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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 18:02:57 GMT
Should be at CB with Muniesa with Cameron at CM ahead of MVG. Our team would have better graft for sure in the middle.
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Post by alster on Aug 31, 2015 18:04:07 GMT
Should be at CB with Muniesa with Cameron at CM ahead of MVG. That's been my stopgap solution too but others have said its unacceptable. For me we're lacking physical presence in CM and whilst MVG may turn out to be a decent player its not something he's going to provide IMO. Geoff is stronger and has an abundance of energy despite being a limited footballer again imo. I'd like to see better but at this late stage unless things have been happening behind the scenes to bring in a high quality physically imposing CM I'd worry that we'd make a bad but due to rushing in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 18:04:30 GMT
Pure speculation on my part but what if Wilson is aware Hughes is looking to bring in another defender before the window closes.Maybe he thinks he'll be further down the pecking order so make it aware he's not a happy chappy Yep, and him being an international who could blame him
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 18:04:52 GMT
We're 4 games into the new season and you've been injured. Pipe down Marc and earn a place instead of moaning. His training has been apparently sub par to what extent who knows. He played some woeful balls versus Luton which were worrisome. I still think he isn't fully fit.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 31, 2015 18:05:59 GMT
I wouldn't expect any player to say they're happy on the bench. He's been out injured as DaveJ says above. It's not harmed his National call up, so he can't have a gripe about that. I've not heard what he's said but no doubt it's a bit of a statement of intent to fight his way into starting contention. Hughes has stressed the importance of the squad and rotation, and has backed that up by giving the majority of the 25 minutes in these first five matches. Good defensive cover, still debatable for me whether he's our best left back. He's never impressed in midfield or on the wing! so far. If he indeed wants to leave to get more game time though, good luck to him.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 31, 2015 18:07:12 GMT
The last thing we need is unrest in the camp and / or a snowball effect from the Walters issue We are also in danger of making too many changes too soon Our success in the Prem has involved playing as a team - not 11 superstars It's great to see ambition but MH needs to manage a big squad with all players wanting to be involved - that's his job If he's whinging (and he has more right to than Walters imo) then what can you do? I'd be whinging if I'd seen Cameron overtake me in the starting XI and someone like Wollscheid signed up. Let's hope the whingeing doesn't spread to Whelan during the International break
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 18:08:45 GMT
If he's whinging (and he has more right to than Walters imo) then what can you do? I'd be whinging if I'd seen Cameron overtake me in the starting XI and someone like Wollscheid signed up. Let's hope the whingeing doesn't spread to Whelan during the International break Why would Whelan whinge? He got the contract he wanted. It's the only contract extension of him, Adam, Cameron, Wingie and Crouch that has made sense!
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 31, 2015 18:09:28 GMT
But we won't get better than Wilson (who is vastly underrated) who will be content to be a back up. If you bring someone of any real quality in then you risk pissing off another player who will then seek talks. This is the problem that clubs like Stoke City have. Remember the woodgate upson situation
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Post by alster on Aug 31, 2015 18:10:13 GMT
With Ryan out for me he's half of our best CB partnership with Muni but obviously if he's not happy he won't sign an extension and the club would have to sell and replace him. If the club weren't prepared to lose N'Zonzi for nothing rather than sell for a low ball fee you'd expect them to take the same stance with Wilson and as it appears Walters. We've been living under a brick to be honest in not previously having to face losing players we want to keep. It happens to all clubs even the biggest, we'll just have to get used to it and get a bit more proactive about keeping players we're determined to hold onto with longer to run on their contracts or start actively looking to move them on once they enter the last 2 years to avoid clubs having our pants down like they've done with Bego and N'Zonzi who's fees look ridiculously low in the present market. De Gea moving to Madrid £29 million we sold Bego for peanuts compared to that. That's because we resigned ourselves to selling him for fear of losing him for nothing. United have played hardball stated they'd hold him to the final twelve months of his contract and extracted a much better fee from Madrid if that report is correct. They were still a bit stupid to let him get into his last year anyway but they've taken it to the wire whereas we caved in early.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 31, 2015 18:10:52 GMT
Should be at CB with Muniesa with Cameron at CM ahead of MVG. I thought MVG showed real glimpses of being a top player for us on Saturday. He was also the third highest in Premier League stats for miles covered in a game. I think he'll keep improving to a very high level.
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Post by flinteastwood on Aug 31, 2015 18:13:20 GMT
id get rid as long as there is a player coming in. there is a reason hes 4th/5th choice hes not good enough.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 31, 2015 18:14:45 GMT
Do Man Utd have the time / have done their homework, to get in a suitable replacement?
