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Post by Countydog on Sept 19, 2015 17:48:48 GMT
I think these are worrying times, it is impossible to not post this without sounding negative but like I say I am worried. Mark Hughes has assembled a squad that is exciting, talented and full of flair - this however is the problem. This team for me can entertain and look fantastic when things are going well - hence the first half today. However when things get tough can we roll our sleeves up, dig in, manage a game and get a result ? - the current evidence is suggesting not.
Do we have the players to do the mucky jobs, break up play, spoil, lead - put their foot in when we need to dig in ? No not really - well not enough of them anyway. Its been said a lot but it is correct - Nzonzi is a huge loss. Some Stokies did not like him so much because his attitude and body language was often poor as was his demeanour and sometimes application. However what cannot be denied is what a great player he was and how he led the team, a presence that we are so massively lacking at the moment. This coupled with the injury to Shawcross means we lack that back bone, presence and leadership - I think this is obvious to everyone. We also massively miss Victor Moses not that anyone is to blame that he is no longer with us. Defensively we look frail and suspect, I am not sure we know what our best back 4 is? Whoever we put in there at the moment I have little confidence that we can get through a game without conceding.
The balance of the team is therefore wrong. Top heavy with talented players who excite - Arnie, Bojan, Shakiri and to some extent Van Ginkel and Muniesa, and then there is Joselu, Affelay and a lad called Moha who all fit this category. Every team needs a balance and at the moment we do not have that. Has Hughes tried to transform us too much ? Are teams doing to use what we used to do to others ? I do not want to mention the R word as it is far too early and hopefully we do have too many good players to be in this mix at the end. Good teams with good players can go down. Can you see 3 stand out teams at the moment that are so bad they will go down ? The obvious early indications say Sunderland and maybe Newcastle but these are big football clubs who will have to spend and may find a way out.
This sounds so negative and I don't mean it to be, we are after all only 6 games in and we do have some great players. I think 6 games is far too early to predict the season ahead and maybe after ten games will have a better idea. Mark Hughes needs our full support, I have faith in him and hopefully the results will start to come. I am however feeling very worried and uneasy hence this ramble I have put together....................
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 19, 2015 17:49:42 GMT
Maniche..? As in the tv pundit/leicester fan...?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 19, 2015 17:50:38 GMT
Nah.
We need better quality defenders.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 19, 2015 17:51:19 GMT
Sent my tea back tonight. It was too delicious.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Sept 19, 2015 17:53:45 GMT
Yep you're right we don't need talented players like the two that combined to create one of the best goals I've seen at the Brit. Fuck them off.
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Post by liamo on Sept 19, 2015 17:53:50 GMT
I don't think some fans have ever moved past Pulis and his work 'ard philosophy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 17:54:48 GMT
Sent my tea back tonight. It was too delicious. Made me laugh far more than it should have. |
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Post by mrred on Sept 19, 2015 17:56:17 GMT
Nah. We need better quality defenders. Essentially our problem at the moment. No consistent partnership. Can someone tell me what Cameron brings to a defence? Having been spoiled by astute, old fashioned defenders, he sticks out like a sore thumb for me. Constantly misses his intended target and I'm yet to see him complete a tackle. More interested in shaving his legs and making sure his beard is on point. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 19, 2015 18:00:26 GMT
I don't think some fans have ever moved past Pulis and his work 'ard philosophy You won't find good football teams that carry players who don't but the effort in , I still think that we have a few who are not quite as fit as other teams at times but our problem is discipline and concentration more than effort , we have players who switch off and that costs us and also lack discipline at times , it's these little things that make the difference and that is why us villa Newcastle and Sunderland are struggling now , all have some talented players but make stupid errors |
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Post by liamo on Sept 19, 2015 18:02:13 GMT
I don't think some fans have ever moved past Pulis and his work 'ard philosophy You won't find good football teams that carry players who don't but the effort in , I still think that we have a few who are not quite as fit as other teams at times but our problem is discipline and concentration more than effort , we have players who switch off and that costs us and also lack discipline at times , it's these little things that make the difference and that is why us villa Newcastle and Sunderland are struggling now , all have some talented players but make stupid errors I agree there mate, we looked completely knackered by the 60 minute mark and that's where the mistakes and lack of effort kicks in |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 18:03:42 GMT
Sent my tea back tonight. It was too delicious. wasn't steak and chips was it? |
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 19, 2015 20:39:44 GMT
