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Post by roostershair on Sept 29, 2015 15:30:19 GMT
Anybody hear Griffin having a go at Arnie on Praise and Grumble on Saturday? He got well and truly battered the bell-end. He lost it as well when a bloke rang in and started giving him shit!!
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Post by blurtonboy on Sept 29, 2015 15:37:11 GMT
No, but i used too clean his window in Barlaston, nice house.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 29, 2015 15:43:26 GMT
Where's Ricardo fuller when you need him?! He'll straighten the lad out.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 29, 2015 15:44:24 GMT
He's not fit to wipe Arnie's boots!
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Post by elystokie on Sept 29, 2015 15:49:22 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 29, 2015 16:00:30 GMT
Another one for the opinion cleansing list.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 29, 2015 16:01:10 GMT
The caller (Jim) was spot on. Griff falls into the trap of judging Arnies work rate by his body language. The truth of the matter is Arnie works hard down the flank and is in no way the passenger Griff makes him out to be.
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Post by muglump on Sept 29, 2015 16:07:02 GMT
The caller (Jim) was spot on. Griff falls into the trap of judging Arnies work rate by his body language. The truth of the matter is Arnie works hard down the flank and is in no way the passenger Griff makes him out to be. True. Arnie looks like a sulky miserable bastard but you only have to look at what he produces to see how good he really is.And he tracks back loads and effectively
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Post by slicko on Sept 29, 2015 16:13:40 GMT
Griffin's success at Stoke was borne through hard work and determination as his pace and skill was in short supply.
Arnie is pacey, skilfull, and spots creative opportunity.
I think that Griff may be a touch envious of his natural ability?
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 29, 2015 16:19:30 GMT
Griffin's success at Stoke was borne through hard work and determination as his pace and skill was in short supply. Arnie is pacey, skilfull, and spots creative opportunity. I think that Griff may be a touch envious of his natural ability? Griffin was a good player in his own right, but his claim that Arnie is a luxury player who doesn't track back is plain wrong.
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 29, 2015 16:23:49 GMT
Another one for the opinion cleansing list. But they don't need cleansing if they have the right opinion? Am I right?
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Sept 29, 2015 16:23:39 GMT
If Griff had said what he did on Saturday this time last season then I'd have agreed with all he said but he has come on leaps and bounds in all aspects of his play since then and imo at this moment Arnie is probably our most important player
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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on Sept 29, 2015 16:31:15 GMT
Arnie has been terrible for the last two second halves to be fair.
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Post by marcofstoke on Sept 29, 2015 16:34:48 GMT
Griffin - "you're away with the fairies you, away with the fairies, works his socks off? Come on mate"
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 29, 2015 16:37:40 GMT
Arnie has been terrible for the last two second halves to be fair. I thought Arnie's tail off in performance in the second half on Saturday was more down to the fact that he saw very little of the ball in the second half. And I didn't get the impression he was hiding, he just didn't seem to get the service that he had done in the first half. Maybe Pieters was under more pressure from their attack and didn't get the chance to play decent balls to Arnie and (as others have pointed out) much of our attacking flair had been subbed off in the second half. I haven't watched a rerun of the game but this is the impression I had by the end of the match. EDIT: I do think that there has been little to complain about Arnie's performance in 2015 - I think Griffin was way off in his comments, which I listened to on my way back ooop north.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 29, 2015 16:38:56 GMT
Just out of interest, when is it ok to disagree with former Stoke players?
Apart from when they criticise West Brom's manager, obviously...
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 29, 2015 16:39:36 GMT
That's why tones team were successful, the players under him bought into the way he played the game. Both Griff and Higgy are prime examples of this.
Tone wouldn't be able to bring himself to play a player like arnie, he is all the things that pulis didn't like.
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Post by Davef on Sept 29, 2015 16:42:34 GMT
He actually said that Arnie did well but let himself down by bringing up his inconsistency. Well, no shit Sherlock. Arnie's a winger and as a former professional Griff should know full well that wingers are notoriously inconsistent, even the great Ginola.
