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Post by slother on Sept 4, 2015 11:20:57 GMT
Jordan has taken 2 million out of 4 million.
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Post by slother on Sept 4, 2015 11:22:39 GMT
At the point they're fleeing war or famine.
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Post by slother on Sept 4, 2015 11:28:33 GMT
Of course they're well dressed with mobile phones, until recently Syria was a respectable successful country. Then ISIS moved in and wrecked the place.
If the UK turned into a warzone and you had to leave you'd take your phone with you wouldn't you? Or would that preclude you from being helped?
You complain when they're "barbarians". You complain when they're "civilised". Face it, you're thick as shit and would do best to do the opposite of what your monkey brain tells you.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 4, 2015 11:38:51 GMT
I can't believe you're doubting our PM's integrity I know hes a tit! It was more the staged outrage/compassion that turned my stomach. On a side note, do you live in bath? I used to hoypaloy with the other half myself many moons ago. Lived on newbridge road and then on landsdown hill, nice place Yeah, Came in 94 with Stoke for the FACup & Still here
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Post by fca47 on Sept 4, 2015 12:05:23 GMT
The father of this child is being held up as some kind of hero, he has taken a family to sea in an unseaworthy boat, from a country where they were in no danger, Turkey. If it were a British person they would be prosecuted not lauded.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 4, 2015 12:20:18 GMT
I can't believe you're doubting our PM's integrity The papers have changed their tune because they follow public opinion where they cannot lead it. Everyone's seen that photo of the kid washed up on the beach. It's amazing how far a powerful snapshot like that can take things. Sent from my Nexus 5 using proboards We are doing more than many people realise. For example our overseas aid to these people is more than the whole of the EU combined and only second to USA. Cameron is right to say we will take more in but from existing refugee camps in the Middle East. This will help to ensure that they are genuine refugees and not illegal migrants jumping on the refugee bandwagon. We saw this in BBC news last night when the correspondent interviewing the so called refugees on the train in Hungary found some that were Pakistanis trying to get illegally to EU. In addition by doing this Cameron is hoping that it will discourage refugees from travelling to Europe. It's probably one way out of this mess to be fair on the PM.....disperse refugees in a controlled manner from existing camps in Jordan and Lebanon etc allowing them to fill up again and so on. The UNHCR already vet these people at the camps to ensure they are genuine refugees. The migration of illegal economic migrants from much of Africa are a different matter and far more complex to sort out.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 4, 2015 12:23:27 GMT
Of course they're well dressed with mobile phones, until recently Syria was a respectable successful country. Then ISIS moved in and wrecked the place. If the UK turned into a warzone and you had to leave you'd take your phone with you wouldn't you? Or would that preclude you from being helped? You complain when they're "barbarians". You complain when they're "civilised". Face it, you're thick as shit and would do best to do the opposite of what your monkey brain tells you. Sent from my Nexus 5 using proboards "But they're all young men without families?!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 12:35:41 GMT
The papers have changed their tune because they follow public opinion where they cannot lead it. Everyone's seen that photo of the kid washed up on the beach. It's amazing how far a powerful snapshot like that can take things. Sent from my Nexus 5 using proboards We are doing more than many people realise. For example our overseas aid to these people is more than the whole of the EU combined and only second to USA. Cameron is right to say we will take more in but from existing refugee camps in the Middle East. This will help to ensure that they are genuine refugees and not illegal migrants jumping on the refugee bandwagon. We saw this in BBC news last night when the correspondent interviewing the so called refugees on the train in Hungary found some that were Pakistanis trying to get illegally to EU. In addition by doing this Cameron is hoping that it will discourage refugees from travelling to Europe. It's probably one way out of this mess to be fair on the PM.....disperse refugees in a controlled manner from existing camps in Jordan and Lebanon etc allowing them to fill up again and so on. The UNHCR already vet these people at the camps to ensure they are genuine refugees. The migration of illegal economic migrants from much of Africa are a different matter and far more complex to sort out. I may need to top up on the Warfarin , and it maybe simply a figment of my imagination , but I could swear that dipstick Dave was thumping table declaring that we were planning on reducing the amount of migrants to under 100,000 as soon as was humanly possible , so to suggest that he is right to take in more Syrians is quite frankly baffling and smacks of double standards . He has also made it clear how he intends to stand his ground in his negotiations with the EU over immigrants coming into the UK by reducing their numbers . We are currently being dictated to by Angela Merkel . She is the real head of state for the UK because whatever she demands she gets and Dave has to do as he is told . We have absolutely no bargaining power left as this right has been given up without a whimper . It is simply a case of the tail wagging the dog . When it comes to Daves role in the lead up to negotiations with the EU over the referendum and it's possible impact , then I Bet that Mrs Merkel is positively quaking in her boots fearing the wrath of Daves well educated tongue . She may need to adorn an extra layer of pissy pads to mop up the moisture when they sit down for crunch talks . What an absolute fucking farcical joke he and this country has become .