Situation would have been ideal for Begovic and Man Utd
We may have not got an exact replacement for N'Zonzi, but have players in who can work together and improve
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 31, 2015 18:14:45 GMT
De Gea moving to Madrid £29 million we sold Bego for peanuts compared to that. That's because we resigned ourselves to selling him for fear of losing him for nothing. United have played hardball stated they'd hold him to the final twelve months of his contract and extracted a much better fee from Madrid if that report is correct. They were still a bit stupid to let him get into his last year anyway but they've taken it to the wire whereas we caved in early. And we made ourselves look amateurish in the process, that's two of our crown jewels sold off far to cheaply, I hope this was not done to fund a marquee signing if it is Hughes needs to take a long hard look at himself.
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Post by alster on Aug 31, 2015 18:26:32 GMT
That's because we resigned ourselves to selling him for fear of losing him for nothing. United have played hardball stated they'd hold him to the final twelve months of his contract and extracted a much better fee from Madrid if that report is correct. They were still a bit stupid to let him get into his last year anyway but they've taken it to the wire whereas we caved in early. And we made ourselves look amateurish in the process, that's two of our crown jewels sold off far to cheaply, I hope this was not done to fund a marquee signing if it is Hughes needs to take a long hard look at himself. I doubt it the money was on the table for Shaq in January so was already available. I think we've just been easily scared by the prospect of losing a couple of our major players for nothing and that's made us weak in our negotiations. I think a lot of players in that situation faced with being out of the picture for a whole year would reconsider signing the extension offered once the transfer window closed to put themselves back in contention. Few players will just allow their career to stall for a year because there's no guarantee that after a year out their suitors would still want to offer them the same money.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 31, 2015 18:30:07 GMT
I expect all players to want to be picked, but as Sir Bobby Robson has written when managing top clubs (PSV, Sporting, Benfica) you need c.20 players in the squad who can be first choice players to cover injury, suspension, rest, loss of form etc. This inevitably means that potentially 4 first choice players are not going to make the bench if everyone is available to be picked. It follows to be in a top club you have to expect that sometimes you are going to be "rested".
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 31, 2015 18:53:37 GMT
And we made ourselves look amateurish in the process, that's two of our crown jewels sold off far to cheaply, I hope this was not done to fund a marquee signing if it is Hughes needs to take a long hard look at himself. I doubt it the money was on the table for Shaq in January so was already available. I think we've just been easily scared by the prospect of losing a couple of our major players for nothing and that's made us weak in our negotiations. I think a lot of players in that situation faced with being out of the picture for a whole year would reconsider signing the extension offered once the transfer window closed to put themselves back in contention. Few players will just allow their career to stall for a year because there's no guarantee that after a year out their suitors would still want to offer them the same money. Spot on those mirror my feelings exactly, we should have grown a pair and kept both at least until January, we have failed to replace Zonz and I think we will struggle to replace him properly with the money we got for him, VG is not the man to do that for me, we look much weaker as a team at the start of the season compared to the end of last. People are saying we have a better squad watching the Luton game I would argue that point, football is played on a pitch not on a piece of paper.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 31, 2015 18:55:06 GMT
He should start the next game at centre back. Yeah and we all know who needs dropping
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 18:56:10 GMT
He should start the next game at centre back. Yeah and we all know who needs dropping Yup! Then I can start the Wilson bashing and have the Irish lot accusing me of hating the Irish. That'll be fun.
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Post by alster on Aug 31, 2015 18:57:12 GMT
I doubt it the money was on the table for Shaq in January so was already available. I think we've just been easily scared by the prospect of losing a couple of our major players for nothing and that's made us weak in our negotiations. I think a lot of players in that situation faced with being out of the picture for a whole year would reconsider signing the extension offered once the transfer window closed to put themselves back in contention. Few players will just allow their career to stall for a year because there's no guarantee that after a year out their suitors would still want to offer them the same money. Spot on those mirror my feelings exactly, we should have grown a pair and kept both at least until January, we have failed to replace Zonz and I think we will struggle to replace him properly with the money we got for him, VG is not the man to do that for me, we look much weaker as a team at the start of the season compared to the end of last. People are saying we have a better squad watching the Luton game I would argue that point, football is played on a pitch not on a piece of paper. Unless you found a hidden gem I don't think you could get a like for like replacement for N'Zonzi for his and Begos fees combined. We need to grow some balls and play hardball with players and other clubs alike.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 31, 2015 18:59:33 GMT
Yeah and we all know who needs dropping Yup! Then I can start the Wilson bashing and have the Irish lot accusing me of hating the Irish. That'll be fun. You'll have nobody to bash because everything will be perfect. I'm not American btw? Odd remark. If Wilson starts at centre back, it'll only be if Cameron moves into central midfield. Cameron has been one of our best players this season.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 31, 2015 19:00:01 GMT
All the signs of trouble ahead top professionals like these two making noises , landed in the bottom three , no wins , very sad .
