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Post by Northy on Nov 24, 2015 14:31:41 GMT
Some people forget that cyclists have a "right" to use the road. Motorists on the other hand, have no such "right" - they have to qualify. Cars have to be taxed and insured to be on the roads as well ....
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 24, 2015 14:40:32 GMT
Is it an offence to drunk ride?
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Post by slicko on Nov 24, 2015 15:29:04 GMT
Is it an offence to drunk ride? Ask ya girlfriend?
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 24, 2015 15:45:30 GMT
Is it an offence to drunk ride? Ask ya girlfriend? Congratulations, you must be very proud of that astonishingly witty zinger.
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Post by capto on Nov 24, 2015 17:11:53 GMT
Is it an offence to drunk ride? If you mean is it an offence to ride a bike while over the limit, yes, I'm sure it is and applies to all road users - pretty sure I read a few months ago of someone who was arrested for being over the limit on a mobility scooter in castle, I think - but pretty obvious really
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Nov 24, 2015 19:13:42 GMT
Some people forget that cyclists have a "right" to use the road. Motorists on the other hand, have no such "right" - they have to qualify. Cars have to be taxed and insured to be on the roads as well .... Can you guess how much it would be to tax an emissionless form of transport?
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Post by Northy on Nov 24, 2015 21:55:13 GMT
Cars have to be taxed and insured to be on the roads as well .... Can you guess how much it would be to tax an emissionless form of transport? Not a lot, but the insurance might be a bit more I was on a coach a couple of weeks ago, going over Westminster bridge, there is a cycle lane over it, in front of us I saw 1 cyclist just pull out of the cycle lane into the coaches path without even looking, the coach had to brake suddenly or else they would have been flattened
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 22:13:28 GMT
Can you guess how much it would be to tax an emissionless form of transport? Not a lot, but the insurance might be a bit more I was on a coach a couple of weeks ago, going over Westminster bridge, there is a cycle lane over it, in front of us I saw 1 cyclist just pull out of the cycle lane into the coaches path without even looking, the coach had to brake suddenly or else they would have been flattened Are you sure it was not the coach driver who was not looking. I mean if i indicate to turn right, how many cars or other vehicles go past and ignore my signal. If i am ahead of the car and i indicate, i have the right of way yet 4/5 cars regularly ignore my signal and just overtake me.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 25, 2015 2:44:31 GMT
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Post by petemac on Nov 25, 2015 5:34:40 GMT
I would have thought it was straight forward. If the cyclist was undertaking then it's his fault and if the driver was overtaking then it's his fault.
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Nov 25, 2015 8:06:09 GMT
I drive, ride a motorcycle and also own a mountain bike. I have to say cyclists (sadly) are the worst road users by a mile and seem to have a victim mentality built in. I find it staggering that anyone would try to undertake a Lorry without realising the danger. Because the cyclist community is howling about certain high profile deaths and collisions, I believe it's inviting legislation upon itself. So we may in the future see, compulsory helmets, lights, and hi vis clothing. I feel these clashes occur with left turning vehicles because the modern cyclist has a sense of entitlement that seems to have replaced common sense. Having some caution will protect you more than a camera on your helmet.
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Post by owenvadar on Nov 25, 2015 8:21:19 GMT
Bad accident involving a cyclist and a car in Talke this morning so if your driving up that way and wonder why the traffic is heavier than normal now u know
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Post by owenvadar on Nov 25, 2015 8:22:57 GMT
I drive, ride a motorcycle and also own a mountain bike. I have to say cyclists (sadly) are the worst road users by a mile and seem to have a victim mentality built in. I find it staggering that anyone would try to undertake a Lorry without realising the danger. Because the cyclist community is howling about certain high profile deaths and collisions, I believe it's inviting legislation upon itself. So we may in the future see, compulsory helmets, lights, and hi vis clothing. I feel these clashes occur with left turning vehicles because the modern cyclist has a sense of entitlement that seems to have replaced common sense. Having some caution will protect you more than a camera on your helmet. Agree with every word .
