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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 17:11:28 GMT
With Van Ginkel's seeming absence from games, is it worth dropping him, paying the extra and putting Cameron into the fold centre mid, or even Muniesa (though that would be my last choice). I can't really see any difference in quality between Wilson/Wolly/Cameron and all 3 would play the same way centre half alongside Muniesa.
The current midfield obviously isn't working, for whatever reason, Sidwell hasn't been up to task since arriving, and what we need in there is someone who has energy and solidity. Cameron is not an N'Zonzi replacement, but perhaps he could build a good relationship with Whelan in midfield? It would certainly put some grit back into the spine of the team!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 12, 2015 17:30:30 GMT
He needs to do something to sort it out, they are much of a muchness really with shawcross easily the best we have . Wilson is worth a recall but the back four and two holding midfielders have to become a tight unit and fast so whatever combination works . Certainly we can't afford any more games with van ginkel at the level he is currently at .
Needs to be a few very long Training sessions this week
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Sept 12, 2015 17:45:13 GMT
Problem is neither Cameron or Muniesa are centre halves, Muniesa thinks he is , and he performed well at times with Shawcross, but he has been found wanting without Ryan alongside him , he is a good player there is no doubt about that , but I think it will transpire that his best position will be at left back or as a CDM. Similarly Geoff's best position is also as a CDM , although he is a better right back than Bardsley. I find it hard to criticise Hughes after our performances over the past 2 seasons, but like most Stoke fans I find his failure to recognise the need for a commanding Centre Half baffling, knowing that Shawcross was out with a long term injury. All this of course has been said many times before and I have little doubt that we will improve and will follow in Chelsea's slipstream into an upper mid table positions.  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2015 17:46:43 GMT
Muni is a centre back.
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Post by march4 on Sept 12, 2015 17:49:24 GMT
Just think, we had a beast of a defender at the club and we let him go to one of our rivals after he singlehandedly transformed them from relegation certainties to mid-table comfort.
That single decision is going to cost LMH a lot of angst.
It was mind blowing stupidity.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Sept 12, 2015 18:01:04 GMT
He thinks he is and Hughes thinks he is, I rate Muniesa, but not as a Centre Half, incidently you lambasted Cameron for losing his man over his shoulder, did you see who lost Walcott in exactly the same way . ? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2015 18:07:54 GMT
He thinks he is and Hughes thinks he is, I rate Muniesa, but not as a Centre Half, incidently you lambasted Cameron for losing his man over his shoulder, did you see who lost Walcott in exactly the same way . ? No, I was watching our U-21's be utterly fucking dreadful too!  |
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Sept 12, 2015 18:11:20 GMT
He thinks he is and Hughes thinks he is, I rate Muniesa, but not as a Centre Half, incidently you lambasted Cameron for losing his man over his shoulder, did you see who lost Walcott in exactly the same way . ? No, I was watching our U-21's be utterly fucking dreadful too! Well I'll give you a clue and his name begins with M.  |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 12, 2015 18:41:35 GMT
And not a very good one by the looks of it. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2015 18:42:28 GMT
And not a very good one by the looks of it. |
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Post by stokesaint1 on Sept 12, 2015 18:51:30 GMT
Until we realise that we are getting stuffed defending the near post, doesn't matter which combination we play. Dennis Smith totally unimpressed with it.
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 12, 2015 19:32:41 GMT
Well if he is a very unorthodox one |
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 12, 2015 19:34:20 GMT
Just think, we had a beast of a defender at the club and we let him go to one of our rivals after he singlehandedly transformed them from relegation certainties to mid-table comfort. That single decision is going to cost LMH a lot of angst. It was mind blowing stupidity. Single-handedly is rather excessive |
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 12, 2015 19:35:28 GMT
Muniesa was poor today, he's ok alongside Ryan because Ryan is able to cover his mistakes and his runs out of position.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 12, 2015 19:36:39 GMT
In training tomorrow or whenever it is, take Wilson and Wollscheid to one side and stuff them into a black 52 reg Transit outside Clayton Wood and take them to Boother's squat, once there give him some whiskey and some imported Belarusian elbow porn and tell him to get to work.
Once he's surgically attached them together we'll be ready to unleash Philarc Wollson upon the Premier League and we won't concede another goal for 12 years.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 12, 2015 19:42:58 GMT
If Wilson is fit play him! He is a more natural leader than both Geoff and Muni! I'm not sure who I would play alongside Wilson of the two, but anyway I'd probably put one of the two up to replace MVG.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 12, 2015 19:45:05 GMT
Cameron for MVG.
