into EU membership in exchange of stopping refugees entering Greece and the EU Shengen zone. You coudnt make it up.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 30, 2015 14:22:03 GMT
If the world is serious about eliminating this vile regime then there has to be continued bombing of them in their strongholds of Raqqa and Mosul and other smaller cities together with a military siege. It is essential that Arab countries are in the forefront of this with massive back up from USA, UK, EU, Russia and others who can offer military support. I think the issue for many is that just dropping bombs on the middle east isn't demonstrably making either the middle east or the rest of the world any safer.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 30, 2015 17:32:32 GMT
If the world is serious about eliminating this vile regime then there has to be continued bombing of them in their strongholds of Raqqa and Mosul and other smaller cities together with a military siege. It is essential that Arab countries are in the forefront of this with massive back up from USA, UK, EU, Russia and others who can offer military support. I think the issue for many is that just dropping bombs on the middle east isn't demonstrably making either the middle east or the rest of the world any safer. I agree just dropping bombs alone will not do anything. As I said we must also have ground troops to besiege the strongholds cities of Raqqa and Mosul and stop anything going in or coming out. the world needs to wake up to this menace and sort it out.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 30, 2015 19:59:56 GMT
Ask any Syrian and they will tell you that dropping bombs on ISIS will solve nothing and just make matters worse.The real enemy inside Syria is the Assad Regime that has killed a thousand more Syrians than ISIS.
But we're not bombing to help Syrians we're bombing Syria as a result of Paris and international pressure.Anybody that thinks that bombing Daesh positions will solve anything is naive at best but more probably stupid.
We have Russia propping up the Assad Government. Turkey fighting the Kurds who are the most effective fighters of ISIS. Now we're going to start adding to the mess because of International pressure. Just like Afghanistan Just like Iraq Just like Libya.
When will people ever fucking learn.
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Post by themistocles on Nov 30, 2015 20:52:19 GMT
Ask any Syrian and they will tell you that dropping bombs on ISIS will solve nothing and just make matters worse.The real enemy inside Syria is the Assad Regime that has killed a thousand more Syrians than ISIS. But we're not bombing to help Syrians we're bombing Syria as a result of Paris and international pressure.Anybody that thinks that bombing Daesh positions will solve anything is naive at best but more probably stupid. We have Russia propping up the Assad Government. Turkey fighting the Kurds who are the most effective fighters of ISIS. Now we're going to start adding to the mess because of International pressure. Just like Afghanistan Just like Iraq Just like Libya. When will people ever fucking learn. So the Syrian people won't like the coalition helping to take back their country for them ( of course that would mean the millions of "asylum seekers " having to return to their home , but that's aanother story) ? You need to get in your tiny naive brainwashed skull that we are not bombing Syria, the coalition will bomb ISIS ! I didn't agree with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as they didn't pose a direct threat to Britain, however ISIS do.... Care to explain why you think bombing ISIS'S supply routs, oil reserves and manpower won't help the situation ? Or are you one of those apologists who believes everything bad is the West's's doing ? So tell me oh wise one, what is your opinion on what we should do ? Nothing ....
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Post by Skankmonkey on Nov 30, 2015 22:31:14 GMT
The coalition has been bombing Daesh forces, infrastructure and logistics in Syria for over a year now. It seems to me that the extension of British involvement from it's current operations in Iraq to include Syria will have marginal impact given the level of resources allocated.
Ultimately it will be predominantly Arab and Kurdish Muslim ground forces that defeat Daesh in Syria; and Arab, Kurdish and Iranian Muslim ground forces that will drive them out of Iraq. Daesh will be defeated, have no doubt. We should be planning for the sutuation that follows. A novelty, I know.
Britain could do more by prevailing on our Turkish allies to call a halt to their opportunistic campaign against the Kurds.
We should also be using our undoubted "influence" with the Saudis to persuade them to be a little more zealous in closing down avenues of financial and propaganda support for Daesh coming from their neck of the woods. Perhaps we could stop selling them weaponry and spares for a couple of months...
Edit. Good luck to the Iraqis in the upcoming assault on Ramadi. I hope it is over quickly.
