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Post by sportsman on Jan 3, 2016 16:48:32 GMT
Until the club come out publicly and say piss off not a chance now or in the summer, or 25m and that's for sidwell, we'll always be looked at as easy picking, tin pot, small time, and not ambitious. 1 million percent correct. Until the powers that be move into the real world then the litany of players being under valued will continue. You only have to look at the stadium to see the club lack ambition. Be fair mate, we have just got the speakers sorted after 18 years!
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Post by drfootball on Jan 3, 2016 17:05:46 GMT
If Scholes lets Arnautovic go to PSG for anything less than £20million then he should resign. And Coates should sell the club. How many more players are SCFC going to give away? I assume you`re referring to player`s like Zonz and Bego.If you think we had any real say in them moving you have no idea how modern player contracts and transfers work.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2016 17:07:26 GMT
If Scholes lets Arnautovic go to PSG for anything less than £20million then he should resign. And Coates should sell the club. How many more players are SCFC going to give away? I assume you`re referring to player`s like Zonz and Bego.If you think we had any real say in them moving you have no idea how modern player contracts and transfers work. Is that right? How come other clubs appear to sell players for bonkers money yet we let players go for relatively nowt? And I'm going back decades. The list of players let go for peanuts is as long as your arm.
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Post by werrington on Jan 3, 2016 17:11:42 GMT
I assume you`re referring to player`s like Zonz and Bego.If you think we had any real say in them moving you have no idea how modern player contracts and transfers work. Is that right? How come other clubs appear to sell players for bonkers money yet we let players go for relatively nowt? And I'm going back decades. The list of players let go for peanuts is as long as your arm. Cmon pugs it depends how long they've got left on their contract mate If we sold Butland tomorrow he's worth £30m but if he had 18 months on his contract he'd be worth about 10 Bosman changed how it all works
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2016 17:18:35 GMT
Is that right? How come other clubs appear to sell players for bonkers money yet we let players go for relatively nowt? And I'm going back decades. The list of players let go for peanuts is as long as your arm. Cmon pugs it depends how long they've got left on their contract mate If we sold Butland tomorrow he's worth £30m but if he had 18 months on his contract he'd be worth about 10 Bosman changed how it all works So how come other clubs seem to sell for top dollar? We're not savvy enough mate, despite all the fancy dan interviews from the CE.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 3, 2016 17:23:31 GMT
Is that right? How come other clubs appear to sell players for bonkers money yet we let players go for relatively nowt? And I'm going back decades. The list of players let go for peanuts is as long as your arm. Cmon pugs it depends how long they've got left on their contract mate If we sold Butland tomorrow he's worth £30m but if he had 18 months on his contract he'd be worth about 10 Bosman changed how it all works So how come Southampton and Newcastle always get 20m plus bids?
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Post by werrington on Jan 3, 2016 17:23:30 GMT
Cmon pugs it depends how long they've got left on their contract mate If we sold Butland tomorrow he's worth £30m but if he had 18 months on his contract he'd be worth about 10 Bosman changed how it all works So how come other clubs seem to sell for top dollar? We're not savvy enough mate, despite all the fancy dan interviews from the CE. Over the years I don't disagree mate but when a player has only 18 months on a contract the club has acdecision to make as we saw last summer with the other 2 It round be financial madness to let a player run his contract down when money is guaranteed here and now and buying clubs aren't stupid and will only pay what they see fit I'll be as gutted as the next person if Arnie leaves but players have no affinity to SCFC as you or I do pugs as its just a job
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Post by werrington on Jan 3, 2016 17:24:02 GMT
Cmon pugs it depends how long they've got left on their contract mate If we sold Butland tomorrow he's worth £30m but if he had 18 months on his contract he'd be worth about 10 Bosman changed how it all works So how come Southampton and Newcastle always get 20m plus bids? Southampton players were mostly English and that makes s huge difference but how long was left on their contracts ? Newcastle ?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 3, 2016 17:25:27 GMT
Fucking hell. Calm down people you're whipping yourself into a frenzy.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2016 17:26:09 GMT
So how come other clubs seem to sell for top dollar? We're not savvy enough mate, despite all the fancy dan interviews from the CE. Over the years I don't disagree mate but when a player has only 18 months on a contract the club has acdecision to make as we saw last summer with the other 2 It round be financial madness to let a player run his contract down when money is guaranteed here and now and buying clubs aren't stupid and will only pay what they see fit I'll be as gutted as the next person if Arnie leaves but players have no affinity to SCFC as you or I do pugs as its just a job We might as well let contracts run down if we're giving them away for 7.5million quid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 17:27:37 GMT
Don't let them go.
