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Post by bathstoke on Nov 13, 2015 8:15:51 GMT
Medicine!
Gov are discussing banning Doctors from prescribing homeopathic treatment in a drive to cut the deficit. However, the NHS spend the relatively small price of £4m a year on homeopathy
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Post by Skankmonkey on Nov 13, 2015 12:26:25 GMT
Medicine! Gov are discussing banning Doctors from prescribing homeopathic treatment in a drive to cut the deficit. However, the NHS spend the relatively small price of £4m a year on homeopathy I don't know what to think about this. I can't see any reason why homeopathy should work and there is apparently no decent evidence that it does. Ergo why should the NHS fund it? The rationalist in me says get shot of it as quackery and hocus pocus. However, it is a relatively small amount in the greater scheme of things and it seems some patients, for whatever reason (placebo??) are satisfied with their treatment. If homeopathy is no longer funded, presumably they would need to be treated instead with considerably more expensive conventional treatments. So it could end up costing more to get rid of in the long run. It is revealing that this is the argument the homeopaths seem to be using rather than a defence of their erm ... craft?? It's been boggling my mind this morning. The economist in me says it's down to a simple cost/benefit analysis. But I dread to think how much it would cost the NHS bureaucracy to conduct that. I have a headache now. I'll check if I have some sugar pills in the medicine cabinet... |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 13, 2015 12:55:55 GMT
Medicine! Gov are discussing banning Doctors from prescribing homeopathic treatment in a drive to cut the deficit. However, the NHS spend the relatively small price of £4m a year on homeopathy I have a headache now. I'll check if I have some sugar pills in the medicine cabinet... You don't want sugar pills for headache, You need Essence of Witches Bladder. It'll take your mind right off your headache  |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Nov 13, 2015 13:10:58 GMT
I have a headache now. I'll check if I have some sugar pills in the medicine cabinet... You don't want sugar pills for headache, You need Essence of Witches Bladder. It'll take your mind right off your headache Ta! Is it cheaper on prescription? |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 13, 2015 14:20:45 GMT
You don't want sugar pills for headache, You need Essence of Witches Bladder. It'll take your mind right off your headache Ta! Is it cheaper on prescription? I don't know, but I have heard it's about £20 a pop from some of those haggs up Burslem |
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 13, 2015 14:40:24 GMT
£4million could still pay for nearly 200 staff nurses.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Nov 13, 2015 15:17:58 GMT
£4million could still pay for nearly 200 staff nurses. Well there you go.
My gut feeling is to get shot obviously. It opens up a whole philosophical can of worms if a treatment is kept on purely because it is cheap and satisfies demand from some patients and has nowt to do with it being effective. It reinforces the notion of patients as customers rather than ill people needing help.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 13, 2015 17:29:23 GMT
£4million could still pay for nearly 200 staff nurses. Indeed. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 13, 2015 18:25:29 GMT
Medicine! Gov are discussing banning Doctors from prescribing homeopathic treatment in a drive to cut the deficit. However, the NHS spend the relatively small price of £4m a year on homeopathy It right pisses me off. It's been tested over and over again and it doesn't work better than sugar pills. Go buy whatever placebo you want on your own time, but the NHS shouldn't knowingly be funding a group that spreads pseudoscientific bullshit and could use "it's on the NHS so it must work" as advertising. |
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Post by localloser on Nov 13, 2015 22:06:55 GMT
Medicine! Gov are discussing banning Doctors from prescribing homeopathic treatment in a drive to cut the deficit. However, the NHS spend the relatively small price of £4m a year on homeopathy It right pisses me off. It's been tested over and over again and it doesn't work better than sugar pills. Go buy whatever placebo you want on your own time, but the NHS shouldn't knowingly be funding a group that spreads pseudoscientific bullshit and could use "it's on the NHS so it must work" as advertising. I agree with everything you say. However, don't knock the placebo effect - it does work!  |
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Post by pearo on Nov 13, 2015 22:59:24 GMT
£4million is a drop in the ocean in relation to the £20billion John Prescott spent on a computer system for the NHS that never worked!!