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Post by Gods on Nov 30, 2015 23:01:14 GMT
Homegrown Jihad. Is that not our most immediate problem? Or do you subscribe to the cut off the head by taking out ISIS in Syria and beyond and the tail will die off theory? I'm not sure I do
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Post by samba :) on Nov 30, 2015 23:03:25 GMT
what do you suggest we do? Bomb normacot to make sure?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 1, 2015 10:03:01 GMT
Ask any Syrian and they will tell you that dropping bombs on ISIS will solve nothing and just make matters worse.The real enemy inside Syria is the Assad Regime that has killed a thousand more Syrians than ISIS. But we're not bombing to help Syrians we're bombing Syria as a result of Paris and international pressure.Anybody that thinks that bombing Daesh positions will solve anything is naive at best but more probably stupid. We have Russia propping up the Assad Government. Turkey fighting the Kurds who are the most effective fighters of ISIS. Now we're going to start adding to the mess because of International pressure. Just like Afghanistan Just like Iraq Just like Libya. When will people ever fucking learn. So the Syrian people won't like the coalition helping to take back their country for them ( of course that would mean the millions of "asylum seekers " having to return to their home , but that's aanother story) ? You need to get in your tiny naive brainwashed skull that we are not bombing Syria, the coalition will bomb ISIS ! I didn't agree with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as they didn't pose a direct threat to Britain, however ISIS do.... Care to explain why you think bombing ISIS'S supply routs, oil reserves and manpower won't help the situation ? Or are you one of those apologists who believes everything bad is the West's's doing ? So tell me oh wise one, what is your opinion on what we should do ? Nothing .... Tiny brainwashed skull? Less of the personal insults Concentrate on the subject matter rather than abusing the poster. We've had enough of that on this board already. It's always Right Wingers like you that bang on about 'freedom' then as soon as someone expressed an opinion different to yours its personal abuse. It is just so called Lefties that disagree with bombing but David Davis and 50 Tory MPs and a lot of people with military backgrounds. The most important thing before you start any operations is The Exit Plan. Where is our exit plan? We don't have one. Where is the overall strategy? There isn't one. I cannot believe that the British public (or parts of it) are so fucking stupid to think that bombing ISIS will solve anything. It can ONLY make matters worse. And it's people like you that are responsible. NEVER forget that.
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Post by desman2 on Dec 1, 2015 10:54:04 GMT
what do you suggest we do? Bomb normacot to make sure? Went past it the other day and thought it had been
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Post by desman2 on Dec 1, 2015 10:55:41 GMT
So the Syrian people won't like the coalition helping to take back their country for them ( of course that would mean the millions of "asylum seekers " having to return to their home , but that's aanother story) ? You need to get in your tiny naive brainwashed skull that we are not bombing Syria, the coalition will bomb ISIS ! I didn't agree with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as they didn't pose a direct threat to Britain, however ISIS do.... Care to explain why you think bombing ISIS'S supply routs, oil reserves and manpower won't help the situation ? Or are you one of those apologists who believes everything bad is the West's's doing ? So tell me oh wise one, what is your opinion on what we should do ? Nothing .... Tiny brainwashed skull? Less of the personal insults Concentrate on the subject matter rather than abusing the poster. We've had enough of that on this board already. It's always Right Wingers like you that bang on about 'freedom' then as soon as someone expressed an opinion different to yours its personal abuse. It is just so called Lefties that disagree with bombing but David Davis and 50 Tory MPs and a lot of people with military backgrounds. The most important thing before you start any operations is The Exit Plan. Where is our exit plan? We don't have one. Where is the overall strategy? There isn't one. I cannot believe that the British public (or parts of it) are so fucking stupid to think that bombing ISIS will solve anything. It can ONLY make matters worse. And it's people like you that are responsible. NEVER forget that. You are right wizzard. Even ukip are against getting involved
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 1, 2015 14:29:50 GMT
So the Syrian people won't like the coalition helping to take back their country for them ( of course that would mean the millions of "asylum seekers " having to return to their home , but that's aanother story) ? You need to get in your tiny naive brainwashed skull that we are not bombing Syria, the coalition will bomb ISIS ! I didn't agree with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as they didn't pose a direct threat to Britain, however ISIS do.... Care to explain why you think bombing ISIS'S supply routs, oil reserves and manpower won't help the situation ? Or are you one of those apologists who believes everything bad is the West's's doing ? So tell me oh wise one, what is your opinion on what we should do ? Nothing .... Tiny brainwashed skull? Less of the personal insults Concentrate on the subject matter rather than abusing the poster. We've had enough of that on this board already. It's always Right Wingers like you that bang on about 'freedom' then as soon as someone expressed an opinion different to yours its personal abuse. It is just so called Lefties that disagree with bombing but David Davis and 50 Tory MPs and a lot of people with military backgrounds. The most important thing before you start any operations is The Exit Plan. Where is our exit plan? We don't have one. Where is the overall strategy? There isn't one. I cannot believe that the British public (or parts of it) are so fucking stupid to think that bombing ISIS will solve anything. It can ONLY make matters worse. And it's people like you that are responsible. NEVER forget that. I don't have any great moral problem with dropping bombs on ISIS in Syria but to me it just seems a symbolic act as there seems to be plenty of people bombing them already, everything you read says the real power behind ISIS are fomer baath party members who were part of the Sadaam regime, seems to me if you really want to sort ISIS out it those people you go after yet going back into Iraq doesn't seem to be getting a mention.