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 4, 2015 12:58:58 GMT
Could just see that banner in Block 19, for maybe 3 or 4 seconds. They wouldn't be able to read that banner in block 19
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Post by salopstick on Sept 4, 2015 13:16:41 GMT
Migrants are different to asylum seekers
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 4, 2015 13:50:35 GMT
We are doing more than many people realise. For example our overseas aid to these people is more than the whole of the EU combined and only second to USA. Cameron is right to say we will take more in but from existing refugee camps in the Middle East. This will help to ensure that they are genuine refugees and not illegal migrants jumping on the refugee bandwagon. We saw this in BBC news last night when the correspondent interviewing the so called refugees on the train in Hungary found some that were Pakistanis trying to get illegally to EU. In addition by doing this Cameron is hoping that it will discourage refugees from travelling to Europe. It's probably one way out of this mess to be fair on the PM.....disperse refugees in a controlled manner from existing camps in Jordan and Lebanon etc allowing them to fill up again and so on. The UNHCR already vet these people at the camps to ensure they are genuine refugees. The migration of illegal economic migrants from much of Africa are a different matter and far more complex to sort out. I may need to top up on the Warfarin , and it maybe simply a figment of my imagination , but I could swear that dipstick Dave was thumping table declaring that we were planning on reducing the amount of migrants to under 100,000 as soon as was humanly possible , so to suggest that he is right to take in more Syrians is quite frankly baffling and smacks of double standards . He has also made it clear how he intends to stand his ground in his negotiations with the EU over immigrants coming into the UK by reducing their numbers . We are currently being dictated to by Angela Merkel . She is the real head of state for the UK because whatever she demands she gets and Dave has to do as he is told . We have absolutely no bargaining power left as this right has been given up without a whimper . It is simply a case of the tail wagging the dog . When it comes to Daves role in the lead up to negotiations with the EU over the referendum and it's possible impact , then I Bet that Mrs Merkel is positively quaking in her boots fearing the wrath of Daves well educated tongue . She may need to adorn an extra layer of pissy pads to mop up the moisture when they sit down for crunch talks . What an absolute fucking farcical joke he and this country has become . It's a valid point you make regarding the apparent U- turn on immigration. However these words were spoken before this current humanitarian crisis started to unfold plus I think he is bowing to pressure at home as well as the EU. I'm all for stopping free movement between EU countries and illegal economic migrants coming to UK but people fleeing from war torn countries is a different matter altogether. UNHCR administering the Syrian and other refugees at camps in safe countries close to their own, with help from the western community followed by dispersal to friendly countries has to be the way ahead IMO. Those refugees currently on the move should placed into safe camps in Hungary or wherever they are so they to can be administered. Once we have this system in place and working then we can better deal with the illegal migration from other eastern and African countries. What would your solution be?
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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 4, 2015 14:07:48 GMT
A thread about refugees giving an excuse for carpslayer and his little cronies to display their boundless ignorance!? It's like being back on the 'everything else' board Nooo, you've wandered on to the NASTY LITTLE ENGLAND board by mistake
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 14:33:18 GMT
My solution would be to withdraw from all talks of repatriation for asylum seekers until a fair and equal system involving all member states was introduced .
I would use the naval strength of all the EU countries to stop them from travelling from the North African countries .
I would create holding compounds on North African soil for all those returned back to the shore .
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Post by desman2 on Sept 4, 2015 14:56:17 GMT
A thread about refugees giving an excuse for carpslayer and his little cronies to display their boundless ignorance!? It's like being back on the 'everything else' board Ignorance of what.