I think these are worrying times, it is impossible to not post this without sounding negative but like I say I am worried. Mark Hughes has assembled a squad that is exciting, talented and full of flair - this however is the problem. This team for me can entertain and look fantastic when things are going well - hence the first half today. However when things get tough can we roll our sleeves up, dig in, manage a game and get a result ? - the current evidence is suggesting not. Do we have the players to do the mucky jobs, break up play, spoil, lead - put their foot in when we need to dig in ? No not really - well not enough of them anyway. Its been said a lot but it is correct - Nzonzi is a huge loss. Some Stokies did not like him so much because his attitude and body language was often poor as was his demeanour and sometimes application. However what cannot be denied is what a great player he was and how he led the team, a presence that we are so massively lacking at the moment. This coupled with the injury to Shawcross means we lack that back bone, presence and leadership - I think this is obvious to everyone. We also massively miss Victor Moses not that anyone is to blame that he is no longer with us. Defensively we look frail and suspect, I am not sure we know what our best back 4 is? Whoever we put in there at the moment I have little confidence that we can get through a game without conceding. The balance of the team is therefore wrong. Top heavy with talented players who excite - Arnie, Bojan, Shakiri and to some extent Van Ginkel and Muniesa, and then there is Joselu, Affelay and a lad called Moha who all fit this category. Every team needs a balance and at the moment we do not have that. Has Hughes tried to transform us too much ? Are teams doing to use what we used to do to others ? I do not want to mention the R word as it is far too early and hopefully we do have too many good players to be in this mix at the end. Good teams with good players can go down. Can you see 3 stand out teams at the moment that are so bad they will go down ? The obvious early indications say Sunderland and maybe Newcastle but these are big football clubs who will have to spend and may find a way out. This sounds so negative and I don't mean it to be, we are after all only 6 games in and we do have some great players. I think 6 games is far too early to predict the season ahead and maybe after ten games will have a better idea. Mark Hughes needs our full support, I have faith in him and hopefully the results will start to come. I am however feeling very worried and uneasy hence this ramble I have put together.................... Where is the flair? The Bojmister yes.. Arnie turns up for 4 games a season and we a pretty average everywhere else |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 19, 2015 20:42:08 GMT
I think these are worrying times, it is impossible to not post this without sounding negative but like I say I am worried. Mark Hughes has assembled a squad that is exciting, talented and full of flair - this however is the problem. This team for me can entertain and look fantastic when things are going well - hence the first half today. However when things get tough can we roll our sleeves up, dig in, manage a game and get a result ? - the current evidence is suggesting not. Do we have the players to do the mucky jobs, break up play, spoil, lead - put their foot in when we need to dig in ? No not really - well not enough of them anyway. Its been said a lot but it is correct - Nzonzi is a huge loss. Some Stokies did not like him so much because his attitude and body language was often poor as was his demeanour and sometimes application. However what cannot be denied is what a great player he was and how he led the team, a presence that we are so massively lacking at the moment. This coupled with the injury to Shawcross means we lack that back bone, presence and leadership - I think this is obvious to everyone. We also massively miss Victor Moses not that anyone is to blame that he is no longer with us. Defensively we look frail and suspect, I am not sure we know what our best back 4 is? Whoever we put in there at the moment I have little confidence that we can get through a game without conceding. The balance of the team is therefore wrong. Top heavy with talented players who excite - Arnie, Bojan, Shakiri and to some extent Van Ginkel and Muniesa, and then there is Joselu, Affelay and a lad called Moha who all fit this category. Every team needs a balance and at the moment we do not have that. Has Hughes tried to transform us too much ? Are teams doing to use what we used to do to others ? I do not want to mention the R word as it is far too early and hopefully we do have too many good players to be in this mix at the end. Good teams with good players can go down. Can you see 3 stand out teams at the moment that are so bad they will go down ? The obvious early indications say Sunderland and maybe Newcastle but these are big football clubs who will have to spend and may find a way out. This sounds so negative and I don't mean it to be, we are after all only 6 games in and we do have some great players. I think 6 games is far too early to predict the season ahead and maybe after ten games will have a better idea. Mark Hughes needs our full support, I have faith in him and hopefully the results will start to come. I am however feeling very worried and uneasy hence this ramble I have put together.................... Where is the flair? The Bojmister yes.. Arnie turns up for 4 games a season and we a pretty average everywhere else Did you miss the first goal? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 20:42:20 GMT
Every person i speak to who don't go stoke say the same thing to me. " Hughes is doing exactly what he has done when he has cash, buys shed loads of players and hasn't got a clue what do"
I used to laugh and say you don't know what your talking about! I hope I'm bloody right!!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 19, 2015 20:50:27 GMT
Every person i speak to who don't go stoke say the same thing to me. " Hughes is doing exactly what he has done when he has cash, buys shed loads of players and hasn't got a clue what do" I used to laugh and say you don't know what your talking about! I hope I'm bloody right!! I'm not convinced either time he had cash they were entirely his signings. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 20:51:44 GMT
Every person i speak to who don't go stoke say the same thing to me. " Hughes is doing exactly what he has done when he has cash, buys shed loads of players and hasn't got a clue what do" I used to laugh and say you don't know what your talking about! I hope I'm bloody right!! I'm not convinced either time he had cash they were entirely his signings. Hope he doesn't turn around in 4 months time and say these were Cartwright signings then |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 19, 2015 20:54:11 GMT
I'm not convinced either time he had cash they were entirely his signings. Hope he doesn't turn around in 4 months time and say these were Cartwright signings then I don't think he will because I don't think they are. But I can name you at least two huge signings at Citeh that weren't Hughes signings and QPR's behaviour since he left followed the same pattern as when he was there. |