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Nov 25, 2015 9:02:31 GMT
Can you guess how much it would be to tax an emissionless form of transport? Not a lot, but the insurance might be a bit more I was on a coach a couple of weeks ago, going over Westminster bridge, there is a cycle lane over it, in front of us I saw 1 cyclist just pull out of the cycle lane into the coaches path without even looking, the coach had to brake suddenly or else they would have been flattened It would be zero pence for tax. 3rd party insurance is included in a membership to British Cycling and for that you also get free legal representation and pay to support public cycling events and various forms of competitive cycling - £20 a year. Some numbers to put that into context: Westminster council found that in incidents where cyclists were killed in collisions that they were at fault 20% of the time, motorists 70% of the time and 10% no blame attributed.* Last year 4 pedestrians were killed by cyclists, with the cyclist at fault in 3 of those cases. Most years there are 1 or 2 of these deaths.* 2013 KSI figures: www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/322643/rrcgb-main-results-2013-infographic.pdfNot saying there aren't plenty of dickhead cyclists about but they are mostly a danger to themselves. *remembering these numbers off the top of my head so may be inaccurate.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 25, 2015 9:35:26 GMT
I drive, ride a motorcycle and also own a mountain bike. I have to say cyclists (sadly) are the worst road users by a mile and seem to have a victim mentality built in. I find it staggering that anyone would try to undertake a Lorry without realising the danger. Because the cyclist community is howling about certain high profile deaths and collisions, I believe it's inviting legislation upon itself. So we may in the future see, compulsory helmets, lights, and hi vis clothing. I feel these clashes occur with left turning vehicles because the modern cyclist has a sense of entitlement that seems to have replaced common sense. Having some caution will protect you more than a camera on your helmet. Its unbelievable isn’t it, some of them have no instinct of self preservation what so ever.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 11:58:33 GMT
Is it an offence to drunk ride? If you mean is it an offence to ride a bike while over the limit, yes, but pretty obvious really I don't think that the legal limit for driving a car applies to bicycles.
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Post by Northy on Nov 25, 2015 13:22:34 GMT
I drive, ride a motorcycle and also own a mountain bike. I have to say cyclists (sadly) are the worst road users by a mile and seem to have a victim mentality built in. I find it staggering that anyone would try to undertake a Lorry without realising the danger. Because the cyclist community is howling about certain high profile deaths and collisions, I believe it's inviting legislation upon itself. So we may in the future see, compulsory helmets, lights, and hi vis clothing. I feel these clashes occur with left turning vehicles because the modern cyclist has a sense of entitlement that seems to have replaced common sense. Having some caution will protect you more than a camera on your helmet. I saw one this morning, totally ignore a red light and trying to cross the traffic, regularly see them without lights on, thick as fook some of them
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 25, 2015 14:27:59 GMT
I saw a cyclist go through a red light going up the hill at Waterloo Rd lights, it took him an age and he nearly got knocked off his bike by a van going across which had his view blocked by an HGV that was waiting to turn right, the cyclist then went mad at the van driver. It’s like some of them are daring you to hit them.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 25, 2015 16:00:20 GMT
Not road cyclists like you folk - but something that worries me. Folk cycling dressed in black in the dark. Nearly hit a girl the other day. I was at a T-junction going left. Opposite is darkness, street lighting very poor. I sense more than see a dark object and next moment a girl dressed in black on a back with a limp front light passed in front of me. Seen quite a lot of this in the past few weeks - when you're seeing shadows moving rather than an obvious road user. BTW - my eyesight is fine! If you cycling in darkness - wear hi vis clothes. Frankly I'd make it a law for cyclists - proper clothes and proper lights. Get fucking seen! Apologies for wandering off subject a little. Problem is they are not allowed to wear yellow until they win something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 20:57:33 GMT
No brainer. It is the taxi drivers fault. He indicated far too late and every experienced driver knows if you are turning left or right you should check your mirrors. The fact he is a taxi driver in london and in slow moving traffic he should have known better. If he had indicated earlier he would have given the cyclist more time to make a decision weather to stop or be an idiot. As it happened the taxi driver did not give the cyclist that option.
