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Post by starkerz14 on Oct 11, 2015 1:24:11 GMT
Shouldn't have got the job in the first place! Gudjon got us up and completed the "5 year plan" Gunnar Gislason had set and deserved a chance imo. Still who knows where we'd be now if things would've happened differently...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 7:32:00 GMT
Gudjon indeed deserved a chance.
I remember being on the oatcake when the cuntterill news being announced - it was late (10:30 / 11 ish). It was a real surprise.
Then we had the George "This club isn't for you" Burley let down, and the rest is history. That history being TP taking 9 games to chalk up a win, plummeting into the relegation zone, conceding 6 against Forest, splashing the cash on Crossley & Akinbiyi and avoiding relegation on the last day of the season, the binary season, golden shares stifling investment etc.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 11, 2015 7:44:09 GMT
We had the luckiest of lucky escapes with this tosser.
Abused him royally after our defeat away at Preston where his post match interview was one of the rudest and most ridiculous I'd ever heard (mourinho esque from a bloke who had achieved fuck all) and abused him even more when we slumped to defeat away at Bury.
The man was a fraud who shortly after those two games showed his true colours to those who hadn't spotted it.
A lower league plodder who will never be able to do a job at a higher level. Martin Allen without the charisma.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 11, 2015 8:09:08 GMT
Gudjon indeed deserved a chance. I remember being on the oatcake when the cuntterill news being announced - it was late (10:30 / 11 ish). It was a real surprise. Then we had the George "This club isn't for you" Burley let down, and the rest is history. That history being TP failing taking 9 games to chalk up a win, plummeting into the relegation zone, conceding 6 against Forest, splashing the cash on Crossley & Akinbiyi and avoiding relegation on the last day of the season, the binary season, golden shares stifling investment etc. Gudjon was lucky to survive the Walsall fiasco. His sacking wasn't controversial. it was absolutely the right thing to do.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 11, 2015 8:51:21 GMT
I love all this selective rewriting of history and agenda driven nonsense on this thread. Like all the stuff about the Icelanders. While their conduct towards the end once they realised that they weren't going to get to the Premier League without investing sums of money they didn't have/weren't prepared to put forward was poor, overall they did a decent job in stabilising a club who was on a fast track to oblivion. You have to remember how poor we were as a club in 1999 when they took over. We were in debt with a poor squad of players, we didn't own our own stadium and had an owner who wasn't prepared to sell without staying on the board with the golden shares. We were a very unattractive investment prospect and had no one come in we were going to be in big trouble. Coates and Humphreys didn't have the money we needed investing, the atmosphere from the supporters towards the board was poisonous and we really were in big big trouble. The Icelanders came in and quickly put in a decent sized investment which quickly turned us into a competitive Division Two side and we almost went up at the first attempt. We were lucky they came in at the time because there was no-one else interested and the status quo simply wasn't an option.
However what I will concede is at the end we were lucky that Coates was in a position to come back because the Icelanders had clearly lost interest and we'd have been on a fast track back to the third tier had Coates not been in a position to come back stronger than before. I guess history judges the Icelanders as caretakers who did a solid job of steadying the ship when we were on the brink of sinking and leaving us in a better position than where we were when they took over. However they are rightly not held up as heroes because of the way they behaved towards the end of their time and we were undoubtedly lucky that Coates MK2 was able to return at exactly the right time.
And as for Cotterill his quitting was without doubt a blessing in disguise. Had he stayed I believe we'd have gone straight back down (his poor record at Championship level since his time here shows that he isn't a particularly good manager) and with how poor our squad was that season Pulis worked a minor miracle keeping us up at the end. There are some people who seem to be trying to degrade the job Pulis did in that very first season in keeping us up by saying how slowly we started, how we needed loans to bail us out etc. Yes he took ages to get his first win and we were dire until after that 6-0 defeat to Forest but it has to be recognised that the squad we had was exceptionally poor and once he got a bit of money to get in the extra bit of quality on loan that we needed he did a fantastic job of shoring up the defence and finding a way of getting results with that group of players. And it was Pulis who chose the right loanees, it's not like they were just randomly dropped on him. He identified our weaknesses and identified the right players who could improve us within the budget we had.
Giving Pulis praise for specific jobs he did doesn't automatically make you a rimmer either. I'm not blind to his flaws, I've not forgotten his politically motivated binary end to the 04/05 season nor the last couple of Premier League seasons where he wasted huge sums of money and delivered some dire football. And not forgetting the clear nepotism with his repeated resigning of Anthony Pulis despite the fact that he was shit and never got anywhere near the first team for any of his clubs. Believe it or not it is possible to be balanced and give praise and criticism when due. What is certainly true though is overall Pulis' time at Stoke over both spells was overwhelmingly positive and despite his flaws he took us to levels that we wouldn't have thought possible 13 years ago and for me history has proven that he clearly was the right man for the job at the right time.
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Post by jonnybravo on Oct 11, 2015 9:43:33 GMT
He said in an interview afew years after he should of stayed at stoke That's either not true or he's a two faced liar then because he told my mate at a recent Bristol City function that his only regret about leaving Stoke was that he didn't do it the day after he got there when he found that the budget was a lot less than he'd been promised. BM Saw his comments in a newspaper interview he did years ago, think he tells people what he wants them to hear he's a two faced tosser
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Post by RAF on Oct 11, 2015 9:58:09 GMT
I do remember Gislason on the appointment of Bossie saying the bloke could take us down! It was that much of a gamble. Fortunately is was a piece of piss to emulate the finish of Pulis the season before just by being a fucking entertaining certifiable dutch clown!
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Post by irod on Oct 11, 2015 10:14:17 GMT
some facts about Tryggvi Guðmundsson - AKA Triggi Pulis
born 1974 first game at 18 and stayed in the game for 21 year played professional football in Iceland, Sweden and Norway between 40% to 50% goal ratio for 21 year
cleary worth not a single game
1992 1997 IBV Iceland, games 88 - 56 goals
1998 2000 Tromsö Norway, games 76 - 36 goals 2001 2003 Stabæk Norway, games 66 - 24 goals 2004 2005 Örgryte Sweden, games 22 - 3 goals 2005 2005 The mighty Stoke, games 0 2005 2009 FH Iceland, games 92 - 51 goals 2010 2012 IBV Iceland, games 52 - 22 goals 2013 2013 Fylkir Iceland, games 5 - 1 goal
1997-2008 Ísland national team games 42 - 12 goals
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 11, 2015 10:17:09 GMT
some facts about Tryggvi Guðmundsson - AKA Triggi Pulis born 1974 first game at 18 and stayed in the game for 21 year played professional football in Iceland, Sweden and Norway between 40% to 50% goal ratio for 21 year cleary worth not a single game 1992 1997 IBV Iceland, games 88 - 56 goals 1998 2000 Tromsö Norway, games 76 - 36 goals 2001 2003 Stabæk Norway, games 66 - 24 goals 2004 2005 Örgryte Sweden, games 22 - 3 goals 2005 2005 The mighty Stoke, games 0 2005 2009 FH Iceland, games 92 - 51 goals 2010 2012 IBV Iceland, games 52 - 22 goals 2013 2013 Fylkir Iceland, games 5 - 1 goal 1997-2008 Ísland national team games 42 - 12 goals Doesn't matter whether he was George Best, Messi and Ronaldo rolled into one. A professional fruit and veg salesman bought him not a professional football manager.
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Post by irod on Oct 11, 2015 10:21:12 GMT
Well, when you get a job you have a lot of players that somebody else signed. Should you not judge them on merit as TP should have done with "Triggi" in this case. It is not as the guy was a complete donkey.
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