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Post by bathstoke on Sept 11, 2015 11:39:15 GMT
Terminally sick people with 6mths to live will be given the chance to have "assisted death", under proposals by certain MP's.
What do you think. We have fantastic medical staff in hospices & drugs to ease pain, but some MP's & others say that we should have the choice to die.
On a side note, in my line of work I have known many people that received a diagnosis of 6mths to live & are still alive...
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 11, 2015 12:45:52 GMT
It's a decision that should be left with the dying individual and them alone . It's got fuck all do with any one else including the state or any so called do gooder. It's about dignity
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 11, 2015 13:09:31 GMT
It's a decision that should be left with the dying individual and them alone . It's got fuck all do with any one else including the state or any so called do gooder. It's about dignity Don't you think it'll change the course of medicine. If you get a diagnosis of 6mths with the option of a lethal injection, it will be a damnsight cheaper on the NHS than treatment/cure... |
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 11, 2015 13:19:52 GMT
It's a decision that should be left with the dying individual and them alone . It's got fuck all do with any one else including the state or any so called do gooder. It's about dignity Don't you think it'll change the course of medicine. If you get a diagnosis of 6mths with the option of a lethal injection, it will be a damnsight cheaper on the NHS than treatment/cure... Don't you think anyone in the right mind would consider all the options before deciding to end their own life ? . It's not like a man or woman that feels healthy , gets diagnosed with cancer , is given 6 months to live then says "kill me now". I'm sure they consider all the avenues first such as chemotherapy etc . Once they have tried to survive and fought till the end and are only being kept alive via machine and medicine then it's time to let them go with a bit of dignity . What proud old man that's probably fought for his country and worked hard all his life wants to lie on his bed whilst his sons and daughters wipe his arse because he isn't capable of doing so himself . Some people have a bit of self respect and if the decide it's time then it's time and not you , me or anyone else has the right to tell anyone else when there time as come . It should be regulated it should be policed and it should be a last resort and only administered once there is no going back . There is no point spending your final weeks in agony when you have the option to go peacefully . We put dogs down in this country that are suffering but we can't offer humans the same level of respect . It's a private matter and not to anyone else to stick their nose into . People need to mind their own business with things like this . The individual is what matters , fuck the red tape |
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 11, 2015 13:38:17 GMT
Don't you think it'll change the course of medicine. If you get a diagnosis of 6mths with the option of a lethal injection, it will be a damnsight cheaper on the NHS than treatment/cure... It should be regulated it should be policed and it should be a last resort and only administered once there is no going back . There is no point spending your final weeks in agony when you have the option to go peacefully . That's just it, there has hardly been any serious provisional legislation done before this vote today. It's a case of vote now & we'll sort the details later. I fear the law of unintended consequences |
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 11, 2015 13:44:03 GMT
It should be regulated it should be policed and it should be a last resort and only administered once there is no going back . There is no point spending your final weeks in agony when you have the option to go peacefully . That's just it, there has hardly been any serious provisional legislation done before this vote today. It's a case of vote now & we'll sort the details later. I fear the law of unintended consequences Goes without saying |
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Post by Northy on Sept 11, 2015 13:52:08 GMT
Don't you think it'll change the course of medicine. If you get a diagnosis of 6mths with the option of a lethal injection, it will be a damnsight cheaper on the NHS than treatment/cure... Don't you think anyone in the right mind would consider all the options before deciding to end their own life ? . It's not like a man or woman that feels healthy , gets diagnosed with cancer , is given 6 months to live then says "kill me now". I'm sure they consider all the avenues first such as chemotherapy etc . Once they have tried to survive and fought till the end and are only being kept alive via machine and medicine then it's time to let them go with a bit of dignity . What proud old man that's probably fought for his country and worked hard all his life wants to lie on his bed whilst his sons and daughters wipe his arse because he isn't capable of doing so himself . Some people have a bit of self respect and if the decide it's time then it's time and not you , me or anyone else has the right to tell anyone else when there time as come . It should be regulated it should be policed and it should be a last resort and only administered once there is no going back . There is no point spending your final weeks in agony when you have the option to go peacefully . We put dogs down in this country that are suffering but we can't offer humans the same level of respect . It's a private matter and not to anyone else to stick their nose into . People need to mind their own business with things like this . The individual is what matters , fuck the red tape What harry said for me. I agree with it, it should be the individuals choice |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 14:10:16 GMT
Voted against
Seems the politicians are out of touch with the public yet again
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 11, 2015 16:34:01 GMT