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Post by petemac on Nov 26, 2015 18:48:46 GMT
No brainer. It is the taxi drivers fault. He indicated far too late and every experienced driver knows if you are turning left or right you should check your mirrors. The fact he is a taxi driver in london and in slow moving traffic he should have known better. If he had indicated earlier he would have given the cyclist more time to make a decision weather to stop or be an idiot. As it happened the taxi driver did not give the cyclist that option. Sorry but being a cyclist I have to say this is the cyclists fault. Yes the taxi driver does not indicate in time 'but' you should not undertake at any junction, because you should expect an unexpected turn, because his indicators could be faulty.
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Post by stoke111 on Nov 27, 2015 12:42:29 GMT
Don't mind proper cyclists that know what they are doing but what I can't stand is part time cyclists that think it's ok to go through a red light! If you want to be respected on the road and treated like a vehicle then they should also respect the laws of the road!
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 27, 2015 13:57:16 GMT
Don't mind proper cyclists that know what they are doing but what I can't stand is part time cyclists that think it's ok to go through a red light! If you want to be respected on the road and treated like a vehicle then they should also respect the laws of the road! Here here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 0:08:03 GMT
No brainer. It is the taxi drivers fault. He indicated far too late and every experienced driver knows if you are turning left or right you should check your mirrors. The fact he is a taxi driver in london and in slow moving traffic he should have known better. If he had indicated earlier he would have given the cyclist more time to make a decision weather to stop or be an idiot. As it happened the taxi driver did not give the cyclist that option. Sorry but being a cyclist I have to say this is the cyclists fault. Yes the taxi driver does not indicate in time 'but' you should not undertake at any junction, because you should expect an unexpected turn, because his indicators could be faulty. Checking your mirrors is part of your driving test, and you are told to check them when you turn in every single driving lesson. The bottom line is a taxi driver spends hours and hours on the road and should be an experienced driver. This for me is a school boy error by the driver he made two clear errors by not indicating in time and checking his mirrors before turning.. You can make of it what you like but it is the driver who is in control of a deadly machine not the cyclist. I have not watched the video again but i think another cyclist had over taken prior to the cyclist he hit, so bearing that in mind the taxi driver should have been more aware and expected that others may follow. I don't disagree some cyclists go about their business as though they are invincible, but this particular cyclist did not do too much wrong when travelling past slow moving traffic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 0:20:05 GMT
Don't mind proper cyclists that know what they are doing but what I can't stand is part time cyclists that think it's ok to go through a red light! If you want to be respected on the road and treated like a vehicle then they should also respect the laws of the road! Not all car drivers are saints you know. Many times they go through red lights too, on mobile phones, tablets, laptops (yes laptops), putting make up on, speeding the list goes on. So despite you wanting cyclists to respect the roads, i think cars, vans etc should do so to.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 28, 2015 8:23:08 GMT
If you mean is it an offence to ride a bike while over the limit, yes, but pretty obvious really I don't think that the legal limit for driving a car applies to bicycles. Nor me, never heard of a cyclist being breathalysed, that's not to say it doesn't happen obviously. I have vague recollections of an Irish Navy mate being done for drunk in charge of a bike years ago in Ireland but he was totally hammered at the time.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 28, 2015 8:35:53 GMT
I don't think that the legal limit for driving a car applies to bicycles. Nor me, never heard of a cyclist being breathalysed, that's not to say it doesn't happen obviously. I have vague recollections of an Irish Navy mate being done for drunk in charge of a bike years ago in Ireland but he was totally hammered at the time. I remember once being on a promise whilst out of my tree & riding a bike to said promise. I rode into a parked car & landed on the bonnet. Needless to say, I got straight back on that bike...
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