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 4, 2015 15:19:25 GMT
I would use the naval strength of all the EU countries to stop them from travelling from the North African countries . I would create holding compounds on North African soil for all those returned back to the shore . Fully agree with this
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 15:42:01 GMT
A thread about refugees giving an excuse for carpslayer and his little cronies to display their boundless ignorance!? It's like being back on the 'everything else' board Nooo, you've wandered on to the NASTY LITTLE ENGLAND board by mistake When I posted that it was on the 'Stoke City FC' board Seems pretty obvious from my comment but maybe you're a little slow or something, who knows
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 16:20:03 GMT
Of course they're well dressed with mobile phones, until recently Syria was a respectable successful country. Then ISIS moved in and wrecked the place. If the UK turned into a warzone and you had to leave you'd take your phone with you wouldn't you? Or would that preclude you from being helped? You complain when they're "barbarians". You complain when they're "civilised". Face it, you're thick as shit and would do best to do the opposite of what your monkey brain tells you. Sent from my Nexus 5 using proboards So proud of that one you liked your own post eh?
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 4, 2015 16:42:46 GMT
I may need to top up on the Warfarin , and it maybe simply a figment of my imagination , but I could swear that dipstick Dave was thumping table declaring that we were planning on reducing the amount of migrants to under 100,000 as soon as was humanly possible , so to suggest that he is right to take in more Syrians is quite frankly baffling and smacks of double standards . He has also made it clear how he intends to stand his ground in his negotiations with the EU over immigrants coming into the UK by reducing their numbers . We are currently being dictated to by Angela Merkel . She is the real head of state for the UK because whatever she demands she gets and Dave has to do as he is told . We have absolutely no bargaining power left as this right has been given up without a whimper . It is simply a case of the tail wagging the dog . When it comes to Daves role in the lead up to negotiations with the EU over the referendum and it's possible impact , then I Bet that Mrs Merkel is positively quaking in her boots fearing the wrath of Daves well educated tongue . She may need to adorn an extra layer of pissy pads to mop up the moisture when they sit down for crunch talks . What an absolute fucking farcical joke he and this country has become . It's a valid point you make regarding the apparent U- turn on immigration. However these words were spoken before this current humanitarian crisis started to unfold plus I think he is bowing to pressure at home as well as the EU. I'm all for stopping free movement between EU countries and illegal economic migrants coming to UK..... Why? The UK isn't in the EU Schengen Area so what purpose would that serve? It just means UK citizens can't work freely within the EU. Illegal migrants are illegal whether they're economic or not. That's why they're called illegal. If you want to stop illegal immigration you need close international cooperation through multilateral institutions - in this case the EU. The UN deals with refugees on a multilateral level.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 4, 2015 16:45:33 GMT
Migrants are different to asylum seekers And not all asylum seekers should travel half way across the world endangering themselves and their families passing through safe countries to get to the uk either There needs to be a balance The UK for example could use their overseas aid fund to bung Hungary and other countries a few quid to help pay That would be equally as valid.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 4, 2015 16:59:49 GMT
It's a valid point you make regarding the apparent U- turn on immigration. However these words were spoken before this current humanitarian crisis started to unfold plus I think he is bowing to pressure at home as well as the EU. I'm all for stopping free movement between EU countries and illegal economic migrants coming to UK..... Why? The UK isn't in the EU Schengen Area so what purpose would that serve? It just means UK citizens can't work freely within the EU. Illegal migrants are illegal whether they're economic or not. That's why they're called illegal. If you want to stop illegal immigration you need close international cooperation through multilateral institutions - in this case the EU. The UN deals with refugees on a multilateral level. Yeh great idea lets muddy the waters a bit more.
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 4, 2015 17:12:12 GMT
Why? The UK isn't in the EU Schengen Area so what purpose would that serve? It just means UK citizens can't work freely within the EU. Illegal migrants are illegal whether they're economic or not. That's why they're called illegal. If you want to stop illegal immigration you need close international cooperation through multilateral institutions - in this case the EU. The UN deals with refugees on a multilateral level. Yeh great idea lets muddy the waters a bit more. It's not muddying the waters. It's how it works. If you stop the free movement of people between EU countries (ie one of the founding principles of the EU) then UK workers working in the EU can't travel freely either. Quid pro quo. The UK isn't in the Schengen Area which is why you need a passport to enter and/or leave the UK. Illegal immigrants are illegal. Whether they're economic or not is irrelevant.
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Sept 4, 2015 17:20:55 GMT
Europe today still entrenches itself in political correctness and encircles itself with walls of taboos and dogma… We must let go of the erroneous theory of multicultural society, just before Europe is going to be turned into one big refugee camp.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 4, 2015 17:27:53 GMT
Can't believe how many of you think this is a good idea.
Reject them and they will try to come, accept them and they will try to come in their thousands.
Just go to war in Syria and try to eradicate ISIS, then help to bring stability to the region instead of accepting defeat and bringing families to Europe.
