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Post by nott1 on Nov 14, 2015 12:25:51 GMT
Isn't it time to instigate a proper reserve league with promotion and relegation, and perhaps cup competitions? Surely would be good for our fringe players to get regular game time!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 12:43:00 GMT
That's what U21's are there for. Anything else and it's B team territory.
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 14, 2015 12:54:07 GMT
The old central league used to work .
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Post by jarvinski on Nov 14, 2015 13:22:55 GMT
Yes it did, and after watching the under 21's get mauled by Leicester, the sooner it is reinstated the better, because it was men against boys on thursday and very obvious that some of these lads are a million miles away from making professional footballers
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Post by waddosnavy on Nov 14, 2015 14:45:48 GMT
Ideally a reserve league would be welcome. However, unlike the early 60's when no substitutes were allowed and then the late 60's when only 1 substitute was allowed, we now have a bench full of players, of which 3 may/will be called upon to perform in Premier League matches. Add to this televised games, which means PL matches aren't just played on Saturdays, make the task of organising a meaningful Reserve league on a regular basis virtually impossible. If we returned to no substitutes, or just one named substitute and a proper reserve league (aka Central League), would we have a fitter more developed squad, and would the players really have to earn their money by having to perform for 90 minutes?
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 14, 2015 15:28:05 GMT
Ideally a reserve league would be welcome. However, unlike the early 60's when no substitutes were allowed and then the late 60's when only 1 substitute was allowed, we now have a bench full of players, of which 3 may/will be called upon to perform in Premier League matches. Add to this televised games, which means PL matches aren't just played on Saturdays, make the task of organising a meaningful Reserve league on a regular basis virtually impossible. If we returned to no substitutes, or just one named substitute and a proper reserve league (aka Central League), would we have a fitter more developed squad, and would the players really have to earn their money by having to perform for 90 minutes? Could not reserve games be midweek? Even used as active fitness test`s in a man to man environment.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 14, 2015 17:12:54 GMT
Ideally a reserve league would be welcome. However, unlike the early 60's when no substitutes were allowed and then the late 60's when only 1 substitute was allowed, we now have a bench full of players, of which 3 may/will be called upon to perform in Premier League matches. Add to this televised games, which means PL matches aren't just played on Saturdays, make the task of organising a meaningful Reserve league on a regular basis virtually impossible. If we returned to no substitutes, or just one named substitute and a proper reserve league (aka Central League), would we have a fitter more developed squad, and would the players really have to earn their money by having to perform for 90 minutes? Could not reserve games be midweek? Even used as active fitness test`s in a man to man environment. Both good comments.
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 14, 2015 17:18:06 GMT
The old central league used to work . Used to go to the vic to watch the reserves in central league fixtures . Great way to blood youngsters and bringing back players from injuries , saw some really good games
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Post by nott1 on Nov 14, 2015 17:25:37 GMT
The old central league used to work . Used to go to the vic to watch the reserves in central league fixtures . Great way to blood youngsters and bringing back players from injuries , saw some really good games Me too, and it was free with your ST.
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 14, 2015 17:35:31 GMT
Used to go to the vic to watch the reserves in central league fixtures . Great way to blood youngsters and bringing back players from injuries , saw some really good games Me too, and it was free with your ST. Couldn't afford a ST back then , £12 a week mate
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 14, 2015 20:26:46 GMT
It's an obvious way to retain match fitness in those not selected as well as allowing Academy players to get game time with first team squad.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 14, 2015 21:44:45 GMT
My Dad used to do some stewarding at the Central League games at The Vic and took me along regularly, loved it.
I'm probably one of a select few to have been involved in 'hooliganism' at a reserve game :D
I was probably about 8 or 9 when a kid about my age came up to my Dad at a game he was stewarding and asked him if I was his kid and could I fight, my old man said yes he is, why don't you give it a go, so the kid and me went toe to toe for a few minutes until he'd had enough.