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 14, 2015 9:38:11 GMT
Medicine! Gov are discussing banning Doctors from prescribing homeopathic treatment in a drive to cut the deficit. However, the NHS spend the relatively small price of £4m a year on homeopathy It right pisses me off. It's been tested over and over again and it doesn't work better than sugar pills. Go buy whatever placebo you want on your own time, but the NHS shouldn't knowingly be funding a group that spreads pseudoscientific bullshit and could use "it's on the NHS so it must work" as advertising. How do you feel about Myalgic Encephalopathy/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/Fibromyalgia... |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 16, 2015 17:13:52 GMT
It right pisses me off. It's been tested over and over again and it doesn't work better than sugar pills. Go buy whatever placebo you want on your own time, but the NHS shouldn't knowingly be funding a group that spreads pseudoscientific bullshit and could use "it's on the NHS so it must work" as advertising. How do you feel about Myalgic Encephalopathy/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/Fibromyalgia... You should man the fuck up. No opinion really. It sounds shitty from what people say but unlike the claims of homeopathy I've never looked into it and it seems to exist . You got some personal experience with it? |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 16, 2015 17:16:18 GMT
It right pisses me off. It's been tested over and over again and it doesn't work better than sugar pills. Go buy whatever placebo you want on your own time, but the NHS shouldn't knowingly be funding a group that spreads pseudoscientific bullshit and could use "it's on the NHS so it must work" as advertising. I agree with everything you say. However, don't knock the placebo effect - it does work! I never meant to knock the placebo effect, I've been working on various hangocer cures based on it for a while now. I'm just not going to try and sell them as a cure-all and try to trick people into a shot of one part Pimm's and one part gravy instead of getting some real medicine for them or their children. |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 16, 2015 17:57:54 GMT
How do you feel about Myalgic Encephalopathy/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/Fibromyalgia... You should man the fuck up. No opinion really. It sounds shitty from what people say but unlike the claims of homeopathy I've never looked into it and it seems to exist . You got some personal experience with it? Only professionally & beyond that, I'm not willing to comment |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 16, 2015 18:00:24 GMT
I agree with everything you say. However, don't knock the placebo effect - it does work! I never meant to knock the placebo effect, I've been working on various hangocer cures based on it for a while now. I'm just not going to try and sell them as a cure-all and try to trick people into a shot of one part Pimm's and one part gravy instead of getting some real medicine for them or their children. Youre giving Pimms & gravy to your kids as a hangover cure. How old are they!?! |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 16, 2015 21:46:19 GMT
You should man the fuck up. No opinion really. It sounds shitty from what people say but unlike the claims of homeopathy I've never looked into it and it seems to exist . You got some personal experience with it? Only professionally & beyond that, I'm not willing to comment It must really make it difficult to work your night job I bet. As for Pimm's and gravy, that was a boxing day discovery a few years back and like most inventions it was pretty stupid. Luckily for my children, they don't exist but if I ever do sprog some I think 13 is probably when they'll need to learn Daddy's recipe? |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 16, 2015 22:52:51 GMT
I remember watching patients at St Edwards getting ECT . Absolutely no scientific evidence that running a few thousand volts through people cures depression but the people having it claimed it worked..Same with homeopathy..and much cheaper than ECT given the current cost of electricity.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 17, 2015 0:06:20 GMT
I remember watching patients at St Edwards getting ECT . Absolutely no scientific evidence that running a few thousand volts through people cures depression but the people having it claimed it worked..Same with homeopathy..and much cheaper than ECT given the current cost of electricity. ECT is still used, it's far less barbaric and distressing for patients, they use anaesthetics now. It does seem to have some efficacy as a treatment of last resort. There is interesting lessons to be learned from the tale of 'Shark cartilage'. An assumption that Sharks didn't contract cancer lead to the use of medicines derived from shark cartilage as a tumour suppressant. Extensive research, and increased marine biology knowledge disproved any effectiveness. Too late for hundreds of thousands of dead sharks and innumerable patients who relied on it as a treatment. It's gone out of favour and no longer prescribed, there is a stockpile of the pills, still sold in health/alternative medicine stores. There are numerous examples of GP's being schmoozed by drug companies to prescribe certain medicines. A decade ago there was a wave of loads of folk being prescribed Prozac, now it seems every other person is on Statins. There is loads of waste and duplication and swathes of middle managers and monitors who could feel the cuts before front line staff and medication. Cutting 'community care/support' and preventative projects is short sighted and having a massive knock on effect in hospital admissions and length of stay. Stronger more focused GP'ing, more tough love over patients lifestyle issues: diet, exercise etc would help. Environmental issues, available treatments and patients expectations are ever-changing and the health service is struggling to keep up. The health service needs to be healthier, fitter and more responsive itself. There are loads of staff care issues that need sorting, some simple stuff like parking and shift pattern adjustments could save money by cutting lateness/motivation/stress/sickness etc. As far as homeopathy, I havn't had enough experience of folk using it. Not convinced by homeopathy as I understand it: Synthesising something down to microscopic quantities and expecting them to have an effect. Can't help thinking that this has become a mini industry in itself and inevitably festooned with charlatans. By definition Homeopathy should be cost effective and don't see an issue with using them under a complimentary approach. While more research is undertaken. And of course if there's a placebo effect in that patients feel that they are at least doing something/taking control, and feel better for it then that's fine. But not for serious conditions like cancer. No objection for homeopathy to trat those with depression etc in the first instance rather than medication. {Especially young people, reducing the use of psycho-active drugs for OCD's, ADHD's etc}. As I understand it homeopathy is distinct from herbal remedies, which I do think have merit. Bring back the Apothecary. |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Nov 17, 2015 6:27:25 GMT
I'd like to buy some placebos, yet despite their effectiveness, I can't find anywhere that sells them.
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