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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 6, 2015 21:54:36 GMT
In Ireland's case surely his performance at Spurs warranted another game at least comingoff the bench. It's a total mystery. It warranted a start and it hasn't been until we've got a proper #10 in there that we've even looked anything like (and I still don't think we look much like now but that's a different matter).
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Post by kustokie on Oct 6, 2015 21:57:55 GMT
Cameron's 'stonewall penalty' didn't lead to a penalty either. It hasn't stopped you slating him for it in around 9,472 posts the last few days. Muniesa is dodgy without Shawcross helping him out, thankfully the manager has finally seen it & decided to play a proper defender in his place... And it's brought us two victories out of two. Because that is a massive mistake, Muniesa wasn't making them. A proper defender my arris, he's the shortest 6ft 5" bloke in the world, Muni is better in the air than him. Actually GCam is only 6' 3" but who's counting. I thought his heading was OK against Villa but I need to watch it again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 6, 2015 21:59:47 GMT
Because that is a massive mistake, Muniesa wasn't making them. A proper defender my arris, he's the shortest 6ft 5" bloke in the world, Muni is better in the air than him. Actually GCam is only 6' 3" but who's counting. I thought his heading was OK against Villa but I need to watch it again. I was on about Wollscheid. Cameron's ok in the air as long as he's not on the back foot, it's why he struggled with defending the back post at right back and instances like the WBA goal as he just can't take off when he's back peddling. When he's on the front foot he attacks them well. Wolly just shrinks when he jumps.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 7, 2015 0:57:39 GMT
Actually GCam is only 6' 3" but who's counting. I thought his heading was OK against Villa but I need to watch it again. I was on about Wollscheid. Cameron's ok in the air as long as he's not on the back foot, it's why he struggled with defending the back post at right back and instances like the WBA goal as he just can't take off when he's back peddling. When he's on the front foot he attacks them well. Wolly just shrinks when he jumps. Ah. You're right (again!). Just automatically think you're bashing GCam when you say something negative about one of our defenders. Wolly's OK with the ball at his feet and facing forward. Otherwise he's the proverbial "white men can't jump". I can jump higher and I am 5'8", a bit porky and 60 years old. I can turn quicker too. He did make a nice interception on Saturday - exception that rpoves the rule.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 7, 2015 1:34:59 GMT
I was on about Wollscheid. Cameron's ok in the air as long as he's not on the back foot, it's why he struggled with defending the back post at right back and instances like the WBA goal as he just can't take off when he's back peddling. When he's on the front foot he attacks them well. Wolly just shrinks when he jumps. Ah. You're right (again!). Just automatically think you're bashing GCam when you say something negative about one of our defenders. Wolly's OK with the ball at his feet and facing forward. Otherwise he's the proverbial "white men can't jump". I can jump higher and I am 5'8", a bit porky and 60 years old. I can turn quicker too. He did make a nice interception on Saturday - exception that rpoves the rule. How did 'Good with his Bonce' Gestede get on, on saturday?
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Oct 7, 2015 7:35:12 GMT
Ah. You're right (again!). Just automatically think you're bashing GCam when you say something negative about one of our defenders. Wolly's OK with the ball at his feet and facing forward. Otherwise he's the proverbial "white men can't jump". I can jump higher and I am 5'8", a bit porky and 60 years old. I can turn quicker too. He did make a nice interception on Saturday - exception that rpoves the rule. How did 'Good with his Bonce' Gestede get on, on saturday? precisely.
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Post by apb1 on Oct 7, 2015 7:40:59 GMT
Ireland had 90 minutes v Fulham and was pretty poor. It's worth sacrificing him to get Bojan up and running, and Ireland can't really play elsewhere. Muniesa had a run of games where he made a lot of mistakes. The two centre halves in the last two games have done ok so that's all good too. Both will have other chances, it's a squad game now, we just have the most strength in depth ever. Where are the 'clear out the deadwood' posts of our yesteryear?