Don't you think it'll change the course of medicine. If you get a diagnosis of 6mths with the option of a lethal injection, it will be a damnsight cheaper on the NHS than treatment/cure... Don't you think anyone in the right mind would consider all the options before deciding to end their own life ? . It's not like a man or woman that feels healthy , gets diagnosed with cancer , is given 6 months to live then says "kill me now". I'm sure they consider all the avenues first such as chemotherapy etc . Once they have tried to survive and fought till the end and are only being kept alive via machine and medicine then it's time to let them go with a bit of dignity . What proud old man that's probably fought for his country and worked hard all his life wants to lie on his bed whilst his sons and daughters wipe his arse because he isn't capable of doing so himself . Some people have a bit of self respect and if the decide it's time then it's time and not you , me or anyone else has the right to tell anyone else when there time as come . It should be regulated it should be policed and it should be a last resort and only administered once there is no going back . There is no point spending your final weeks in agony when you have the option to go peacefully . We put dogs down in this country that are suffering but we can't offer humans the same level of respect . It's a private matter and not to anyone else to stick their nose into . People need to mind their own business with things like this . The individual is what matters , fuck the red tape I've watched someone close to me die. We all will and/or have at some point. The issue isn't just about dignity, as important as that is. It's about safety, consent and the hypocratic oath also. What one mental health expert deems "of sound mind" can be argued against by another. Without any safeguards it's a hopeless piece of legislation. In terms of principle - if you're pro euthanasia you're very close to being pro-suicide. Not quite, but close. It's a legal minefield. If you say you have the right to end your own life it provides another defence for clinical murder. It's not something you can pass on legislation without care. Personally....I'm against it. I have my reasons but that's my business. |
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 11, 2015 16:35:17 GMT
Don't you think anyone in the right mind would consider all the options before deciding to end their own life ? . It's not like a man or woman that feels healthy , gets diagnosed with cancer , is given 6 months to live then says "kill me now". I'm sure they consider all the avenues first such as chemotherapy etc . Once they have tried to survive and fought till the end and are only being kept alive via machine and medicine then it's time to let them go with a bit of dignity . What proud old man that's probably fought for his country and worked hard all his life wants to lie on his bed whilst his sons and daughters wipe his arse because he isn't capable of doing so himself . Some people have a bit of self respect and if the decide it's time then it's time and not you , me or anyone else has the right to tell anyone else when there time as come . It should be regulated it should be policed and it should be a last resort and only administered once there is no going back . There is no point spending your final weeks in agony when you have the option to go peacefully . We put dogs down in this country that are suffering but we can't offer humans the same level of respect . It's a private matter and not to anyone else to stick their nose into . People need to mind their own business with things like this . The individual is what matters , fuck the red tape I've watched someone close to me die. We all will and/or have at some point. The issue isn't just about dignity, as important as that is. It's about safety, consent. and the hypocratic oath also. What one mental health expert deems "of sound mind" can be argued against by another. Without any safeguards it's a hopeless law and it should be voted down. In terms of principle - if you're pro euthanasia you're very close to being pro-suicide. Not quite, but close. It's a legal minefield. If you say you have the right to end your own life it provides another defence for clinical murder. It's not something you can pass on legislation without care. Personally....I'm against it. I have my reasons but that's my business. I'm for it. For the reasons I gave. Which I stand by |
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 11, 2015 16:37:01 GMT
I've watched someone close to me die. We all will and/or have at some point. The issue isn't just about dignity, as important as that is. It's about safety, consent. and the hypocratic oath also. What one mental health expert deems "of sound mind" can be argued against by another. Without any safeguards it's a hopeless law and it should be voted down. In terms of principle - if you're pro euthanasia you're very close to being pro-suicide. Not quite, but close. It's a legal minefield. If you say you have the right to end your own life it provides another defence for clinical murder. It's not something you can pass on legislation without care. Personally....I'm against it. I have my reasons but that's my business. I'm for it. For the reasons I gave. Which I stand by That's perfectly fine. You'll have your reasons and as you said it's a personal thing. |
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 11, 2015 16:46:12 GMT
I'm for it. For the reasons I gave. Which I stand by That's perfectly fine. You'll have your reasons and as you said it's a personal thing. Of course it's fine lol wouldn't make a difference if it wasn't . |
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 11, 2015 17:41:22 GMT
That's perfectly fine. You'll have your reasons and as you said it's a personal thing. Of course it's fine lol wouldn't make a difference if it wasn't . Yep, each to their own. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 11, 2015 17:55:26 GMT
They should start it in the house of Lords.
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 11, 2015 17:59:45 GMT
They should start it in the house of Lords. I could think of better places to start and I'd be queuing up to deliver the lethal injection  |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 11, 2015 18:04:33 GMT
They should start it in the house of Lords. I could think of better places to start and I'd be queuing up to deliver the lethal injection Lol  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 11, 2015 18:49:14 GMT
Don't you think anyone in the right mind would consider all the options before deciding to end their own life ? . It's not like a man or woman that feels healthy , gets diagnosed with cancer , is given 6 months to live then says "kill me now". I'm sure they consider all the avenues first such as chemotherapy etc . Once they have tried to survive and fought till the end and are only being kept alive via machine and medicine then it's time to let them go with a bit of dignity . What proud old man that's probably fought for his country and worked hard all his life wants to lie on his bed whilst his sons and daughters wipe his arse because he isn't capable of doing so himself . Some people have a bit of self respect and if the decide it's time then it's time and not you , me or anyone else has the right to tell anyone else when there time as come . It should be regulated it should be policed and it should be a last resort and only administered once there is no going back . There is no point spending your final weeks in agony when you have the option to go peacefully . We put dogs down in this country that are suffering but we can't offer humans the same level of respect . It's a private matter and not to anyone else to stick their nose into . People need to mind their own business with things like this . The individual is what matters , fuck the red tape What harry said for me. I agree with it, it should be the individuals choice And me! Common sense argument, clearly explained. Thanks Harry |
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 11, 2015 21:05:25 GMT
Is this why Bish dropped off the radar?