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Post by samba :) on Dec 1, 2015 15:06:05 GMT
what do you suggest we do? Bomb normacot to make sure? Went past it the other day and thought it had been the new mosque
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 15:13:21 GMT
Went past it the other day and thought it had been the new mosque Military airstrikes over a period of say 2 weeks could cause millions, maybe 10's of millions of pounds worth of improvements to Normacot....Unlucky 7 that's what I say...
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Post by samba :) on Dec 1, 2015 15:39:55 GMT
Military airstrikes over a period of say 2 weeks could cause millions, maybe 10's of millions of pounds worth of improvements to Normacot....Unlucky 7 that's what I say... be careful not to step over the line some of corbens bummers post on here
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 1, 2015 22:13:26 GMT
The main support for ISIS comes from Saudi Arabia.
so we bomb Syria and do arms deals with Saudi Arabia? Great logic that!
This is just another money making racket. We have learnt nothing from all the pointless military action we have been brainwashed into supporting in the last 20 years. Military action that has stimulated more terror.
Why spend millions (that we are told we havent got!) on something that will a) cause more terrorism b) will create more innocent refugees that the Sun can call vermin.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 2, 2015 0:13:45 GMT
The most ferocious and successful fighters of ISIS are The Kurds.
So why is Turkey trying to kill as many Kurds as possible?
So why are Turkey ignoring the threat from ISIS?
So why is Assad gassing Kurds?
So why are the Russians backing Assad?
Why are the Americans doing Fuck All?
Why are the British being dragged into this?
This is such a complex situation and although I can fully understand why we all want these ISIS Bastards destroyed..we all have to remember that it takes more than one way to skin a cat.
Is dropping bombs our best possible solution?
And what is The Exit Plan? How do we get our forces out once they're committed?
It reeks of bullshit to me. Political Bullshit.
And ordinary people from ordinary families will die as a result.
Those in favour of bombing need to think about that. You are collectively responsible for those deaths.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 2, 2015 11:02:26 GMT
westerners on a 'muslim' land just give them more excuse for violence - That's what I feel. There's nothing like getting invaded by Jonny Foreigner to bring a country together. This bloke read all the issues of IS' magazines and says that the thing they seem most worried about is everyone realising how shit they are at running things: millions of people desperately trying to escape is not a good advert for IS. Their best hope is to turn it into "Muslims vs. the West" and then make themselves look like the only hope for Muslims, which is why they want us to hate refugees. I can't see how sending the lads in would do us any good at all, you need locals to sort it out. I can see how bombing oil fields and stopping them from killing the allies we do have might work but the scary thing is that if we can't sort them out quickly then they're going to brainwash a generation. How are the locals going to sort it out most of them have run away to Europe , all these refugees many single males leaving their country instead of fighting for it why ?