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 3, 2016 17:32:01 GMT
So how come Southampton and Newcastle always get 20m plus bids? Southampton players were mostly English and that makes s huge difference but how long was left on their contracts ? Newcastle ? I think he's alluding to Cabaye for £19mill although he went to PSG and is French and they have shit loads of money to burn.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 3, 2016 17:34:29 GMT
Southampton players were mostly English and that makes s huge difference but how long was left on their contracts ? Newcastle ? I think he's alluding to Cabaye for £19mill although he went to PSG and is French and they have shit loads of money to burn. And who's Arnie linked with? I rest my case in how a club views us and others. Act small you get treated small.
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Post by werrington on Jan 3, 2016 17:37:24 GMT
I think he's alluding to Cabaye for £19mill although he went to PSG and is French and they have shit loads of money to burn. And who's Arnie linked with? I rest my case in how a club views us and others. Act small you get treated small. 2 things sporty 1 how long did Cabaye have left on his contract and 2 who says Stoke only value Arnie at £7.5m ? I think you are frothing for no reason tbh
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 3, 2016 17:38:58 GMT
I think he's alluding to Cabaye for £19mill although he went to PSG and is French and they have shit loads of money to burn. And who's Arnie linked with? I rest my case in how a club views us and others. Act small you get treated small. I know mate they can offer peanuts weather we accept or if it is even a legitimate bid is open to conjecture.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2016 17:39:05 GMT
Andy Carroll - £35million. They knew L'pool were flush with the Torres money and exploited the situation. Are we clever enough? We couldn't even get Demba Ba on loan ffs.
And it's not frothing at the mouth - it's genuine concern that our star players will be sold, like they have in the past, for considerably less than market value to clubs that are awash with money.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 3, 2016 17:46:26 GMT
And who's Arnie linked with? I rest my case in how a club views us and others. Act small you get treated small. 2 things sporty 1 how long did Cabaye have left on his contract and 2 who says Stoke only value Arnie at £7.5m ? I think you are frothing for no reason tbh This is the thing. There is now way we'd let Arnie go for that in all seriousness. My point is how clubs view us. If Arnie had the same contract left and played for any club above us would they start at 7.5m? Also if length of contract is always our problem, what Muppet is allowing it to keep happening? We have good people at the club but we've got to work on certain things and how and why we're viewed as tin pot.
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Post by werrington on Jan 3, 2016 17:49:27 GMT
2 things sporty 1 how long did Cabaye have left on his contract and 2 who says Stoke only value Arnie at £7.5m ? I think you are frothing for no reason tbh This is the thing. There is now way we'd let Arnie go for that in all seriousness. My point is how clubs view us. If Arnie had the same contract left and played for any club above us would they start at 7.5m? Also if length of contract is always our problem, what Muppet is allowing it to keep happening? We have good people at the club but we've got to work on certain things and how and why we're viewed as tin pot. Let what happen ? All players contracts go down and a club can't put a gun to their head to make them keep signing extensions
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 3, 2016 17:51:58 GMT
This is the thing. There is now way we'd let Arnie go for that in all seriousness. My point is how clubs view us. If Arnie had the same contract left and played for any club above us would they start at 7.5m? Also if length of contract is always our problem, what Muppet is allowing it to keep happening? We have good people at the club but we've got to work on certain things and how and why we're viewed as tin pot. Let what happen ? All players contracts go down and a club can't put a gun to their head to make them keep signing extensions Why not?
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Post by sportsman on Jan 3, 2016 17:53:20 GMT
This is the thing. There is now way we'd let Arnie go for that in all seriousness. My point is how clubs view us. If Arnie had the same contract left and played for any club above us would they start at 7.5m? Also if length of contract is always our problem, what Muppet is allowing it to keep happening? We have good people at the club but we've got to work on certain things and how and why we're viewed as tin pot. Let what happen ? All players contracts go down and a club can't put a gun to their head to make them keep signing extensions Well other clubs have bigger guns than us. Southampton are like dirty bloody Harry! If Arnie played for even Everton how much would they bid for Arnie? If stones played for stoke would Chelsea have bid 40m? Would they buggery.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2016 17:53:58 GMT
If Marko leaves we'll have Miralles as replacement. Everton will only want £5million for him surely?!?!?!?!
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Post by no1972 on Jan 3, 2016 17:58:22 GMT
Who said the club only value him at 7.5 million,the newspapers feed information from the agents,when we signed Arnie was it he came to sunny Stoke with a bye out clause we don't know,he has been offered a new contract like Eric who signed his,if we offer Arnie £100000 a week ,and he wants to play in the champions league then he won't sign a contract,so do we allow him to leave for nothing or cash in.And for those who say they won't renew there season tickets if certain players leave well do we need that type of supporter.