One of the more bizarre episodes of my Stoke following life :D
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 15, 2015 11:41:56 GMT
I regularly ran the line in the central leauges. Referees were football lge linesmen, or more "junior FL refs"
This was part of the pyramid of progression for officials.
Games were from my recollection mainly mid week, with some played on a Sat., and played at a good competitive pace. Very good for first teamers coming back from injury .etc.
I ran the line at a cent lge game at A Villa v Man U some years ago and it was announced on local radio that following a long lay off due to injury that Brian Robson would be playing. Nearly 10,000 turned up
The games were nearly always attended by the managers/first team coach. So they must have thought they were important.
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Post by PB1863 on Nov 15, 2015 12:04:46 GMT
I read Pej talking about this Comp and it's s brilliant idea. Maybe make it that it has to be 50/50 mix of players in the '25' and u21's.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 15, 2015 12:14:24 GMT
Most clearly I remember when the first team was away the reserves played at home. Lots of people watching the reserves whilst listening to a tranny!
Willie Johnstone told me to shut up at a reserve game
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 15, 2015 12:20:35 GMT
I read Pej talking about this Comp and it's s brilliant idea. Maybe make it that it has to be 50/50 mix of players in the '25' and u21's. The real benefit to the Central in my opinion was the fact that it was open to all ages so promising youngster`s could get competitive game time alongside seasoned pros. on there way down,bet Crooks,Chapman ,Heath,Smithy and many more would would endorse it`s return.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 15, 2015 17:28:13 GMT
I read Pej talking about this Comp and it's s brilliant idea. Maybe make it that it has to be 50/50 mix of players in the '25' and u21's. The real benefit to the Central in my opinion was the fact that it was open to all ages so promising youngster`s could get competitive game time alongside seasoned pros. on there way down,bet Crooks,Chapman ,Heath,Smithy and many more would would endorse it`s return. Totally correct. could also experiment with combinations and tactics etc whilst still a COMPETATIVE game. I did many games at the Vic. I was based in the South of the county, although born and bred in SOT. was never asked if I supported anybody !!! Did not make any difference.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 15, 2015 17:56:32 GMT
The real benefit to the Central in my opinion was the fact that it was open to all ages so promising youngster`s could get competitive game time alongside seasoned pros. on there way down,bet Crooks,Chapman ,Heath,Smithy and many more would would endorse it`s return. Totally correct. could also experiment with combinations and tactics etc whilst still in COMPETATIVE game. i did many games at the Vic. Was never asked who I supported.!!!! Did not make any difference. I used to work with a local linesman (Stanley area) name of Derek Cashmore, a very long time ago. Do you know him?
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 15, 2015 18:26:56 GMT
The name rings a bell. Was he more N Staffs based ?
As I lived in S Staffs my feeder legs were the Staffs Cty Lge (south) and then W Mid Lge, whilst Staffs F A tended to go via N Prem Lge. on reflection probably a better route .
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Post by retired1 on Nov 15, 2015 18:32:20 GMT
can you imagine what some clubs' reseve teams would look like. they would cost more than our first team.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 15, 2015 18:49:06 GMT
can you imagine what some clubs' reseve teams would look like. they would cost more than our first team. That was the beauty of the system . Up and coming players, referees and linesmen were playing with and against seasoned pro's. I have sat having cups of tea with the likes of Docherty, (at wolves), Atkinson (WBA) and an unforgettable experience of Clough at Villa Park, to name a few. This was the central Lge.. It has to be good for players either on the way up or down. Referres and Linesmen learnt the trade ! It produced some top notch officials over the years. (not so much TV Analysis then) I think they used to call things like that Apprenticeships!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 15, 2015 18:51:24 GMT
Teams can still put out a team with 3 or 4 first teamers in but generally choose not to.