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Oct 7, 2015 11:24:41 GMT
I don't get what people see in muniesa. He's like a child chasing the ball round the pitch leaving gaps behind him. That's a tad harsh, BSR, but only a tad. A good defender does not need an excellent defender by the side of him telling him what to do all the time. He knows instinctively himself due to an inate ability to read the game. I still think that, if Muni is to have a long-term future with Stoke, it is in Whelan's role. He can tackle robustly, is decent in possession, has a great work ethic and will not be faced by either pacey or burly strikers, neither of which he is best placed to mark. He can sit in, cover, tidy up and release the playmakers in front of him. We really should try it sometime. Ireland should have surely had more minutes than he has so far - especially after his Spurs sub showing. That Afellay came on for Bojan ahead of him struck me as bizarre. Couldn't agree more. Been saying for ages that Muniesa looks for all the world like a DM to me. He's never a centre half in a million years. Gets out of position chasing the ball way too much which really unsettles the rest of the backline.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Oct 7, 2015 11:36:48 GMT
Muniesa is good in the air, I have no problem with that,it is just that on occasions he loses concentration and "ball watches",however I think he is a far better centre back than Wollscheid.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 7, 2015 11:39:50 GMT
Some people really seem to jizz their pants over Muniesa but I just don't see what the fuss is about. He's neat and tidy on the ball yes but when it comes to the raw basics of defending I think he's pretty poor. Gets caught out of position too much and is too small and lightweight when it comes to defending against big powerful pacy strikers.
Personally I think he'd do a good job at DM but as a Premier League centre back I don't rate him and think he's a liability.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 12:15:43 GMT
A common theme on Muniesa seems to be that he lacks a bit of discipline and "chases" the ball a bit....usually followed by a recommendation that he is moved into defensive midfield.
Isn't discipline just as important in that role too?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 7, 2015 12:18:18 GMT
A common theme on Muniesa seems to be that he lacks a bit of discipline and "chases" the ball a bit....usually followed by a recommendation that he is moved into defensive midfield. Isn't discipline just as important in that role too? Yep.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Oct 7, 2015 12:20:58 GMT
A common theme on Muniesa seems to be that he lacks a bit of discipline and "chases" the ball a bit....usually followed by a recommendation that he is moved into defensive midfield. Isn't discipline just as important in that role too? Leaving your post as a dm isn't as bad as doing it at cb.
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Post by vahl on Oct 7, 2015 12:23:04 GMT
Some people really seem to jizz their pants over Muniesa but I just don't see what the fuss is about. He's neat and tidy on the ball yes but when it comes to the raw basics of defending I think he's pretty poor. Gets caught out of position too much and is too small and lightweight when it comes to defending against big powerful pacy strikers. Personally I think he'd do a good job at DM but as a Premier League centre back I don't rate him and think he's a liability. Agreed - word for word. He switches off too many times to be a consistent CB. He can do a job there and evidently has some really good football skills, which we see every time he plays but, his defending is really really 'meh'. I touted him as a DM when I first saw him play. He looks like he's tailor made for the role to me.
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Post by foster on Oct 7, 2015 12:31:04 GMT
Whatever happens I hope we keep Muni happy because he's an excellent pro, does a lot of good for the club on social media and (I expect) was instrumental in us managing to sign our ex-Barca players. Possibly also future ones.
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Post by slother on Oct 7, 2015 12:52:02 GMT
Ireland doesn't seem to be one of those types to kick up a fuss if he's not playing. It can be a real positive actually, to have a squad player who is by no means a player of limited ability.
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Post by pez75 on Oct 7, 2015 12:54:29 GMT
Ireland would have come on sat if we were chasing a goal. As we were 1 up I believe Hughes chose Affelay as he keeps hold of the ball. For all of Ireland's good points, he is not really one to bring on when you want to take the pressure off the back four/midfield.
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