Name one winger we've had who hasn't had you tearing your hair out at times.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 29, 2015 16:42:56 GMT
Just out of interest, w hen is it ok to disagree with former Stoke players? Apart from when they criticise West Brom's manager, obviously... It depends who signed them!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 16:44:17 GMT
He actually said that Arnie did well but let himself down by bringing up his inconsistency. Well, no shit Sherlock. Arnie's a winger and as a former professional Griff should know full well that wingers are notoriously inconsistent, even the great Ginola. Name one winger we've had who hasn't had you tearing your hair out at times. Cresser.
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 29, 2015 16:46:21 GMT
He actually said that Arnie did well but let himself down by bringing up his inconsistency. Well, no shit Sherlock. Arnie's a winger and as a former professional Griff should know full well that wingers are notoriously inconsistent, even the great Ginola. Name one winger we've had who hasn't had you tearing your hair out at times. Sir Stan?
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Post by marcofstoke on Sept 29, 2015 16:47:57 GMT
He actually said that Arnie did well but let himself down by bringing up his inconsistency. Well, no shit Sherlock. Arnie's a winger and as a former professional Griff should know full well that wingers are notoriously inconsistent, even the great Ginola. Name one winger we've had who hasn't had you tearing your hair out at times. Peter Beagrie On second thoughts I'll go for Terry Conroy
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 29, 2015 17:00:09 GMT
Arnie has been terrible for the last two second halves to be fair. I thought Arnie's tail off in performance in the second half on Saturday was more down to the fact that he saw very little of the ball in the second half. And I didn't get the impression he was hiding, he just didn't seem to get the service that he had done in the first half. Maybe Pieters was under more pressure from their attack and didn't get the chance to play decent balls to Arnie and (as others have pointed out) much of our attacking flair had been subbed off in the second half. I haven't watched a rerun of the game but this is the impression I had by the end of the match. EDIT: I do think that there has been little to complain about Arnie's performance in 2015 - I think Griffin was way off in his comments, which I listened to on my way back ooop north. Bang on Lakeland, said exactly the same to my lad down the match.... Arnie was great in the first half when Stoke were attacking, but in the second we sat back and used Arnie very little... He still looked our biggest threat however when he did get the ball!!!
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Sept 29, 2015 17:02:19 GMT
Only caught the last 10-15 mins of the show in the car, but as others have said he picked a weird game to lay into Arnie.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 29, 2015 17:03:50 GMT
He actually said that Arnie did well but let himself down by bringing up his inconsistency. Well, no shit Sherlock. Arnie's a winger and as a former professional Griff should know full well that wingers are notoriously inconsistent, even the great Ginola. Name one winger we've had who hasn't had you tearing your hair out at times. Bjarni (the marmite kid)......he had me tearing my hair out continually.....it's a wonder I'm not bald!!!
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Post by block23 on Sept 29, 2015 17:04:33 GMT
I don't agree with griefs comments about specifically Saturday's performance, but there is truth in some of what he says. He also said he was a good player and I think the line of questioning took the point further than it was originally intended. It does strike me that if an ex player says something that does not fit with some peoples opinions (I nearly said agendas then, he's an help me!) then they get slagged off big time, and there playing record gets re-written, and somehow Pullis always gets dragged into it!
PS i do believe that Arnie is our best attacking option this season, doesn't stop me from getting frustrated with him sometimes
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 29, 2015 17:07:57 GMT
No, but i used too clean his window in Barlaston, nice house. With one window? Was it a round window?
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 29, 2015 17:11:10 GMT
Just out of interest, when is it ok to disagree with former Stoke players? Apart from when they criticise West Brom's manager, obviously... Or if they vote conservative.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Sept 29, 2015 17:37:22 GMT
He actually said that Arnie did well but let himself down by bringing up his inconsistency. Well, no shit Sherlock. Arnie's a winger and as a former professional Griff should know full well that wingers are notoriously inconsistent, even the great Ginola. Name one winger we've had who hasn't had you tearing your hair out at times. Stanley Matthews
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Post by fca47 on Sept 29, 2015 17:53:05 GMT
They are there to give their opinions, there is no player in the Stoke side that you couldn't find something to criticise, Arnies defending is awful, as is that of most wingers, I am sure he is told this every week, but doesn't really show much signs of improving that side of his game. Against Leicester he was caught out numerous times, just because he was slightly better against a side that didn't carry much of an attacking threat down the flanks doesn't meabpn that the shortcomings in his game been solved,
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