Wilson for Cameron.
Will make a big difference.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 12, 2015 19:55:15 GMT
It is not just the center backs. The whole of the spne is a mess and needs sorting pronto. Whelan and Van Ginkle were virtually non-existent and gave Cameron and Muniesa no protection at all (not that they played well either). There was no disclipline at the back. Cameron, Muniesa and Bards all went walk-about in the no-mans land created by the absence of Whelan and Van Ginkle and got caught so many times it's miracle (thanks to Jack) that we weren't down 5 or 6 by half time. I don't especially care for Pieters but was one of the few at the back that looked like he knew what he doing. The rest looked like they'd never even met let alone trained together.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 12, 2015 19:56:29 GMT
He thinks he is and Hughes thinks he is, I rate Muniesa, but not as a Centre Half, incidently you lambasted Cameron for losing his man over his shoulder, did you see who lost Walcott in exactly the same way . ? The first goal was conceded after Joselu took the heaviest first touch to lose possession in the middle of the pitch just as Stoke were starting to move the ball around pretty well. This fucking awful touch from Joselu completely wrong footed every Stoke player on the pitch as noone would expect a professional footballer to lose possession in such an important position when under absolutely no pressure. Joselu was totally and utterly responsible for the first goal. However Muni and Geoff were wank today. |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 12, 2015 19:58:36 GMT
Cameron for MVG. Wilson for Cameron. Will make a big difference. That might help shore up the defensive mid-field and give the center backs some protection. Unfortunately it leaves Bards (or Johnson) and Wilson on the right side of the defence, which makes me shudder. I think I'll go mow the grass and calm down. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 20:03:19 GMT
He thinks he is and Hughes thinks he is, I rate Muniesa, but not as a Centre Half, incidently you lambasted Cameron for losing his man over his shoulder, did you see who lost Walcott in exactly the same way . ? No, I was watching our U-21's be utterly fucking dreadful too! I bet you wouldn't be saying that if Geoff Cameron had reportedly been at fault |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 20:05:49 GMT
Problem is neither Cameron or Muniesa are centre halves, Muniesa thinks he is , and he performed well at times with Shawcross, but he has been found wanting without Ryan alongside him , he is a good player there is no doubt about that , but I think it will transpire that his best position will be at left back or as a CDM. Similarly Geoff's best position is also as a CDM , although he is a better right back than Bardsley. I find it hard to criticise Hughes after our performances over the past 2 seasons, but like most Stoke fans I find his failure to recognise the need for a commanding Centre Half baffling, knowing that Shawcross was out with a long term injury. All this of course has been said many times before and I have little doubt that we will improve and will follow in Chelsea's slipstream into an upper mid table positions. Muniesa has had some good games at centre half,but like you say,alongside Ryan. Cameron is never a centre half in a million years. Agree with the majority of what you say though. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 12, 2015 20:13:00 GMT
Until we realise that we are getting stuffed defending the near post, doesn't matter which combination we play. Dennis Smith totally unimpressed with it. Todays goal had nothing to do with an ability to defend the near post and everything to do with 1 player not being able or willing to mark his man properly. Bardsley would only play for stoke city as an absolute last resort. He's been a very poor signing, free or otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 20:16:50 GMT
How about time for Wilson and Wollscheid? |
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Post by hartzchoco on Sept 12, 2015 20:23:25 GMT
I can't help but think getting rid of the Big German will go down as a large black mark in the Hughes legacy. Imagine how valuable Huth would be to us right now.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 12, 2015 20:26:08 GMT
And not a very good one by the looks of it. Muni looks like a great fella - as a footballer - jack of all trades ...... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 20:40:28 GMT
As I pointed out weeks ago. Two major areas needed addressing when we were pursuing a 'big name' signing! One was the replacement for nzonzi and the other was the replacement for Ryan. To not do either is appalling management. But hey ho we've got 6 players who can play the number 10 role
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 12, 2015 21:07:03 GMT
He thinks he is and Hughes thinks he is, I rate Muniesa, but not as a Centre Half, incidently you lambasted Cameron for losing his man over his shoulder, did you see who lost Walcott in exactly the same way . ? No, I was watching our U-21's be utterly fucking dreadful too! But if it had been Cameron,you'd have been all over it. |
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