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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 14, 2015 12:13:08 GMT
That's the rational approach. Unfortunately many Stoke fans aren't rational and we're only ever two bad results away from a crisis as we saw earlier this season. Pulis, IMO, was wrong as I said. But I also think he was kind of wrong for the right reason. He's naturally cautious and has a "hold what we have approach. It suited us and got results for a while but ultimately he failed to evolve. I have no problem acknowledging all that. I do have a problem with the unbridled hatred that some people have for him. I just don't get it. Yeah, he couldn't handle expectation. He was a victim of his own success in some ways and when he tried to dampen it there was no way back. I'd agree with that 100%.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 14, 2015 13:13:13 GMT
1) there is absolutely no excuse for the approach he took in Valencia. He lost the supporters and the dressing room that week and quite possibly his untouchable status with Peter Coates. It was the beginning of the end. 2) has it been decided that it is OK for us to laugh at west brazil yet or is it still disrespectful to our previous manager if we do so? 1) in your opinion. 2) yes, of course. But you knew that. It is, however, not ok to use opinions of WBA fans to support your own arguments. Obviously.....that's just perverse. And in the opinion of pretty much everyone of the 7000+ supporters that made the journey that night.
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Post by prestonstokie on Oct 14, 2015 14:20:52 GMT
Have just finished reading Jon Henderson's biography of Sir Stan, and the period of Bob McGrory's management of our club 1935-1947 was of particular interest. Apparently McGrory didn't like "Fancy Dans"' was said to want the limelight himself and was jealous of players like Stan and Neil Franklin. There is a "wonderful" quote in the book.
"Having come under the influence of Walter Winterbottom and his modern ways, the stylish Franklin took to passing the ball out of defence. This infuriated McGrory, who regarded Winterbottom as some southern degenerate. The Scot's canon of how to play football observed only one way of clearing your lines and putting your goal beyond danger: a mighty hoof downfield - and never mind where the ball might end up."
See, we have a history of this !!!
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Post by salopstick on Oct 14, 2015 14:35:13 GMT
I shouldn't get involved but this made me hoot. " JP isnt going to sack Pulis, but hopefully Pulis sees we arent the right club for him.
If he left now, has a couple of months break, he could get a job at Xmas, save the club and go again, if he went to a certain club he could have a few years to build them. (Even Villa, with the attacking players they have he would have no choice but to try and win a game)
I am disappointed because i wanted to be won over by Pulis, i like him as a bloke, think he is the sort you would go for a beer with and he is no nonsense, however as a manager of our club i want him gone.
My dad has been going the Albion over 70 years, he is the most positive fan in the world, put a Barca, Real and Bayern dream team against us and he would fancy us to win, but i have noticed this season he has been losing enthusiasm and yesterday he just said 'enough is enough, whats the point in watching this and his enthusiasm for the Albion is going rapidly.' 70 years of going, things he has seen, good and bad, i never remember him being this way during the Gould, Smith, Buckley days, etc (thats only my lifetime) and that says it all that he has had enough.
On the flipside to that, i was going to buy a mate of mines 5 year old son a ticket for the Leicester game for his birthday, get a new fan along and i have decided now not to bother and give him the money instead because i genuinely feel he would be put off for life.
Lets not pretend things were great under Mel and Irvine, they wasnt but i would chop my right b*****k now for even a bit of the enthusiasm i had then, Pulis has sucked the life out of my enjoyment for the Albion, i realised yesterday its just going to be the same, he has a default which is setup for a 0-0. I expect we grind out a 1-0 against Sunderland or another game round then and keeps us afloat but there has to be more to life than suffering this s**t every week.
I said it before, its all relative, back in the 80's and 90's we had crap players, so we expected crap, under Megson we had a limited group of players who he made a unit, again didnt expect much, they gave their all and that was enough but ultimately they werent good enough. Nowadays we have quality players who arent going to win the league but can play a bit and they are being coached to do the absolute minimum, ruin the game and try and nick a point and i do expect more.
There is not one attacking player who has improved under Pulis, Berahino probably works harder for the team but he is played out wide, not out wide like he does for England under 21's, but out wide where is main job is to defend. That says it all that not one attacking player has gone better!
