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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2015 19:56:43 GMT
It ws such a blatant penalty that MOTD didnt even mention it, there was nothing on the sky match commentry about it and as of yet i havnt herd sherwood bleating about it. When i saw it on match of the day i saw two players legs getting tangled and nothing more. It wasnt a blatant push, pull, trip etc. Would have been harsh in my eyes had it been given. They showed it....they didn't make a meal of the Arnie offside either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2015 19:57:39 GMT
He can't pass for shit, so no it doesn't. He because Mark Hughes and Jurgen Klinsmann don't know anything about football... Pure fantasy there Bayern. You're very special at being wrong. Butland and Geoff prove that and with time Wollschied might be the third time in one year for the trifecta. I've seen nothing but people slating Klinsmann from the Americans I follow on Twatter!
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 4, 2015 19:58:40 GMT
I'm not arsey at all, I just don't appreciate being spoken down to, condescend and patronised. And I don't appreciate people making arguments based on things that I haven't written! You are a sensitive soul if you think that was an argument. It's a discussion on your view after you didn't watch the game! And when you don't see it for your own eyes, you'll always be lead by a commentator and their interpretation of what's going on (whilst mostly based on what's happening before you try and pick holes in another post)
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 4, 2015 19:59:07 GMT
You haven't watched the game but are talking as if you know what the hell you're talking about lol Wow. Gnite Bayern... You're special... No I haven't. I've mentioned one incident. I've not even spoke about his general performance, something you picked up on earlier, for the reason I didn't see it. I have seen him making an horrific error that he got away with though. One incident over a full 90... Classic Bayern. Mate, your arrogance and ego and then penchant to talk as if you've seen the match is truly unique... Watch that 90 and only you'd have the gall to come on here and say Geoff wasn't superb and didn't save us time after time at the back... Like I know you would. With that there is no point in reading anything you post on the matter.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 4, 2015 20:00:11 GMT
And I don't appreciate people making arguments based on things that I haven't written! You are a sensitive soul if you think that was an argument. It's a discussion on your view after you didn't watch the game! And when you don't see it for your own eyes, you'll always be lead by a commentator and their interpretation of what's going on (whilst mostly based on what's happening before you try and pick holes in another post) That's Classic Bayern. It's almost as predictable as Benji but even benji knows when he's been backed into a corner and proven wrong. Alas benji doesn't hate a single player with such disdain.
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Post by lee1982 on Oct 4, 2015 20:00:35 GMT
It ws such a blatant penalty that MOTD didnt even mention it, there was nothing on the sky match commentry about it and as of yet i havnt herd sherwood bleating about it. When i saw it on match of the day i saw two players legs getting tangled and nothing more. It wasnt a blatant push, pull, trip etc. Would have been harsh in my eyes had it been given. They showed it....they didn't make a meal of the Arnie offside either. Arnies offside didnt effect the outcome of the game though. Surley if this penalty was as blatant as you see it then all the reports would suggest how Villa were hard done by?
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 4, 2015 20:02:13 GMT
They showed it....they didn't make a meal of the Arnie offside either. Arnies offside didnt effect the outcome of the game though. Surley if this penalty was as blatant as you see it then all the reports would suggest how Villa were hard done by? But on the other hand, if they had given the villa penalty the arnie offside would have effected the outcome of the game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2015 20:04:17 GMT
And I don't appreciate people making arguments based on things that I haven't written! You are a sensitive soul if you think that was an argument. It's a discussion on your view after you didn't watch the game! And when you don't see it for your own eyes, you'll always be lead by a commentator and their interpretation of what's going on (whilst mostly based on what's happening before you try and pick holes in another post) Discussion/arguing/debate. I haven't claimed to and I haven't commented on anything but what I've seen. I judged it how I saw it, Adam being reluctant to go across and close him down/foul him, Wolly being ran past like he wasn't there and Geoff going in really daftly. It was a comedy of errors, one which we luckily got away with.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2015 20:05:54 GMT
They showed it....they didn't make a meal of the Arnie offside either. Arnies offside didnt effect the outcome of the game though. Surley if this penalty was as blatant as you see it then all the reports would suggest how Villa were hard done by? I think it was the correct call too! Well MOTD did no analysis and I haven't read the reports so can't comment on that! It was a blatant peno though, even people argui....discussing sorry in favour of Geoff say it was. It was clumsy at best.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 4, 2015 20:06:29 GMT
You are a sensitive soul if you think that was an argument. It's a discussion on your view after you didn't watch the game! And when you don't see it for your own eyes, you'll always be lead by a commentator and their interpretation of what's going on (whilst mostly based on what's happening before you try and pick holes in another post) Discussion/arguing/debate. I haven't claimed to and I haven't commented on anything but what I've seen. I judged it how I saw it, Adam being reluctant to go across and close him down/foul him, Wolly being ran past like he wasn't there and Geoff going in really daftly. It was a comedy of errors, one which we luckily got away with. and Whelan's missed aerial in midfield to which the whole comedy began as Adam was out of postion. Don't forget that, but seeing it doesn't fit your agenda and the mere fact you didn't watch the match... makes perfect sense.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2015 20:08:00 GMT
No I haven't. I've mentioned one incident. I've not even spoke about his general performance, something you picked up on earlier, for the reason I didn't see it. I have seen him making an horrific error that he got away with though. One incident over a full 90... Classic Bayern. Mate, your arrogance and ego and then penchant to talk as if you've seen the match is truly unique... Watch that 90 and only you'd have the gall to come on here and say Geoff wasn't superb and didn't save us time after time at the back... Like I know you would. With that there is no point in reading anything you post on the matter. One incident that was a massive mistake and should have cost us points. Which has been point all along! He could play like Beckenbauer all game but if he made one mistake that lead to a goal I wouldn't give him or any other defender more than 5/10!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2015 20:09:41 GMT
Discussion/arguing/debate. I haven't claimed to and I haven't commented on anything but what I've seen. I judged it how I saw it, Adam being reluctant to go across and close him down/foul him, Wolly being ran past like he wasn't there and Geoff going in really daftly. It was a comedy of errors, one which we luckily got away with. and Whelan's missed aerial in midfield to which the whole comedy began as Adam was out of postion. Don't forget that, but seeing it doesn't fit your agenda and the mere fact you didn't watch the match... makes perfect sense. I did miss that if I'm being honest but it isn't clever. I did well knowing the other bit didn't I considering.....
