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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 3, 2015 10:19:51 GMT
He's that woodbine fella of oatcake fame :-) Exactly, he could've written that. From yesterday's Wenger press conference. Question: Why is it that after every bad result, you have pundits coming out calling you soft and weak? “Because they lack a bit of creativity in their questions. They don’t analyse well. Honestly, not one came out and analysed well the game. One pundit says something on TV and all behind that repeat the same thing. It is quite boring. "Nobody came out with numbers where the game was won or lost. It’s quite depressing to read that and hear that. But all just come to the same conclusion and haven’t watched well what’s gone on on the pitch. We lost the game because we didn’t defend well. Yes, the keeper made a mistake but we could still have won the game because of that.” Do you agree with Wenger, Rob?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 3, 2015 10:36:47 GMT
Exactly, he could've written that. From yesterday's Wenger press conference. Question: Why is it that after every bad result, you have pundits coming out calling you soft and weak? “Because they lack a bit of creativity in their questions. They don’t analyse well. Honestly, not one came out and analysed well the game. One pundit says something on TV and all behind that repeat the same thing. It is quite boring. "Nobody came out with numbers where the game was won or lost. It’s quite depressing to read that and hear that. But all just come to the same conclusion and haven’t watched well what’s gone on on the pitch. We lost the game because we didn’t defend well. Yes, the keeper made a mistake but we could still have won the game because of that.” Do you agree with Wenger, Rob? No. It's an accusation that can be absolutely fairly and squarely aimed at him. Higgy uses it for everyone though. Do you not see the flaws in Higgy's argument Sheiky? All that stuff about English players, are you saying he's cock on there, despite his own examples undermining him? Nobody's saying leaders aren't important in football but Higgy's analysis of football starts and ends there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 3, 2015 10:42:06 GMT
It's amazing how Chelsea won the league and Arsenal won the FA Cup. How do they it with no leaders?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 3, 2015 11:36:07 GMT
From yesterday's Wenger press conference. Question: Why is it that after every bad result, you have pundits coming out calling you soft and weak? “Because they lack a bit of creativity in their questions. They don’t analyse well. Honestly, not one came out and analysed well the game. One pundit says something on TV and all behind that repeat the same thing. It is quite boring. "Nobody came out with numbers where the game was won or lost. It’s quite depressing to read that and hear that. But all just come to the same conclusion and haven’t watched well what’s gone on on the pitch. We lost the game because we didn’t defend well. Yes, the keeper made a mistake but we could still have won the game because of that.” Do you agree with Wenger, Rob? No. It's an accusation that can be absolutely fairly and squarely aimed at him. Higgy uses it for everyone though. Do you not see the flaws in Higgy's argument Sheiky? All that stuff about English players, are you saying he's cock on there, despite his own examples undermining him? Nobody's saying leaders aren't important in football but Higgy's analysis of football starts and ends there. . I just think you're getting a bit hung up on him, Rob. I've just watched a few minutes of Football Focus, a few minutes of the Jeff Stelling show, the football preview show on At The Races and some five live and 'leaders' and lack of them were mentioned on all of them. Genuinely. It may be fortunate in Higgy's case that he's stumbled on the zeitgeist but I think the fact that there is currently a dearth of leaders in the English game (of any nationality) is obvious.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 3, 2015 11:39:32 GMT
No. It's an accusation that can be absolutely fairly and squarely aimed at him. Higgy uses it for everyone though. Do you not see the flaws in Higgy's argument Sheiky? All that stuff about English players, are you saying he's cock on there, despite his own examples undermining him? Nobody's saying leaders aren't important in football but Higgy's analysis of football starts and ends there. . I just think you're getting a bit hung up on him, Rob. I've just watched a few minutes of Football Focus, a few minutes of the Jeff Stelling show, the football preview show on At The Races and some five live and 'leaders' and lack of them were mentioned on all of them. Genuinely. It may be fortunate in Higgy's case that he's stumbled on the zeitgeist but I think the fact that there is currently a dearth of leaders in the English game (of any nationality) is obvious. I just don't buy it mate. Are we saying Chelsea, who walked the league last season, only have one leader in Terry?Are we saying players like Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin and even Rooney to an extent aren't leaders? Is it really that simplistic? And again, with Higgy, he trots it out for everyone and always has done. It's a constant stream of 'what would Tone do'?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 11:47:27 GMT
There are different types of leaders though. We all know the types that Higginbotham is referring to.
The ones that whale their tits off, headbutt the dressing room door on the way out, kick strikers 10 foot in the air and come off the pitch splattered with blood whilst kissing their guns.
Yeah, they're gone alright.
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Post by potterblade on Oct 3, 2015 12:08:52 GMT
You dont dispute the importance of a strong dressing room and leaders on the pitch though surely Chief? This is all he seems to be getting from that summary. No mate nobody ever would but the implication those characteristics are exclusive to British players is silly. Still something to be said for local heroes and what they could bring to a team. We probably flushed the last of his type down the toilet last season (6-1 no less). The argument is nearly 25 years old now. The Prem suffers for the influx of foreigners who, while not necessarily disinterested and mercenary, cannot possibly be as bothered as a local lad like whether its Wilko or Gerrard can guarantee you 110% of the time. If anyone doubts that you're a cunting ostrich!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 3, 2015 12:18:07 GMT
There have been plenty of 'local lads' over the years who have fucked off at the first sign of a bigger club or more money.
It's a job for the majority of them. That's not a criticism, just how it is.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 3, 2015 12:22:17 GMT
No mate nobody ever would but the implication those characteristics are exclusive to British players is silly. Still something to be said for local heroes and what they could bring to a team. We probably flushed the last of his type down the toilet last season (6-1 no less). The argument is nearly 25 years old now. The Prem suffers for the influx of foreigners who, while not necessarily disinterested and mercenary, cannot possibly be as bothered as a local lad like whether its Wilko or Gerrard can guarantee you 110% of the time. If anyone doubts that you're a cunting ostrich! That leadership quality doesn't have to come from a local player though. Roy Keane was the shit's leader and yeller for years and he wasn't local. Huth and Shtanuik have been ours at times. Drogba at Chelsea Cruyff at Barcelona etc.
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Post by potterblade on Oct 3, 2015 12:29:45 GMT
There have been plenty of 'local lads' over the years who have fucked off at the first sign of a bigger club or more money. It's a job for the majority of them. That's not a criticism, just how it is. That is exactly how it is. Depressing. We better play our bollocks today.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 3, 2015 12:30:23 GMT
Leadership is still as important as it has ever been in football.
You need a big gobby centre-half who tells everyone where they should be standing. And also to keep everyones head focused when things are not going well on the pitch.
You dont need 11 leaders on the pitch but EVERY team needs 2 or 3 players of that ilk.
We are suffering because we have only Whelan at the moment. We need Shawcross back, and also hoepfully Butland needs to grow in confidence and start telling the back 4 what to do and where to stand.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Oct 3, 2015 13:52:24 GMT
This is the same Danny Higginbotham who won everything in the game, including the Champions League. NOT. Another of the amazing pundits who claim to know everything when they stop playing but achieved very little when they were playing and now opts for the easy route of pundit, rather than prove he knows everything by going into management. I'm afraid he's turned into a right little know it all. File him and 99% of all pundits in the shitbin. It means absolutely nothing if you have won the Champs League/World Cup/18 Premier League titles or the Simod Cup. Henry/Owen won numerous honours....both are the epitomy of banality in terms of punditry. Give me Merson/Scholes/Keane over any of them pair (add Jamie Redknapp to the banality list!!!)
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