We have 3 x strikers in Rondon, Lambert and Anichebe who are all the same, two who he brought despite having Anichebe at the club, proper wingers who dont play (Gnabry and Mcmanaman) and attacking players who dont make the bench (Sess) if you are over 6ft and work ard you have a chance with Pulis, Chester fails on that front because he is under 6ft.
I understand the big money comes in next year, but its not a one off, its every year so if Pulis is in charge to ensure we stay in the league however it happens, we may as well give him a new 5 year contract til whenever a new TV deal comes in, if that is the case, i really wont be attending and i think if current performances are anything to go by, thousands will be the same.
I try and see the best in everything but i just want Pulis to go and ASAP."This thread could run for years and this still would be the best post on it
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Oct 14, 2015 19:07:23 GMT
Have just finished reading Jon Henderson's biography of Sir Stan, and the period of Bob McGrory's management of our club 1935-1947 was of particular interest. Apparently McGrory didn't like "Fancy Dans"' was said to want the limelight himself and was jealous of players like Stan and Neil Franklin. There is a "wonderful" quote in the book. "Having come under the influence of Walter Winterbottom and his modern ways, the stylish Franklin took to passing the ball out of defence. This infuriated McGrory, who regarded Winterbottom as some southern degenerate. The Scot's canon of how to play football observed only one way of clearing your lines and putting your goal beyond danger: a mighty hoof downfield - and never mind where the ball might end up." See, we have a history of this !!! Despite claims to the contrary McGrory is easily the second greatest manager in our history. I believe he is owed a match where we take along flags bearing witness to our forever grateful feelings and a few tears of emotion to his memory would not go amiss! We can then think about our third greatest manager: Thomas Mather who laid the foundation for the team that would have dominated English football if it hadn't been for that bastard Hitler!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 14, 2015 19:29:01 GMT
Have just finished reading Jon Henderson's biography of Sir Stan, and the period of Bob McGrory's management of our club 1935-1947 was of particular interest. Apparently McGrory didn't like "Fancy Dans"' was said to want the limelight himself and was jealous of players like Stan and Neil Franklin. There is a "wonderful" quote in the book. "Having come under the influence of Walter Winterbottom and his modern ways, the stylish Franklin took to passing the ball out of defence. This infuriated McGrory, who regarded Winterbottom as some southern degenerate. The Scot's canon of how to play football observed only one way of clearing your lines and putting your goal beyond danger: a mighty hoof downfield - and never mind where the ball might end up." See, we have a history of this !!! Despite claims to the contrary McGrory is easily the second greatest manager in our history. I believe he is owed a match where we take along flags bearing witness to our forever grateful feelings and a few tears of emotion to his memory would not go amiss! We can then think about our third greatest manager: Thomas Mather who laid the foundation for the team that would have dominated English football if it hadn't been for that bastard Hitler! Nah, McGrory took the piss out of the fans with his antics of wearing a big leek in his buttonhole and doing that thing where you surreptitiously put two fingers on the side of your face towards the Boothen End when he came back with Merthyr Tydfil in 1953. As for that splitter Mather, wasn't it he who when we were going to sign Ted Drake in 1935 was heard to say to him in the shadow of the Stoke End 'this is not the club for you Ted'?
