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Post by potterblade on Nov 26, 2015 10:14:50 GMT
I seem to remember his 'breakthrough' game being in one of the cups last year. Probably against lower league or B-side opposition. Earned a MOTM and the media machine kicked in. He was probably a scrote before but now he's a bigheaded deluded scrote and wouldn't want him near SCFC. Needs straightening out.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 26, 2015 10:31:13 GMT
Has he ever actually been any good? Even when people were saying he was he wasn't really playing that well. The issue with young English players in a nutshell right here. last season he looked the only decent player in their team at times. In my opinion, he's being made a scapegoat. Villa were fucking shit, they got battered by a much better team. He goes out on the piss and it's all his fault? Why exactly?
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Post by Will_75 on Nov 26, 2015 10:37:27 GMT
Has he ever actually been any good? Even when people were saying he was he wasn't really playing that well. The issue with young English players in a nutshell right here. last season he looked the only decent player in their team at times. In my opinion, he's being made a scapegoat. Villa were fucking shit, they got battered by a much better team. He goes out on the piss and it's all his fault? Why exactly? i think it's his hair
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 26, 2015 10:37:56 GMT
Has he ever actually been any good? Even when people were saying he was he wasn't really playing that well. The issue with young English players in a nutshell right here. last season he looked the only decent player in their team at times. In my opinion, he's being made a scapegoat. Villa were fucking shit, they got battered by a much better team. He goes out on the piss and it's all his fault? Why exactly? He had moments but he never did anything much. They are shit and he may be a good player but he's no Premier League player yet and their belief in him is misguided. It's one of the reason I think they'll do well in the Championship. He'll probably rip that league to shreads, score 10 goals, be high on confidence and go into a Premier League season on that high. It's what he and Villa need.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Nov 26, 2015 10:48:36 GMT
So I take it you lot don't want him here then if Villa get relegated? I'll take him. I wouldn't ...purely on the grounds of his hair cuntery.....
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 26, 2015 11:08:28 GMT
I seem to remember his 'breakthrough' game being in one of the cups last year. Probably against lower league or B-side opposition. Earned a MOTM and the media machine kicked in. He was probably a scrote before but now he's a bigheaded deluded scrote and wouldn't want him near SCFC. Needs straightening out. It was in the semi final against Liverpool. Agree he's dramatically hit and miss and overrated but all this 'think of the children' stuff because a young lad has the odd night out makes me feel a bit queasy.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 26, 2015 11:42:32 GMT
last season he looked the only decent player in their team at times. In my opinion, he's being made a scapegoat. Villa were fucking shit, they got battered by a much better team. He goes out on the piss and it's all his fault? Why exactly? He had moments but he never did anything much. They are shit and he may be a good player but he's no Premier League player yet and their belief in him is misguided. It's one of the reason I think they'll do well in the Championship. It probably rip that league to shreads, score 10 goals, be high on confidence and go into a Premier League season on that high. It's what he and Villa need. Bayern, that's all Villa have mate. Years and years of under-investment, relying on the youth players and cheapsters from the lower league, hoping to provide consistent Premiership quality.... and to some degree it's worked. I think Ciaran Clark is a decent player (youth player) and Westwood looks decent (bought from Crewe as a youngster).... but it's just not sustainable. You have to invest at some point, otherwise you have the situation they're in now. So can you blame them for pinning their hopes on one of their brightest young talents? The problem is, the players around him are also dreadful. I agree, if Villa went down, they could start to bring the change that they need. As for Grealish, I think somewhere like Stoke he would flourish but there we go.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 26, 2015 11:44:24 GMT
I seem to remember his 'breakthrough' game being in one of the cups last year. Probably against lower league or B-side opposition. Earned a MOTM and the media machine kicked in. He was probably a scrote before but now he's a bigheaded deluded scrote and wouldn't want him near SCFC. Needs straightening out. It was in the semi final against Liverpool. Agree he's dramatically hit and miss and overrated but all this 'think of the children' stuff because a young lad has the odd night out makes me feel a bit queasy. Totally agree
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 26, 2015 11:59:36 GMT