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 6, 2015 5:59:39 GMT
That's what I feel. There's nothing like getting invaded by Jonny Foreigner to bring a country together. This bloke read all the issues of IS' magazines and says that the thing they seem most worried about is everyone realising how shit they are at running things: millions of people desperately trying to escape is not a good advert for IS. Their best hope is to turn it into "Muslims vs. the West" and then make themselves look like the only hope for Muslims, which is why they want us to hate refugees. I can't see how sending the lads in would do us any good at all, you need locals to sort it out. I can see how bombing oil fields and stopping them from killing the allies we do have might work but the scary thing is that if we can't sort them out quickly then they're going to brainwash a generation. How are the locals going to sort it out most of them have run away to Europe , all these refugees many single males leaving their country instead of fighting for it why ? I don't know the answer to that obviously! But if Assad was dictator of Britain and he wanted me to fight I'd rather get on my bike and fuck off to be honest. You need something good to fight for.
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Post by themistocles on Dec 6, 2015 9:07:23 GMT
How are the locals going to sort it out most of them have run away to Europe , all these refugees many single males leaving their country instead of fighting for it why ? I don't know the answer to that obviously! But if Assad was dictator of Britain and he wanted me to fight I'd rather get on my bike and fuck off to be honest. You need something good to fight for. How about fighting to re-claim their country....
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Dec 6, 2015 9:24:18 GMT
How are the locals going to sort it out most of them have run away to Europe , all these refugees many single males leaving their country instead of fighting for it why ? I don't know the answer to that obviously! But if Assad was dictator of Britain and he wanted me to fight I'd rather get on my bike and fuck off to be honest. You need something good to fight for. I'm glad my Grandfathers generation didn't piss off in 1940. These young Syrian men need to be doing something more than a lifestyle change.
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Post by dexta on Dec 6, 2015 9:39:17 GMT
Went past it the other day and thought it had been the new mosque copied the design of the Trafford centre...
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 6, 2015 10:04:55 GMT
I don't know the answer to that obviously! But if Assad was dictator of Britain and he wanted me to fight I'd rather get on my bike and fuck off to be honest. You need something good to fight for. How about fighting to re-claim their country.... Cowards taking the easy option, they should be repatriated asap we do not want these sort of people living amongst us.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 6, 2015 13:53:39 GMT
How about fighting to re-claim their country.... Cowards taking the easy option, they should be repatriated asap we do not want these sort of people living amongst us. Fleeing your own country ain't in itself a bad thing. It's what you then do that is important. One name, as an example, Witold Urbanowicz. Maybe that is the clue to what needs to be done now. It would help out with Cameron's 70,000.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Dec 6, 2015 14:48:29 GMT
Have they bombed any of the oil installions in Iraq that are under isis control ?.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 7, 2015 2:35:45 GMT
I don't know the answer to that obviously! But if Assad was dictator of Britain and he wanted me to fight I'd rather get on my bike and fuck off to be honest. You need something good to fight for. I'm glad my Grandfathers generation didn't piss off in 1940. These young Syrian men need to be doing something more than a lifestyle change. I'm proud of my Grandad, he was in the BEF, Distinguished Conduct Medal for being in the Dunkirk rearguard and a load of others. Lost his best mate at Anzio. I'm glad he fought... but the war would have been a lot shorter if the Germans decided they weren't too keen on fighting for Hitler. Hundreds of thousands of Syrians are fighting. But most of the groups they can fight for look like massive dickheads: Assad's clearly a bastard, then there are the religious nutters like Al-Nusra and the Islamic Front and the off-the-scale cuntishness of ISIS. Unless you're a Kurd then the only option that looks decent is the Free Syrian Army who're undersupplied, surrounded by psychos and getting bombed by Russia. If my family was trapped in Raqqa, would I just try to get them out as fast as possible or would I leave my family in hell to try and get through a hundred-mile warzone to join up with the least cuntish group? I can see why you'd pick the first. It would be different in Britain where we have a clear, representative democracy to defend.
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Post by manmarking on Dec 7, 2015 14:28:49 GMT
How about fighting to re-claim their country.... Cowards taking the easy option, they should be repatriated asap we do not want these sort of people living amongst us. Says the guy who's emigrating to The Canaries because he doesn't like how Britain is being "invaded" by Muslims and the like Why not stay and fight for what you believe in carps? Or as ever do you just propose to be doing all your fighting from behind the safety of your keyboard?
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