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Post by flinteastwood on Oct 1, 2015 13:20:59 GMT
you don't have to be a happy clappy fan and go along with the managers selections to support a team. I believe that Woy is a fucking clueless manager and I will never be a fan of certain players picked but I will always support England.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Oct 1, 2015 13:24:33 GMT
Joe Hart should be worried if Jack carries on with the excellent form he has shown this year and Harts form dips just as it did last year and the year before, he might find himself dropped at Man City in which case Roy has a big decision to make with a keeper he had the chance to blood in 2 competitive games as well as friendly’s and failed to do so. I know which keeper I think has performed best so far this season.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2015 13:40:23 GMT
If hart doesn't have an experienced back up if something happens we are fucked.
Jack should be playing at least every other friendly and the odd easier group game to get experience
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 1, 2015 13:58:53 GMT
Yes, because people aren't allowed to change their opinion ever. so you're saying that because some stoke fans have changed their opinion then therefore hodgson HAS to pick him???? It's just the usual anti-england bollocksy agenda by the usual suspects....don't support them because stoke player don't get in the squad,then when 1 does the goalsposts are moved and now it's a case of don't support them because they're not an automatic first choice.tedious in the extreme!!! People moan that he only picks players because of their teams rather than ability...now,whilst that may be true with some players the simple fact is that here hodgson has picked the best english goalkeeper to play in goal for england...in other words chosen the player based on his talent (which is apparently what people want him to do in the bloody first place!!!.....oh apart from when it doesn't fit the current argument of course) chop,change,flip flop,back and forth,move the goalposts here there and everywhere just so they have a tenuous excuse to moan about hodgson...juvenile and transparent! Wow you read a lot into fuck all, I was more commenting on Werrington having a go at people that thought he wasn't ready, I didn't mention anything to do with England in that post, so wind ya neck in eh, and you go on about people moaning , bit rich.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Oct 1, 2015 14:07:21 GMT
I think it's because he plays for Stoke. Yep, so he wasn't an evil prick for picking his best goalkeeper then, but he is now... Almost as if the level of opprobrium isn't really warranted.
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Post by rawli on Oct 1, 2015 14:29:58 GMT
I think it's because he plays for Stoke. Yep, so he wasn't an evil prick for picking his best goalkeeper then, but he is now... Almost as if the level of opprobrium isn't really warranted. I think it's because we're Stoke supporters.
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Post by wrighter on Oct 1, 2015 14:47:04 GMT
Pellegrini Had no qualms in dropping Hart last week !! [ or last season]
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Post by lordb on Oct 1, 2015 14:51:05 GMT
As an England fan it's a concern that the back up keepers lack experience at that level. On the other hand,as an England fan, it's important that we get something something like a settled team ahead of the Euros. Given the fixtures I would start with Butland in both qualifiers & play Hart agaisnt the 'bigger' nations for the friendlies,perhaps giving Butland & Heaton some time off the bench in those games
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 1, 2015 15:04:08 GMT
Hodgson doesn't pick a player by form, he picks them mainly by the club they play for..... If Hart dropped 3/4 huge clangers during the next few games (club level), but on the other hand, Butland was pulling off MotM saves, Butland would STILL be overlooked.....I think it's that, that really grinds with some Stoke supporters!!!
If Jack moved to a bigger club Hodgson would have almighty headaches!!!
Not trying to pick a team for him, but for fuck sake Roy, give the lad a game, I'm sure it wouldn't kill Hart, it's for the benefit of the squad ya know!!!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 1, 2015 15:05:48 GMT
Vardy was picked on form and everyone went mental!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 1, 2015 15:07:20 GMT
Yep, so he wasn't an evil prick for picking his best goalkeeper then, but he is now... Almost as if the level of opprobrium isn't really warranted. I think it's because we're Stoke supporters. Yeah, so it's not 'evil Woy fucking up our proud nations chances' it's, "we're Stoke fans and we want our own way".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 15:19:16 GMT
Butland is young enough. He'll get his chance, and he'll take it. Not under Roy he won't Seriously though,Butland is playing out of his skin, and has done his apprenticeship at under 21 level.If now isn't the time to start him in the full England team when is ?
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 1, 2015 15:22:04 GMT
It seems simple to me - give Jack and Joe one game each out of the next two.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 1, 2015 15:23:22 GMT
Can someone help me out and explain what SSN is In the States in stands for Social Security Number. However, I suspect that's not it!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 1, 2015 15:29:34 GMT
Can someone help me out and explain what SSN is In the States in stands for Social Security Number. However, I suspect that's not it! Sky Sports News mate.