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 14, 2015 19:44:40 GMT
Have just finished reading Jon Henderson's biography of Sir Stan, and the period of Bob McGrory's management of our club 1935-1947 was of particular interest. Apparently McGrory didn't like "Fancy Dans"' was said to want the limelight himself and was jealous of players like Stan and Neil Franklin. There is a "wonderful" quote in the book. "Having come under the influence of Walter Winterbottom and his modern ways, the stylish Franklin took to passing the ball out of defence. This infuriated McGrory, who regarded Winterbottom as some southern degenerate. The Scot's canon of how to play football observed only one way of clearing your lines and putting your goal beyond danger: a mighty hoof downfield - and never mind where the ball might end up." See, we have a history of this !!! Despite claims to the contrary McGrory is easily the second greatest manager in our history. I believe he is owed a match where we take along flags bearing witness to our forever grateful feelings and a few tears of emotion to his memory would not go amiss! We can then think about our third greatest manager: Thomas Mather who laid the foundation for the team that would have dominated English football if it hadn't been for that bastard Hitler! I wish you'd come down off the fence and tell us what you really think of Pulis. I admire the fact that you take your role as moderator so seriously that you maintain impartiality but I'd love to know if you're a fan or not.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 14, 2015 19:56:12 GMT
Despite claims to the contrary McGrory is easily the second greatest manager in our history. I believe he is owed a match where we take along flags bearing witness to our forever grateful feelings and a few tears of emotion to his memory would not go amiss! We can then think about our third greatest manager: Thomas Mather who laid the foundation for the team that would have dominated English football if it hadn't been for that bastard Hitler! I wish you'd come down off the fence and tell us what you really think of Pulis. I admire the fact that you take your role as moderator so seriously that you maintain impartiality but I'd love to know if you're a fan or not. Is there a compelling reason for moderators not being allowed an opinion that I'm somehow missing?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Oct 15, 2015 22:37:37 GMT
Despite claims to the contrary McGrory is easily the second greatest manager in our history. I believe he is owed a match where we take along flags bearing witness to our forever grateful feelings and a few tears of emotion to his memory would not go amiss! We can then think about our third greatest manager: Thomas Mather who laid the foundation for the team that would have dominated English football if it hadn't been for that bastard Hitler! I wish you'd come down off the fence and tell us what you really think of Pulis. I admire the fact that you take your role as moderator so seriously that you maintain impartiality but I'd love to know if you're a fan or not. I'm not impartial! I am a Stoke supporter with an opinion. I help run a message board set up to let Stoke supporters express an opinion. Is that okay? Given the number of posts you have made on this thread you certainly have an opinion on one subject at least!! Anyway what have I said to upset you? Do you know nothing of the clubs history? Are you a Mather hater?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Oct 15, 2015 22:53:22 GMT
Despite claims to the contrary McGrory is easily the second greatest manager in our history. I believe he is owed a match where we take along flags bearing witness to our forever grateful feelings and a few tears of emotion to his memory would not go amiss! We can then think about our third greatest manager: Thomas Mather who laid the foundation for the team that would have dominated English football if it hadn't been for that bastard Hitler! Nah, McGrory took the piss out of the fans with his antics of wearing a big leek in his buttonhole and doing that thing where you surreptitiously put two fingers on the side of your face towards the Boothen End when he came back with Merthyr Tydfil in 1953. As for that splitter Mather, wasn't it he who when we were going to sign Ted Drake in 1935 was heard to say to him in the shadow of the Stoke End 'this is not the club for you Ted'? I'm shocked by your blasphemy and ungrateful attitude towards our second and third greatest managers! I bet your Dad was lapping it up when he went on the omnibus to Bramall Lane to watch us pluckily throw the title away!
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 16, 2015 10:20:16 GMT
I wish you'd come down off the fence and tell us what you really think of Pulis. I admire the fact that you take your role as moderator so seriously that you maintain impartiality but I'd love to know if you're a fan or not. I'm not impartial! I am a Stoke supporter with an opinion. I help run a message board set up to let Stoke supporters express an opinion. Is that okay? Given the number of posts you have made on this thread you certainly have an opinion on one subject at least!! Anyway what have I said to upset you? Do you know nothing of the clubs history? Are you a Mather hater? Apologies. I was being sarcastic. I'm aware of your sentiments regarding Pulis. And my knowledge of Stoke City pre 1970s is admittedly limited. I'm much happier, however, in the knowledge that moderators are superfans who know everything about Stoke City.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2015 11:48:55 GMT
There was a weird West Brom fact on the radio earlier. Out of there last 15 home games they've kept 8 clean sheets (so far, so Tone) but in the other 7 they've conceded 3 goals or more.
Not sure what it tells us but I found it interesting for about 12 seconds.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 14:49:43 GMT
There was a weird West Brom fact on the radio earlier. Out of there last 15 home games they've kept 8 clean sheets (so far, so Tone) but in the other 7 they've conceded 3 goals or more. Not sure what it tells us but I found it interesting for about 12 seconds. It tells us that regardless of all the history rewriting,our defence is much more solid than it ever was in this league under Pulis, and that clean sheets aren't as important as people like to believe. Out of interest,what was their goals for column like in those clean sheet fixtures?