He had moments but he never did anything much. They are shit and he may be a good player but he's no Premier League player yet and their belief in him is misguided. It's one of the reason I think they'll do well in the Championship. It probably rip that league to shreads, score 10 goals, be high on confidence and go into a Premier League season on that high. It's what he and Villa need. Bayern, that's all Villa have mate. Years and years of under-investment, relying on the youth players and cheapsters from the lower league, hoping to provide consistent Premiership quality.... and to some degree it's worked. I think Ciaran Clark is a decent player (youth player) and Westwood looks decent (bought from Crewe as a youngster).... but it's just not sustainable. You have to invest at some point, otherwise you have the situation they're in now. So can you blame them for pinning their hopes on one of their brightest young talents? The problem is, the players around him are also dreadful. I agree, if Villa went down, they could start to bring the change that they need. As for Grealish, I think somewhere like Stoke he would flourish but there we go. I agree and it's why I think we need generally spend more. Yes. When they're not ready and in a scrap, he's not the sort you need or he's not the sort you need with the others they have. He's not good enough for the Premier League yet. I couldn't give two fucks about the drinking, that's up to him. But he needs to be in a positive environment where he can mistakes. Villa isn't that place. As such he'll get a lot of stick.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 26, 2015 12:08:22 GMT
Bayern, that's all Villa have mate. Years and years of under-investment, relying on the youth players and cheapsters from the lower league, hoping to provide consistent Premiership quality.... and to some degree it's worked. I think Ciaran Clark is a decent player (youth player) and Westwood looks decent (bought from Crewe as a youngster).... but it's just not sustainable. You have to invest at some point, otherwise you have the situation they're in now. So can you blame them for pinning their hopes on one of their brightest young talents? The problem is, the players around him are also dreadful. I agree, if Villa went down, they could start to bring the change that they need. As for Grealish, I think somewhere like Stoke he would flourish but there we go. I agree and it's why I think we need generally spend more. Yes. When they're not ready and in a scrap, he's not the sort you need or he's not the sort you need with the others they have. He's not good enough for the Premier League yet. I couldn't give two fucks about the drinking, that's up to him. But he needs to be in a positive environment where he can mistakes. Villa isn't that place. As such he'll get a lot of stick. I think we've spent wisely and Hughes has used all of his strings to pull us some goodwill at Barca. Villa fans would kill for a player like Bojan right now, or Arnautovic, or Shaqiri. Any of those. Look at their first 11 against Everton? They've got the less talented Ayew brother and mostly cast offs that we wouldn't dream of signing. How the hell Kieran Richardson is still a Premier League football is beyond me... Alan Hutton? Dear me. You only have to look at Villa, and you see that actually, we've spent money... better yet, we've spent it brilliantly. Another feather in Hughes cap.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 26, 2015 12:10:59 GMT
I agree and it's why I think we need generally spend more. Yes. When they're not ready and in a scrap, he's not the sort you need or he's not the sort you need with the others they have. He's not good enough for the Premier League yet. I couldn't give two fucks about the drinking, that's up to him. But he needs to be in a positive environment where he can mistakes. Villa isn't that place. As such he'll get a lot of stick. I think we've spent wisely and Hughes has used all of his strings to pull us some goodwill at Barca. Villa fans would kill for a player like Bojan right now, or Arnautovic, or Shaqiri. Any of those. Look at their first 11 against Everton? They've got the less talented Ayew brother and mostly cast offs. How the hell Kieran Richardson is still a Premier League football is beyond me. You only have to look at Villa, and you see that actually, we've spent money... better yet, we've spent it brilliantly. Another feather in Hughes cap. We have spent wisely on the whole, doesn't mean we haven't underinvested......we have.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 26, 2015 12:12:07 GMT
I think we've spent wisely and Hughes has used all of his strings to pull us some goodwill at Barca. Villa fans would kill for a player like Bojan right now, or Arnautovic, or Shaqiri. Any of those. Look at their first 11 against Everton? They've got the less talented Ayew brother and mostly cast offs. How the hell Kieran Richardson is still a Premier League football is beyond me. You only have to look at Villa, and you see that actually, we've spent money... better yet, we've spent it brilliantly. Another feather in Hughes cap. We have spent wisely on the whole, doesn't mean we haven't underinvested......we have. Yet we have the potential for a top 8 finish?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 26, 2015 12:17:19 GMT
We have spent wisely on the whole, doesn't mean we haven't underinvested......we have. Yet we have the potential for a top 8 finish? Yup on a very minimal net spend. Good isn't it! If Hughes was given the backing TP was then God only know what could happen.
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Post by Bick on Nov 26, 2015 12:43:09 GMT
Without the proper support network around them, any young up and comer can easily have their head turned by the more 'fun' things in life...
AVFC should work harder to keep him on track.