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Post by cooper67 on Nov 15, 2015 21:35:59 GMT
I remember watching a Stoke reserve match against Chelsea at The Brit in the 1st/2nd year after getting promoted.Our 11 included 10 1st teamers who weren't perhaps getting much game time (Louis Moult was the 11th) and people coming back from injury.Chelsea included an experienced winger who they had just signed to get him match fit.Stoke won 3-2.Can anybody name the teams as Chelsea had a few youngsters playing for them who looked useful
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 15, 2015 21:43:43 GMT
I remember watching a Stoke reserve match against Chelsea at The Brit in the 1st/2nd year after getting promoted.Our 11 included 10 1st teamers who weren't perhaps getting much game time (Louis Moult was the 11th) and people coming back from injury.Chelsea included an experienced winger who they had just signed to get him match fit.Stoke won 3-2.Can anybody name the teams as Chelsea had a few youngsters playing for them who looked useful The winger was Quaresma. He was hassled nigh on bullied by 400ish Stokies in attendance that night. He got sent off (I think) and got proper wound up and was giving the crowd verbals as he walked off. Absolutely hilarious. I'll have the teamsheet for it somewhere.
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Post by cooper67 on Nov 15, 2015 23:50:49 GMT
I remember watching a Stoke reserve match against Chelsea at The Brit in the 1st/2nd year after getting promoted.Our 11 included 10 1st teamers who weren't perhaps getting much game time (Louis Moult was the 11th) and people coming back from injury.Chelsea included an experienced winger who they had just signed to get him match fit.Stoke won 3-2.Can anybody name the teams as Chelsea had a few youngsters playing for them who looked useful The winger was Quaresma. He was hassled nigh on bullied by 400ish Stokies in attendance that night. He got sent off (I think) and got proper wound up and was giving the crowd verbals as he walked off. Absolutely hilarious. I'll have the teamsheet for it somewhere. That was the lad-can't remember whether he got sent off or not but yes we gave him loads of stick.He definately didn't fancy it on a cold Tues/Weds night in Stoke because as soon as anyone went near him he was moaning-a bit like the current Chelsea side.Yeah if you can find the team sheet that would be great Bayern.We put out a side that would have been a decent Championship team if I remember rightly.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 16, 2015 12:34:15 GMT
The name rings a bell. Was he more N Staffs based ? As I lived in S Staffs my feeder legs were the Staffs Cty Lge (south) and then W Mid Lge, whilst Staffs F A tended to go via N Prem Lge. on reflection probably a better route . Yes N.Staffs, and he was a linesman with the Football League at First (top) Division as was, but I don't know if he graduated to ref status.He did ref in the Northern Premier League.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 16, 2015 12:52:50 GMT
One idea to make it more competitive and interesting is to let just the reserve "winners" enter next seasons League Cup competition.
A bit like the Premier League top 4 enter the Champions League, let the Reserve League winner or top 2 enter the League Cup as B Team.
Im not a fan of B-teams entering our national leagues at ALL let me add, but maybe it wont hurt so much in a Cup competition. Both the cups have been pretty de-valued over the years anyway
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Post by kustokie on Nov 16, 2015 14:37:47 GMT
I am really looking forward to this. If the England (and the manager) showed half the spirit the Irish do, we'd be owreit..
oops. wrng thread. Oh well, still looking forward to it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 14:54:48 GMT
Ahh, the old central league games. If the first team were away the reserves were at home. Quite often the fixtures were worked to mirror the first teams. If Stoke were away at Everton then the reserves would be at home against Everton. Saw some good games at the Vic and always managed to raid the store room of the programme shop durging the game too.
The pies were always a bit crusty and chewy though. Think they must have been left overs from the previous league game !
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Post by kustokie on Nov 16, 2015 16:02:52 GMT
The old central league used to work . Used to go to the vic to watch the reserves in central league fixtures . Great way to blood youngsters and bringing back players from injuries , saw some really good games Me too! Good ole days. The pitch was entirely mud. No exaggeration!
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