Are you saying that we can securely vet these Asylum Seekers? I'm fairly sure the Islamic State are rubbing their hands over this situation.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 4, 2015 17:38:47 GMT
Can't believe how many of you think this is a good idea. Reject them and they will try to come, accept them and they will try to come in their thousands. Just go to war in Syria and try to eradicate ISIS, then help to bring stability to the region instead of accepting defeat and bringing families to Europe. Are you saying that we can securely vet these Asylum Seekers? I'm fairly sure the Islamic State are rubbing their hands over this situation. ive seen pictures of the same people Isis fighters one day. Asylum seekers the next
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Post by slother on Sept 4, 2015 18:33:19 GMT
Of course they're well dressed with mobile phones, until recently Syria was a respectable successful country. Then ISIS moved in and wrecked the place. If the UK turned into a warzone and you had to leave you'd take your phone with you wouldn't you? Or would that preclude you from being helped? You complain when they're "barbarians". You complain when they're "civilised". Face it, you're thick as shit and would do best to do the opposite of what your monkey brain tells you. Sent from my Nexus 5 using proboards So proud of that one you liked your own post eh? :D Lol whoops. I was posting from my phone and the app was playing up. I was quoting replies but they haven't come through either. Ah well... fuck it. ^
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Post by slother on Sept 4, 2015 18:40:18 GMT
Can't believe how many of you think this is a good idea. Reject them and they will try to come, accept them and they will try to come in their thousands. Just go to war in Syria and try to eradicate ISIS, then help to bring stability to the region instead of accepting defeat and bringing families to Europe. Are you saying that we can securely vet these Asylum Seekers? I'm fairly sure the Islamic State are rubbing their hands over this situation. ive seen pictures of the same people Isis fighters one day. Asylum seekers the next We're already providing "support" to the Syrian army versus ISIS in Syria, reaching so far as to allow RAF pilots to bomb targets in US planes. The House of Commons voted against military action 285 to 272. Cameron doesn't actually need to respect the wishes of the Commons but has said that he will. Opponents of another all out war point to the fact that Western wars in the Middle East contributed massively to the recruitment and arming of ISIS. These people are fleeing that war. They aren't ISIS. In fact, a handful of people in this country are leaving it all behind to fight for ISIS. A handful, mind.
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Post by slother on Sept 4, 2015 18:42:13 GMT
Can't believe how many of you think this is a good idea. Reject them and they will try to come, accept them and they will try to come in their thousands. Just go to war in Syria and try to eradicate ISIS, then help to bring stability to the region instead of accepting defeat and bringing families to Europe. Are you saying that we can securely vet these Asylum Seekers? I'm fairly sure the Islamic State are rubbing their hands over this situation. We're only accepting refugees from the official camps. So they've already been securely vetted. Yes, I'm sure ISIS are fairly gleeful over the havoc they're causing. They're cunts.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 4, 2015 18:54:18 GMT
Migrants are different to asylum seekers And not all asylum seekers should travel half way across the world endangering themselves and their families passing through safe countries to get to the uk either There needs to be a balance The UK for example could use their overseas aid fund to bung Hungary and other countries a few quid to help pay That would be equally as valid. When you have to start quoting yourself salop that is quite worrying ;-)
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 4, 2015 18:54:49 GMT
Can't believe how many of you think this is a good idea. Reject them and they will try to come, accept them and they will try to come in their thousands. Just go to war in Syria and try to eradicate ISIS, then help to bring stability to the region instead of accepting defeat and bringing families to Europe. Are you saying that we can securely vet these Asylum Seekers? I'm fairly sure the Islamic State are rubbing their hands over this situation. ive seen pictures of the same people Isis fighters one day. Asylum seekers the next Where you seen these pics that so obviously sum up the current situation Salop? Daily Mail per chance.
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 4, 2015 18:55:16 GMT
ive seen pictures of the same people Isis fighters one day. Asylum seekers the next We're already providing "support" to the Syrian army versus ISIS in Syria, reaching so far as to allow RAF pilots to bomb targets in US planes. The House of Commons voted against military action 285 to 272. Cameron doesn't actually need to respect the wishes of the Commons but has said that he will. Opponents of another all out war point to the fact that Western wars in the Middle East contributed massively to the recruitment and arming of ISIS. These people are fleeing that war. They aren't ISIS. In fact, a handful of people in this country are leaving it all behind to fight for ISIS. A handful, mind. We have absolutely no idea of who they are or what their intentions are. No idea at all. Are you suggesting that ISIS are playing by the rules and won't use this opportunity to exploit it?
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