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Post by NassauDave on Nov 26, 2015 12:57:46 GMT
Has he ever actually been any good? Even when people were saying he was he wasn't really playing that well. The issue with young English players in a nutshell right here. He is a very good player, but he really needs to grow up and focus on the gift that is his ability and career.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 26, 2015 12:59:00 GMT
Has he ever actually been any good? Even when people were saying he was he wasn't really playing that well. The issue with young English players in a nutshell right here. He is a very good player, but he really needs to grow up and focus on the gift that is his ability and career. Not yet he isn't. He has the potential to be. But nothing more.
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Post by staffsvilla on Nov 26, 2015 13:06:39 GMT
Without the proper support network around them, any young up and comer can easily have their head turned by the more 'fun' things in life... AVFC should work harder to keep him on track. The whole club is a joke and sadly Grealish is just the latest scapegoat to take the pressure off the real culprits Lerner & Fox(and Falkner before him),all Grealish has done is use really bad timing to do what all young men of that age do, go out and unwind after 'work' !
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Post by KevinWhimper on Nov 26, 2015 14:03:24 GMT
I'd be more than happy to have him here. He's got bags of potential.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 26, 2015 14:21:13 GMT
Yet we have the potential for a top 8 finish? Yup on a very minimal net spend. Good isn't it! If Hughes was given the backing TP was then God only know what could happen. We'd win the Champions League? No. We'd probably be somewhere around where we are now....
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Nov 26, 2015 14:27:18 GMT
Without the proper support network around them, any young up and comer can easily have their head turned by the more 'fun' things in life... AVFC should work harder to keep him on track. The whole club is a joke and sadly Grealish is just the latest scapegoat to take the pressure off the real culprits Lerner & Fox(and Falkner before him),all Grealish has done is use really bad timing to do what all young men of that age do, go out and unwind after 'work' ! Looking from the outside (and I actually like the Villa) it seems the club is like a roller coaster, slowly climbing to near the top (Saunders, MoN, O'Leary for a short time) then bumping along somewhere in the middle before the big and massive descent like you experience on The Big One. Crying shame really that such a big club have been eclipsed by the likes of Watford, Norwich, Leicester and the rest. To me that's the big picture and it does the powers that be no credit to deflect the attention away to the small fish like Like Jack Grealish.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 26, 2015 14:28:53 GMT
Yup on a very minimal net spend. Good isn't it! If Hughes was given the backing TP was then God only know what could happen. We'd win the Champions League? No. We'd probably be somewhere around where we are now.... I think we'd be higher. If we had a proper midfielder in this side and some better back ups we'd be well away.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 26, 2015 14:33:22 GMT
Without the proper support network around them, any young up and comer can easily have their head turned by the more 'fun' things in life... AVFC should work harder to keep him on track. The whole club is a joke and sadly Grealish is just the latest scapegoat to take the pressure off the real culprits Lerner & Fox(and Falkner before him),all Grealish has done is use really bad timing to do what all young men of that age do, go out and unwind after 'work' ! Hence my point above... it's not his fault you're shit (no offence). They're effectively using a human shield ("you are a disgrace to this club because you went out and get pissed...... while we sit here and refuse to invest and run the club into the ground")
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Post by metalhead on Nov 26, 2015 14:35:17 GMT
We'd win the Champions League? No. We'd probably be somewhere around where we are now.... I think we'd be higher. If we had a proper midfielder in this side and some better back ups we'd be well away. Is this where you explain how much we miss N'Zonzi?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 26, 2015 14:36:22 GMT
I think we'd be higher. If we had a proper midfielder in this side and some better back ups we'd be well away. Is this where you explain how much we miss N'Zonzi? No. It's where your prejudices get in the way clearly!
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Post by metalhead on Nov 26, 2015 14:45:51 GMT
Is this where you explain how much we miss N'Zonzi? No. It's where your prejudices get in the way clearly! Not at all.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Nov 26, 2015 15:07:52 GMT
Another bellend who will end up chucking it all away like many others have.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 26, 2015 16:01:11 GMT
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Post by mondeoman on Nov 26, 2015 16:58:18 GMT
Jack Grealish --- is wank.
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Post by samba :) on Nov 26, 2015 19:44:49 GMT
So I take it you lot don't want him here then if Villa get relegated? no if Ginkel went out in London after the arsenal game you'd want him sent straight back
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 26, 2015 20:06:24 GMT
So I take it you lot don't want him here then if Villa get relegated? no if Ginkel went out in London after the arsenal game you'd want him sent straight back Eh? I wouldn't give a fuck.
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