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 4, 2015 20:12:09 GMT
One incident over a full 90... Classic Bayern. Mate, your arrogance and ego and then penchant to talk as if you've seen the match is truly unique... Watch that 90 and only you'd have the gall to come on here and say Geoff wasn't superb and didn't save us time after time at the back... Like I know you would. With that there is no point in reading anything you post on the matter. One incident that was a massive mistake and should have cost us points. Which has been point all along! He could play like Beckenbauer all game but if he made one mistake that lead to a goal I wouldn't give him or any other defender more than 5/10! Every midfield and defensive stoke player had a massive mistake in that phase which could of lead to a goal yet you're harping on about one player who actually saved the situation in the end and neglecting the actual fact Glenn Whelan's aerial miss was the lynchpin for the phase. Like I said, you know not what you're talking about... Like usual. Lay blame at the back but the problem lies within the midfield for stoke and not winning it, week after week.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 4, 2015 20:12:19 GMT
Will you give it a rest? Christ. No, not when people are glossing over pretty big things for God knows what reason. "he should have given away a peno but it's fine" I just don't get the logic. I have this image of you jumping out of your armchair as you watch the stream shouting 'penalty' as Cameron made the challenge. Then being really pissed off when it wasn't given?
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 4, 2015 20:15:02 GMT
No, not when people are glossing over pretty big things for God knows what reason. "he should have given away a peno but it's fine" I just don't get the logic. I have this image of you jumping out of your armchair as you watch the stream shouting 'penalty' as Cameron made the challenge. Then being really pissed off when it wasn't given? I do too as he's surrounded by kits and posters he wanted signed by the lad. I also think his second account is iloveglennwhelan with his missing of that little gem in midfield that started the phase on our defence.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2015 20:15:26 GMT
One incident that was a massive mistake and should have cost us points. Which has been point all along! He could play like Beckenbauer all game but if he made one mistake that lead to a goal I wouldn't give him or any other defender more than 5/10! Every midfield and defensive stoke player had a massive mistake in that phase which could of lead to a goal yet you're harping on about one player who actually saved the situation in the end and neglecting the actual fact Glenn Whelan's aerial miss was the lynchpin for the phase. Like I said, you know not what you're talking about... Like usual. Lay blame at the back but the problem lies within the midfield for stoke and not winning it, week after week. They did and I've mentioned it! Losing headers on the half way line isn't a massive mistake though is it? It's shit but it happens, my actual main gripe is with Adam, I don't get why he doesn't come across and just holds his line of running, it makes no sense.
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 4, 2015 20:16:06 GMT
You are a sensitive soul if you think that was an argument. It's a discussion on your view after you didn't watch the game! And when you don't see it for your own eyes, you'll always be lead by a commentator and their interpretation of what's going on (whilst mostly based on what's happening before you try and pick holes in another post) Discussion/arguing/debate. I haven't claimed to and I haven't commented on anything but what I've seen. I judged it how I saw it, Adam being reluctant to go across and close him down/foul him, Wolly being ran past like he wasn't there and Geoff going in really daftly. It was a comedy of errors, one which we luckily got away with. Believe it or not, I don't actually disagree with you. I just think you are abit over the top with your opinions.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2015 20:16:07 GMT
No, not when people are glossing over pretty big things for God knows what reason. "he should have given away a peno but it's fine" I just don't get the logic. I have this image of you jumping out of your armchair as you watch the stream shouting 'penalty' as Cameron made the challenge. Then being really pissed off when it wasn't given? I didn't watch the game (as is being discussed) so you have a very good imagination!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2015 20:16:54 GMT
Discussion/arguing/debate. I haven't claimed to and I haven't commented on anything but what I've seen. I judged it how I saw it, Adam being reluctant to go across and close him down/foul him, Wolly being ran past like he wasn't there and Geoff going in really daftly. It was a comedy of errors, one which we luckily got away with. Believe it or not, I don't actually disagree with you. I just think you are abit over the top with your opinions. I am, I always will be. Especially if you're an error prone defender.