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Post by drfootball on Jan 3, 2016 18:02:19 GMT
If Marko leaves we'll have Miralles as replacement. Everton will only want £5million for him surely?!?!?!?![/quote Now that you`ve calmed down a bit,my point is that players are not fans.They don`t have the loyalty and affinity to the club that we do,it really is just a job and if a better offer come`s along they`ll take it.Be honest, in your work you`d do the same. Players have all the power these days and their agents are always touting them around as it`s financially in both their interest`s to do so.I hate it as much as you do but you can thank Jimmy Hill and Jon Marc Bosman for clubs being unable to keep players beyond they`re contracts or demand a fee if they choose to move.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 3, 2016 18:05:22 GMT
Who said the club only value him at 7.5 million,the newspapers feed information from the agents,when we signed Arnie was it he came to sunny Stoke with a bye out clause we don't know,he has been offered a new contract like Eric who signed his,if we offer Arnie £100000 a week ,and he wants to play in the champions league then he won't sign a contract,so do we allow him to leave for nothing or cash in.And for those who say they won't renew there season tickets if certain players leave well do we need that type of supporter. That's the point though. PSG value him at that because he plays for stoke. If sidwell was still in Chelsea's squad they'd bid more than that to get him!
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Post by drfootball on Jan 3, 2016 18:10:54 GMT
Who said the club only value him at 7.5 million,the newspapers feed information from the agents,when we signed Arnie was it he came to sunny Stoke with a bye out clause we don't know,he has been offered a new contract like Eric who signed his,if we offer Arnie £100000 a week ,and he wants to play in the champions league then he won't sign a contract,so do we allow him to leave for nothing or cash in.And for those who say they won't renew there season tickets if certain players leave well do we need that type of supporter. That's the point though. PSG value him at that because he plays for stoke. If sidwell was still in Chelsea's squad they'd bid more than that to get him! We can`t help who we are!
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2016 18:18:04 GMT
That's the point though. PSG value him at that because he plays for stoke. If sidwell was still in Chelsea's squad they'd bid more than that to get him! We can`t help who we are! Oh dear. The little old Stoke inferiority complex rears its ugly head once again.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 3, 2016 18:21:45 GMT
Andy Carroll - £35million. They knew L'pool were flush with the Torres money and exploited the situation. Are we clever enough? We couldn't even get Demba Ba on loan ffs. And it's not frothing at the mouth - it's genuine concern that our star players will be sold, like they have in the past, for considerably less than market value to clubs that are awash with money. Carroll had a longer contract than the others we sold, N'Zonzi for example.
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 3, 2016 18:24:35 GMT
Who said the club only value him at 7.5 million,the newspapers feed information from the agents,when we signed Arnie was it he came to sunny Stoke with a bye out clause we don't know,he has been offered a new contract like Eric who signed his,if we offer Arnie £100000 a week ,and he wants to play in the champions league then he won't sign a contract,so do we allow him to leave for nothing or cash in.And for those who say they won't renew there season tickets if certain players leave well do we need that type of supporter. That's the point though. PSG value him at that because he plays for stoke. If sidwell was still in Chelsea's squad they'd bid more than that to get him! If you read the article it says they bid £7.5mill in order to get them on the bidding table, it's like a game of poker when you have a royal flush, at first you keep making steady bets in the hope there's a few good hands around and the pot gets bigger untill the point comes when you go all in. It's a game just to let us know (if true) that they are interested, we say treble that then we'll start listening.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 3, 2016 18:32:25 GMT
Arnies been amazing for us this season but I am amazed at how much the views on him have changed in less than 9 months. He was seen as Moses understudy last year and there were people who were looking to get rid of him. He has started to show his potential and as such he is getting the attention his performances deserve. I would not be surprised to see us sign Yarmolenko this summer for free so would not be too concerned if Arnie left (despite him being a favourite of mine for quite a while).
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Post by sportsman on Jan 3, 2016 18:33:37 GMT
That's the point though. PSG value him at that because he plays for stoke. If sidwell was still in Chelsea's squad they'd bid more than that to get him! If you read the article it says they bid £7.5mill in order to get them on the bidding table, it's like a game of poker when you have a royal flush, at first you keep making steady bets in the hope there's a few good hands around and the pot gets bigger untill the point comes when you go all in. It's a game just to let us know (if true) that they are interested, we say treble that then we'll start listening. That's always my point though. Because we are viewed as little old stoke the opening offer is so low. We need to come out this week and publicly say no bugger is leaving this club no matter what price, or say it would take 20m before we even polish the boardroom table to sit down and negotiate at. We really need to start changing how we're viewed. Even as posted above, some of our fans view us as little old stoke.
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