Was he anticipating a "yes" vote.
Maybe he feel safe enough to come out of hiding now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 21:23:37 GMT
They should start it in the house of Lords. I fear many maybe already dead but have been sat there in a comatose state for many years ..... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 21:34:20 GMT
Don't you think it'll change the course of medicine. If you get a diagnosis of 6mths with the option of a lethal injection, it will be a damnsight cheaper on the NHS than treatment/cure... Don't you think anyone in the right mind would consider all the options before deciding to end their own life ? . It's not like a man or woman that feels healthy , gets diagnosed with cancer , is given 6 months to live then says "kill me now". I'm sure they consider all the avenues first such as chemotherapy etc . Once they have tried to survive and fought till the end and are only being kept alive via machine and medicine then it's time to let them go with a bit of dignity . What proud old man that's probably fought for his country and worked hard all his life wants to lie on his bed whilst his sons and daughters wipe his arse because he isn't capable of doing so himself . Some people have a bit of self respect and if the decide it's time then it's time and not you , me or anyone else has the right to tell anyone else when there time as come . It should be regulated it should be policed and it should be a last resort and only administered once there is no going back . There is no point spending your final weeks in agony when you have the option to go peacefully . We put dogs down in this country that are suffering but we can't offer humans the same level of respect . It's a private matter and not to anyone else to stick their nose into . People need to mind their own business with things like this . The individual is what matters , fuck the red tape Top,top post! Brilliantly put and all that needs to be said for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 22:34:37 GMT
The law allows animals to be put to sleep to end their misery , but we don't allow it for humans . I think that this is a contradiction of humanity .
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 14, 2015 22:44:45 GMT
Someone on BBC Radio 4 the other evening drew an analogy between humans and animals being put to sleep.
Somebody asked them how many animals are asked if they have suffered enough and wanted to die?
The person on the radio said "they could just tell" the animal wanted to die.
There was a pause.
All agreed it was a ridiculous and dangerous analogy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 23:00:22 GMT
I have two terminally ill dogs . One is 11 and the other is 13 and both have different forms of cancer and other related conditions . Both are on medication to alleviate as much pain as is possible . Both still have some quality of life and go about about life in a normal way . When the time comes that they cannot function properly or become immobile then that is the time to end their suffering . Much too often do I see animals who suffering has been extended by their owners oblivious to the impact it was having to the animal. Several times I have taken dogs to the vets riddled with maggots because the owner cannot bear to part with the dog . This is called cruelty in my opinion .
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 17, 2015 7:05:15 GMT
Don't you think it'll change the course of medicine. If you get a diagnosis of 6mths with the option of a lethal injection, it will be a damnsight cheaper on the NHS than treatment/cure... Don't you think anyone in the right mind would consider all the options before deciding to end their own life ? . It's not like a man or woman that feels healthy , gets diagnosed with cancer , is given 6 months to live then says "kill me now". I'm sure they consider all the avenues first such as chemotherapy etc . Once they have tried to survive and fought till the end and are only being kept alive via machine and medicine then it's time to let them go with a bit of dignity . What proud old man that's probably fought for his country and worked hard all his life wants to lie on his bed whilst his sons and daughters wipe his arse because he isn't capable of doing so himself . Some people have a bit of self respect and if the decide it's time then it's time and not you , me or anyone else has the right to tell anyone else when there time as come . It should be regulated it should be policed and it should be a last resort and only administered once there is no going back . There is no point spending your final weeks in agony when you have the option to go peacefully . We put dogs down in this country that are suffering but we can't offer humans the same level of respect . It's a private matter and not to anyone else to stick their nose into . People need to mind their own business with things like this . The individual is what matters , fuck the red tape  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 7:23:54 GMT
Before he got locked up I know Paul Gadd, AKA Gary Glitter was a big fan of Euthanasia ...Or maybe he was a big fan of Youth in Asia.
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Post by shrewplotter on Sept 18, 2015 11:01:24 GMT
I'm generally in favour, although I have seen dozens of cases in our hospitals where quite/very/severely ill patients are "started on the morphine"...it's usually the end when they do this. I made an intervention once, got them to stop administering the morphine and the old fella is still alive and (un)well, but at least his elderly wife is not alone. That was five years ago and we play chess to this day.
I'm hot and cold with it all to be honest.
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