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Post by potterblade on Sept 19, 2015 20:54:26 GMT
I think these are worrying times, it is impossible to not post this without sounding negative but like I say I am worried. Mark Hughes has assembled a squad that is exciting, talented and full of flair - this however is the problem. This team for me can entertain and look fantastic when things are going well - hence the first half today. However when things get tough can we roll our sleeves up, dig in, manage a game and get a result ? - the current evidence is suggesting not. Do we have the players to do the mucky jobs, break up play, spoil, lead - put their foot in when we need to dig in ? No not really - well not enough of them anyway. Its been said a lot but it is correct - Nzonzi is a huge loss. Some Stokies did not like him so much because his attitude and body language was often poor as was his demeanour and sometimes application. However what cannot be denied is what a great player he was and how he led the team, a presence that we are so massively lacking at the moment. This coupled with the injury to Shawcross means we lack that back bone, presence and leadership - I think this is obvious to everyone. We also massively miss Victor Moses not that anyone is to blame that he is no longer with us. Defensively we look frail and suspect, I am not sure we know what our best back 4 is? Whoever we put in there at the moment I have little confidence that we can get through a game without conceding. The balance of the team is therefore wrong. Top heavy with talented players who excite - Arnie, Bojan, Shakiri and to some extent Van Ginkel and Muniesa, and then there is Joselu, Affelay and a lad called Moha who all fit this category. Every team needs a balance and at the moment we do not have that. Has Hughes tried to transform us too much ? Are teams doing to use what we used to do to others ? I do not want to mention the R word as it is far too early and hopefully we do have too many good players to be in this mix at the end. Good teams with good players can go down. Can you see 3 stand out teams at the moment that are so bad they will go down ? The obvious early indications say Sunderland and maybe Newcastle but these are big football clubs who will have to spend and may find a way out. This sounds so negative and I don't mean it to be, we are after all only 6 games in and we do have some great players. I think 6 games is far too early to predict the season ahead and maybe after ten games will have a better idea. Mark Hughes needs our full support, I have faith in him and hopefully the results will start to come. I am however feeling very worried and uneasy hence this ramble I have put together.................... Can anyone break that down for me? I really can't be arsed to read it because the headline looks like bollocks anyway |
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 19, 2015 21:05:29 GMT
Every person i speak to who don't go stoke say the same thing to me. " Hughes is doing exactly what he has done when he has cash, buys shed loads of players and hasn't got a clue what do" I used to laugh and say you don't know what your talking about! I hope I'm bloody right!! What cash ??!!! There was little cash (considering the net spend) and the little there was was spent very unwisely Shaqiri included |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 21:08:33 GMT
Every person i speak to who don't go stoke say the same thing to me. " Hughes is doing exactly what he has done when he has cash, buys shed loads of players and hasn't got a clue what do" I used to laugh and say you don't know what your talking about! I hope I'm bloody right!! What cash ??!!! There was little cash (considering the net spend) and the little there was was spent very unwisely Shaqiri included Hughes has publicly said that cash is there! He constantly said he wanted a marquee signing and totally ignored replacing the player of the season and ever present midfielder we had |
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 19, 2015 21:11:26 GMT
What cash ??!!! There was little cash (considering the net spend) and the little there was was spent very unwisely Shaqiri included Hughes has publicly said that cash is there! He constantly said he wanted a marquee signing and totally ignored replacing the player of the season and ever present midfielder we had I agree It's as if you have a car, your engine breaks down but the. Go and spunked your money on a set of brand new alloy wheels !! |
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Post by reddipotter on Sept 19, 2015 21:12:22 GMT
With the possible exception of Shak, it is difficult to see which of this summer's signings have actually improved the team.
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Post by Matthews dad on Sept 19, 2015 21:19:28 GMT
With the possible exception of Shak, it is difficult to see which of this summer's signings have actually improved the team. They haven't, £25million spent and we've got worse, and now with a massive wage bill. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 19, 2015 21:36:41 GMT
I'm hoping Shawcross coming back will beat the back line into shape and then I'd want to throw Cameron into midfield to try and shore things up for a little bit. It's a desperate attempt but he's got decent control, knows how to place himself for interceptions and has a good engine. With Shawcross marshalling and a CM without van Ginkel's anonymity I think we'll be alright.
Shaq-Bojan-Arnie was very exciting in the first half today.
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Post by tomkinson67 on Sept 19, 2015 21:42:23 GMT
Every person i speak to who don't go stoke say the same thing to me. " Hughes is doing exactly what he has done when he has cash, buys shed loads of players and hasn't got a clue what do" I used to laugh and say you don't know what your talking about! I hope I'm bloody right!! This is what worries me. Hope like you that I'm wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 0:00:44 GMT
Every person i speak to who don't go stoke say the same thing to me. " Hughes is doing exactly what he has done when he has cash, buys shed loads of players and hasn't got a clue what do" I used to laugh and say you don't know what your talking about! I hope I'm bloody right!! What cash ??!!! There was little cash (considering the net spend) and the little there was was spent very unwisely Shaqiri included Jesus fucking Christ. |
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