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Post by kustokie on Sept 15, 2015 16:23:02 GMT
I don't see why we can't play 4-2-3-1 without Bojan. We've done so this season and produced our only good football doing so. We did so before his arrival and finished 9th. Not sure mate. He still doesn't seem to trust Ireland as a starter, and his other no10 options are restricted at the moment. Afellay, Adam unavailable etc. He's shied away from the 4-2-3-1 as far as I can see this season so far. Which game this year do you think he deplpoyed it effectively? As I said I'm chuffed he's prepared to mix it up and I'm sure he will again. His lack of faith in Ireland as a starter may be a mystery to some, but not to me at the moment. I applaud the unpredictability. The outcomes have been fairly predictable. 2 points out of possible 15. How long do you think it will be before he find the right combination?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 15, 2015 16:28:36 GMT
Not sure mate. He still doesn't seem to trust Ireland as a starter, and his other no10 options are restricted at the moment. Afellay, Adam unavailable etc. He's shied away from the 4-2-3-1 as far as I can see this season so far. Which game this year do you think he deplpoyed it effectively? As I said I'm chuffed he's prepared to mix it up and I'm sure he will again. His lack of faith in Ireland as a starter may be a mystery to some, but not to me at the moment. I applaud the unpredictability. The outcomes have been fairly predictable. 2 points out of possible 15. How long do you think it will be before he find the right combination? I don't want us to be a one man team but the answer to the question at the moment is 'when Bojan is back'.!!!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 15, 2015 16:39:35 GMT
I applaud the unpredictability. You've got this weird hatred of Ireland though haven't you Cheesy? Our best football of the season was the last half hour at Spurs when we went 4-2-3-1 and Ireland bossed it. He created a couple of decent chances when the same thing happened at Norwich. He doesn't always perform but he's surely done enough to warrant a start? That's been Hughes' whole thing up to now, that he runs a meritocracy? Your appeal for Ireland to start shouldn't be aimed at me but at the boss and his team. (Smiley). My weird hatred of Ireland is based on what I've seen of him for us. Not worth rehearsing it here. He's good to add to the mix if we've softened up and stretched a team, or in the Cup if a Wrexham need unpicking. He has a place, but not from the start. I hope eventually he proves me wrong. Smiley. I'm far less measured than on here in my assessment of him in real life.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 15, 2015 16:44:20 GMT
You've got this weird hatred of Ireland though haven't you Cheesy? Our best football of the season was the last half hour at Spurs when we went 4-2-3-1 and Ireland bossed it. He created a couple of decent chances when the same thing happened at Norwich. He doesn't always perform but he's surely done enough to warrant a start? That's been Hughes' whole thing up to now, that he runs a meritocracy? Your appeal for Ireland to start shouldn't be aimed at me but at the boss and his team. (Smiley). My weird hatred of Ireland is based on what I've seen of him for us. Not worth rehearsing it here. He's good to add to the mix if we've softened up and stretched a team, or in the Cup if a Wrexham need unpicking. He has a place, but not from the start. I hope eventually he proves me wrong. Smiley. I'm far less measured than on here in my assessment of him in real life. But if a player's in form he should be given a chance, especially if it's in an area where the team is struggling. What is there to lose? He's been hit and miss for us but he hasn't been a disaster, objectively speaking. He's had some very decent games even from the start. Is it because he killed off his nans and has a shark at home?