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Oct 17, 2015 7:13:18 GMT
There was a weird West Brom fact on the radio earlier. Out of there last 15 home games they've kept 8 clean sheets (so far, so Tone) but in the other 7 they've conceded 3 goals or more. Not sure what it tells us but I found it interesting for about 12 seconds. Probably that they're as consistently inconsistent defensively as literally every other team in the league. I think it's something we don't really praise on here. We might have our shite moments but it's rare that we take a dicking or even conceed 3 or more goals in a game. It'd be interesting to see where we'd place if the league was measured on defeats by 3 or more goals over the past X amount of years. I'd reckon we'd be up there.
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Post by Davef on Oct 17, 2015 7:26:30 GMT
There was a weird West Brom fact on the radio earlier. Out of there last 15 home games they've kept 8 clean sheets (so far, so Tone) but in the other 7 they've conceded 3 goals or more. Not sure what it tells us but I found it interesting for about 12 seconds. It tells us that regardless of all the history rewriting,our defence is much more solid than it ever was in this league under Pulis, and that clean sheets aren't as important as people like to believe. Out of interest,what was their goals for column like in those clean sheet fixtures? In the League they scored 8. Altogether they scored 19 courtesy of wins against Gateshead (7-0) and West Ham (4-0) in the FA Cup.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 7:34:36 GMT
It tells us that regardless of all the history rewriting,our defence is much more solid than it ever was in this league under Pulis, and that clean sheets aren't as important as people like to believe. Out of interest,what was their goals for column like in those clean sheet fixtures? In the League they scored 8. Altogether they scored 19 courtesy of wins against Gateshead (7-0) and West Ham (4-0) in the FA Cup. Just as I'd imagined
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Post by homer32 on Oct 17, 2015 10:59:04 GMT
TP v Big Sam today not a game for the purists!!. You can get 6/1 on Albion to win 1-0 that must be worth a punt.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 17, 2015 11:12:22 GMT
TP v Big Sam today not a game for the purists!!. You can get 6/1 on Albion to win 1-0 that must be worth a punt. Given how leaky the two defences are there could easily be a few goals.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 17, 2015 11:20:30 GMT
TP v Big Sam today not a game for the purists!!. You can get 6/1 on Albion to win 1-0 that must be worth a punt. Given how leaky the two defences are there could easily be a few goals. 2-0 to the Geordies. And this thread to hit 20 pages by the end of today.
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Post by britvic72 on Oct 17, 2015 11:20:38 GMT
There was a weird West Brom fact on the radio earlier. Out of there last 15 home games they've kept 8 clean sheets (so far, so Tone) but in the other 7 they've conceded 3 goals or more. Not sure what it tells us but I found it interesting for about 12 seconds. It tells us when they have to open up after going behind they are shaky. On another day we could have won our home game with 9 men. Arnie needed just a bit more time on the pitch and maybe just maybe? I know they were away but you could see the cracks as they tried to get more than a 0-1 from the game.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 17, 2015 12:08:26 GMT
Given how leaky the two defences are there could easily be a few goals. 2-0 to the Geordies. And this thread to hit 20 pages by the end of today. I'm giving upon the prediction business.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 14:37:45 GMT
Pulis looking a right tit again .....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 14:52:50 GMT
Pulis will be happy as a pig in shit right now and even happier at full time if this game stays the same.
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Post by Paddypotter on Oct 17, 2015 14:57:14 GMT
I swear I can hear him shouting ggooaarrrnnn Jon. The WBA fans aren't happy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 14:57:31 GMT
WBA. 4 shots. 0 on target. Sunderland 6. 1 on target.
#football
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 15:02:26 GMT
I don't think much of Sunderland's strip. I've seen quieter luminous fishing floats.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 17, 2015 15:04:01 GMT
Yeah, he couldn't handle expectation. He was a victim of his own success in some ways and when he tried to dampen it there was no way back. I'd agree with that 100%. I don't know how a football manager copes with supporters wanting to see their team play a bit of ambitious football, to take the game to the opposition home and away and to aim marginally higher than 17th and 40 points each season. The pressure must have been unbearable!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 15:13:35 GMT
1 v 0 up. shut up shop time GD
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Post by britvic72 on Oct 17, 2015 15:31:45 GMT
TP v Big Sam today not a game for the purists!!. You can get 6/1 on Albion to win 1-0 that must be worth a punt. 15 nail biting minutes left
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 15:40:42 GMT
Still only 3 shots on target from both sides. 1 for West Brom and 2 for Sunderland.
This is supposed to be top level football is it not? 35/40 quid a ticket?
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