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Post by crouchie on Oct 1, 2015 15:35:22 GMT
I think it's because we're Stoke supporters. Yeah, so it's not 'evil Woy fucking up our proud nations chances' it's, "we're Stoke fans and we want our own way". we just want to see a stoke player play for england no agenda just hey roy how about giving jack a game
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 1, 2015 16:05:46 GMT
I could pick Jack Butland ... but I don't want to upset Joe Hart, says Roy Hodgson The unfortunate aspect of this press release is that Hodgson has not kept these thoughts to himself, even if he decides to select Hart He goes on to say "But the problem is that in giving someone a go or a chance you are robbing a guy who wants to play. "It would be easier for me if some of the senior players didn't want to play all the games."It will be interesting to see if any of the newer additions / u21 players get their chance Well some of them do get too tired.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 1, 2015 16:18:38 GMT
Yeah, so it's not 'evil Woy fucking up our proud nations chances' it's, "we're Stoke fans and we want our own way". we just want to see a stoke player play for england no agenda just hey roy how about giving jack a game I don't think it makes him a prick just for not doing what we want him to do.
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Post by crouchie on Oct 1, 2015 16:22:26 GMT
we just want to see a stoke player play for england no agenda just hey roy how about giving jack a game I don't think it makes him a prick just for not doing what we want him to do. read my posts where i called hodgson a prick
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 1, 2015 16:25:40 GMT
I don't think it makes him a prick just for not doing what we want him to do. read my posts where i called hodgson a prick You weren't but others were on the thread and you suggested the reason people were so bothered was just because he's a Stoke player. My point is most of us want that but the manager can't pick his team based on what Stoke fans want.
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Post by skip on Oct 1, 2015 16:35:29 GMT
Domestic club plays number one keeper in the league, back up keeper in the cups. England plays number one keeper in the league, and in the friendlies, and in the finals...
If Hodgson honestly won't play Jack because he doesn't wish to upset Joe then he's a spineless cock.
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Post by devsad on Oct 1, 2015 16:38:26 GMT
Prick is strong but he is a poor manager and like a lot of his predecessors seems unduly influenced from the wrong quarters.
I fully support keeping a settled side and hate the way England caps seem to be thrown around these days. In my youth (I go back to Alf Ramsey days) England caps had to be earned and it meant that all games were important and competitive, even friendliest. These days friendliest seem to be little more than training exercises with far too many substitutions.
With England having already qualified Hodgson has a fantastic opportunity to give some of the real contenders for a first team place some experience in a competitive game. Butland appears to be England number 2 at the moment and should be selected got at least one of the games. Not to do so would be stupid. I say this irrespective of the fact he is a Stoke player.
For Hodgson to say he might not pick Butland because he doesn't want to upset Hart says everything about him as a manager.
I remember a story about Ramsey. I think it was Geoff Hurst who not long after the World Cup win left an England get together and said to Ramsey, 'see you next time'. Ramsey replied ' Yes, if your selected'.
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Post by rosco on Oct 1, 2015 16:52:00 GMT
Joe Hart should play both games he's England's best keeper. Of course I'd love to see Jack play but if I wasn't a Stoke fan it's a fairly obvious choice despite Jacks good form.
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Post by rawli on Oct 1, 2015 17:18:40 GMT
I think it's because we're Stoke supporters. Yeah, so it's not 'evil Woy fucking up our proud nations chances' it's, "we're Stoke fans and we want our own way". That's the way I see it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2015 17:43:24 GMT
It seems simple to me - give Jack and Joe one game each out of the next two. That would be the sensible plan. The central midfielders he's picked though are frightening! Just shows the lack of depth.
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Post by ohbottom on Oct 1, 2015 18:34:44 GMT
Can someone help me out and explain what SSN is In the States in stands for Social Security Number. However, I suspect that's not it! Sky Sports News mate. Surely that would be SSNM
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Post by stokebloke on Oct 1, 2015 19:08:12 GMT
It prooves that he is a pwick the fact that pieters or diouf have not had a chance in the squad
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Post by samba :) on Oct 1, 2015 19:21:13 GMT
And his tactical methods are unbelievably boring I wish England had big Sam
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Oct 1, 2015 19:52:49 GMT
More the fact he said Jack may not start as it will upset Hart who wants to play. Who picks the team Roy, you or Joe Hart. Man up a bit and pic the team you want and not get dictated to by club managers and players He'll have to take some tips off mourinho IF he comes through the implosion unscathed or JT if he doesn't, just my opinion like.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 20:11:50 GMT
And his tactical methods are unbelievably boring I wish England had big Sam
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