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Post by kustokie on Sept 15, 2015 16:51:28 GMT
Your appeal for Ireland to start shouldn't be aimed at me but at the boss and his team. (Smiley). My weird hatred of Ireland is based on what I've seen of him for us. Not worth rehearsing it here. He's good to add to the mix if we've softened up and stretched a team, or in the Cup if a Wrexham need unpicking. He has a place, but not from the start. I hope eventually he proves me wrong. Smiley. I'm far less measured than on here in my assessment of him in real life. But if a player's in form he should be given a chance, especially if it's in an area where the team is struggling. What is there to lose? He's been hit and miss for us but he hasn't been a disaster, objectively speaking. He's had some very decent games even from the start. Is it because he killed off his nans and has a shark at home? I agree. We've only scored 3 goals this season and 2 of them came in the 30 mins that Ireland played at Spuds. Surely that's woth something?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 15, 2015 16:52:44 GMT
Your appeal for Ireland to start shouldn't be aimed at me but at the boss and his team. (Smiley). My weird hatred of Ireland is based on what I've seen of him for us. Not worth rehearsing it here. He's good to add to the mix if we've softened up and stretched a team, or in the Cup if a Wrexham need unpicking. He has a place, but not from the start. I hope eventually he proves me wrong. Smiley. I'm far less measured than on here in my assessment of him in real life. But if a player's in form he should be given a chance, especially if it's in an area where the team is struggling. What is there to lose? He's been hit and miss for us but he hasn't been a disaster, objectively speaking. He's had some very decent games even from the start. Is it because he killed off his nans and has a shark at home? Possibly it's his upside down yed, cocky strut and angel wings back piece that puts him at a disadvantage in my view. And despite all that front it's his frequent anonymity that irks me. I'm sure if he starts pulling out more schwazz me, Mark and the team will put all that behind us. Meritocracy must extend to the training ground too, not just a 90 min thing. It's a squad game.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 15, 2015 16:54:59 GMT
But if a player's in form he should be given a chance, especially if it's in an area where the team is struggling. What is there to lose? He's been hit and miss for us but he hasn't been a disaster, objectively speaking. He's had some very decent games even from the start. Is it because he killed off his nans and has a shark at home? Possibly it's his upside down yed, cocky strut and angel wings back piece that puts him at a disadvantage in my view. And despite all that front it's his frequent anonymity that irks me. I'm sure if he starts pulling out more schwazz me, Mark and the team will put all that behind us. Meritocracy must extend to the training ground too, not just a 90 min thing. How much more schwazz does he need to pull out, given we're not creating chances? If he wasn't performing on the training ground we wouldn't be seeing him at all, surely? It must be more than his frequent anonymity given you struggle to praise him even when he actually does turn up?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 15, 2015 17:08:38 GMT
Possibly it's his upside down yed, cocky strut and angel wings back piece that puts him at a disadvantage in my view. And despite all that front it's his frequent anonymity that irks me. I'm sure if he starts pulling out more schwazz me, Mark and the team will put all that behind us. Meritocracy must extend to the training ground too, not just a 90 min thing. How much more schwazz does he need to pull out, given we're not creating chances? If he wasn't performing on the training ground we wouldn't be seeing him at all, surely? It must be more than his frequent anonymity given you struggle to praise him even when he actually does turn up? It's obviously difficult for me to fully explain my weird hatred. It's as much about me as it is him. Seriously though he's been a let down for me even when given the leash. I havn't had much opportunity to heap praise on him. When I have, I have, what more do you expect. More schwazz? A few more goals from the AM role for a start. And not hiding when he doesn't fancy it.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 15, 2015 17:15:27 GMT
I just don't see an argument that he shouldn't be given a chance at the moment. We have only looked good this season when we've gone 4-2-3-1 and he has created chances in a team that has struggled to create chances.
Even if he flops, it's surely worth a go at this point? Otherwise we're cutting off our nose to spite our face?
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 15, 2015 17:21:29 GMT
4-2-3-1 is the only way to go. Attacking when we have the ball, more solid (in theory) when we haven't.
How Ireland isn't starting is beyond me to be honest. He must be injured because the Manager obviously likes him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 17:41:02 GMT
4-2-3-1 is the only way to go. Attacking when we have the ball, more solid (in theory) when we haven't. How Ireland isn't starting is beyond me to be honest. He must be injured because the Manager obviously likes him. During his first year he was undroppable through some bad patches of form. He played well against Spurs and he's been dropped. Really don't get it.
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Post by shelve on Sept 16, 2015 3:15:46 GMT
When everyone's fit, 4-2-3-1
Butland
Johnson Shawcross Muniesa Pieters
Whelan Cameron
Shaqiri Bojan Arnie
Diouf
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 7:19:25 GMT
If I was a goalie I'd be proper pissed off, they never get a mention in formation parlances . So I will do that right now. I'd go... 1-4-5-4. and hope that no one notices that we have bought our subs on early without actually taking anyone off...Just a thought like...
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