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Post by lee1982 on Oct 4, 2015 20:17:19 GMT
Arnies offside didnt effect the outcome of the game though. Surley if this penalty was as blatant as you see it then all the reports would suggest how Villa were hard done by? But on the other hand, if they had given the villa penalty the arnie offside would have effected the outcome of the game. Only if this phantom penalty had been scored. Ive never before seen a tangle of legs be described as a blatant penalty, the only place i have seen the word blatant used is on this messageboard, no match reports, or even the opposing manager, whom given the state of his current side would have every right to feel agrieved. Had it been given im sure there would be more people on here bemoaning the fact than there would holding up there hands and accepting it. Im not interested in the ongoing bitching about Cameron, but in no way was the incident in question anything other than a coming together.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 4, 2015 20:17:41 GMT
Every midfield and defensive stoke player had a massive mistake in that phase which could of lead to a goal yet you're harping on about one player who actually saved the situation in the end and neglecting the actual fact Glenn Whelan's aerial miss was the lynchpin for the phase. Like I said, you know not what you're talking about... Like usual. Lay blame at the back but the problem lies within the midfield for stoke and not winning it, week after week. They did and I've mentioned it! Losing headers on the half way line isn't a massive mistake though is it? It's shit but it happens, my actual main gripe is with Adam, I don't get why he doesn't come across and just holds his line of running, it makes no sense. Shit does happen and it was a massive mistake because he was then out of position and they had a counter behind the play but tbh Geoff would of won it, but he can't be in midfield... Because he's too busy saving our ass at the back currently because of injuries and form. See shit happens.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2015 20:20:05 GMT
They did and I've mentioned it! Losing headers on the half way line isn't a massive mistake though is it? It's shit but it happens, my actual main gripe is with Adam, I don't get why he doesn't come across and just holds his line of running, it makes no sense. Shit does happen and it was a massive mistake because he was then out of position and they had a counter behind the play but tbh Geoff would of won it, but he can't be in midfield... Because he's too busy saving our ass at the back currently because of injuries and form. See shit happens. He was out of position and it was a mistake but it's one that 3 players can cover and the first (Adam) should deal with it for me but he just doesn't change direction for some strange reason. Cameron may have won it but I suspect not (he'd have been where Adam was) or floating around somewhere aimlessly like he does!
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 4, 2015 20:21:22 GMT
I have this image of you jumping out of your armchair as you watch the stream shouting 'penalty' as Cameron made the challenge. Then being really pissed off when it wasn't given? I didn't watch the game (as is being discussed) so you have a very good imagination! I dip in and out of the site so forgive me if I'm not up to speed on all your ramblings.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2015 20:24:21 GMT
I didn't watch the game (as is being discussed) so you have a very good imagination! I dip in and out of the site so forgive me if I'm not up to speed on all your ramblings. You are not forgiven, Kooler 5 days.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 4, 2015 20:29:03 GMT
I have this image of you jumping out of your armchair as you watch the stream shouting 'penalty' as Cameron made the challenge. Then being really pissed off when it wasn't given? I didn't watch the game (as is being discussed) so you have a very good imagination! I like to think I have a very good imagination though, I thought Kenwynne was the next Drogba.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2015 20:30:30 GMT
I didn't watch the game (as is being discussed) so you have a very good imagination! I like to think I have a very good imagination though, I thought Kenwynne was the next Drogba. Now there is a player I hate.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 4, 2015 20:40:13 GMT
It was a penalty, but blatant... Not really.
Cameron was superb from what I've seen and yet he literally cannot win. I'd still move him into midfield but right now, until Ryan comes back he's a sure fire for centre back.
If this was muni nobody would even mention the pen incident. Typical logic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2015 20:41:29 GMT
It was a penalty, but blatant... Not really. Cameron was superb from what I've seen and yet he literally cannot win. I'd still move him into midfield but right now, until Ryan comes back he's a sure fire for centre back. If this was muni nobody would even mention the pen incident. Typical logic. Of course they would. It involved Adam and Wolly fucking up too.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Oct 5, 2015 2:01:25 GMT
If he'd come to the league sooner I think he'd have a been a great player but his lack of experience shows when (like Bayern says) he repeatedly makes daft mistakes.
Shawcross and Muniesa are still our best defensive two.
That Anti-american line is a load of shite as well.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 5, 2015 2:48:08 GMT
Ah, what would Sundee nights be like without Bayern slagging off GCam and everyone piling on in his defense. Bayern, we get it. You don't like him and every week you look for something to pick on. You're in a minority of one. Everyone else thinks Geoff is ace, good passer, good defender (good crosser (don't forget Newcastle), good header, good tackler etc, etc. And best available CB until Shawcross is fit. You are correct about one thing - we have a long way to go. Three wins and a draw against below average teams doesn't mean we've turned corner, but it is reason for optimism.
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