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Post by Titan Uranus on Aug 31, 2015 19:00:13 GMT
If Wooly is the answer...what's the question?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 19:01:26 GMT
Yup! Then I can start the Wilson bashing and have the Irish lot accusing me of hating the Irish. That'll be fun. You'll have nobody to bash because everything will be perfect. I'm not American btw? Odd remark. If Wilson starts at centre back, it'll only be if Cameron moves into central midfield. Cameron has been one of our best players this season. I haven't said you're American! It's just that when I go blaming Wilson for making the same mistakes he usually does, I get accused of hating the Irish. It's fucking hilarious. And we wonder why we've only got 2 points if that's the case.....
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Post by lastoftheldk on Aug 31, 2015 19:08:37 GMT
We're 4 games into the new season and you've been injured. Pipe down Marc and earn a place instead of moaning. His training has been apparently sub par to what extent who knows. He played some woeful balls versus Luton which were worrisome. I still think he isn't fully fit. How do you know this ???
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Post by metalhead on Aug 31, 2015 19:17:48 GMT
You'll have nobody to bash because everything will be perfect. I'm not American btw? Odd remark. If Wilson starts at centre back, it'll only be if Cameron moves into central midfield. Cameron has been one of our best players this season. I haven't said you're American! It's just that when I go blaming Wilson for making the same mistakes he usually does, I get accused of hating the Irish. It's fucking hilarious. And we wonder why we've only got 2 points if that's the case..... Well, I know you're basically really good at using bizarre and farfetched explanations for blaming Geoff for every goal we've conceded.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 19:19:35 GMT
I haven't said you're American! It's just that when I go blaming Wilson for making the same mistakes he usually does, I get accused of hating the Irish. It's fucking hilarious. And we wonder why we've only got 2 points if that's the case..... Well, I know you're basically really good at using bizarre and farfetched explanations for blaming Geoff for every goal we've conceded. They're not farfetched though are they? They are there for all to see.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 31, 2015 19:58:59 GMT
Well, I know you're basically really good at using bizarre and farfetched explanations for blaming Geoff for every goal we've conceded. They're not farfetched though are they? They are there for all to see. I've missed 'em Bayern. Nothing to do with the Liverpool goal, either of the Tottenham goals, you blame him for Norwich despite the fact that Muni was out of position (actually in front of Glen when the ball is played back in), and you also blame him fro the goal against WBA - perhaps he has some culpability, but so did several others? We all know you don't rate him, but you are in real danger of just making anything you write about Cameron, being viewed with about the same degree of relevance as anything Benjamin B writes in general. You are better than that; Cameron has done okay - and Wilson has more than one ric in his locker whenever he plays.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 31, 2015 20:02:12 GMT
We don't exactly need him You're taking the piss right? He's the second best defender currently at the club, and the best one is injured. I'm not a massive Wilson fan, but he's the best defender currently fit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 20:07:17 GMT
They're not farfetched though are they? They are there for all to see. I've missed 'em Bayern. Nothing to do with the Liverpool goal, either of the Tottenham goals, you blame him for Norwich despite the fact that Muni was out of position (actually in front of Glen when the ball is played back in), and you also blame him fro the goal against WBA - perhaps he has some culpability, but so did several others? We all know you don't rate him, but you are in real danger of just making anything you write about Cameron, being viewed with about the same degree of relevance as anything Benjamin B writes in general. You are better than that; Cameron has done okay - and Wilson has more than one ric in his locker whenever he plays. The Tottenham goal where Geoff gets dragged out to the right wing? Muni is out there winning a second ball, Geoff and Pieters have to cover for me. Shaqiri for not stopping the cross maybe but we don't stop crosses, it's fucking annoying. You've forgotten Luton too! I couldn't give a shit, the same defence was given to Danny Collins and now he's viewed as a joke, he's nowhere near that bad it's a similar situation where a player is undermining the team's efforts with daft errors. Wilson does, I hate him at centre back! I've never hidden that.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 31, 2015 20:17:02 GMT
I've missed 'em Bayern. Nothing to do with the Liverpool goal, either of the Tottenham goals, you blame him for Norwich despite the fact that Muni was out of position (actually in front of Glen when the ball is played back in), and you also blame him fro the goal against WBA - perhaps he has some culpability, but so did several others? We all know you don't rate him, but you are in real danger of just making anything you write about Cameron, being viewed with about the same degree of relevance as anything Benjamin B writes in general. You are better than that; Cameron has done okay - and Wilson has more than one ric in his locker whenever he plays. The Tottenham goal where Geoff gets dragged out to the right wing? Muni is out there winning a second ball, Geoff and Pieters have to cover for me. Shaqiri for not stopping the cross maybe but we don't stop crosses, it's fucking annoying. You've forgotten Luton too! I couldn't give a shit, the same defence was given to Danny Collins and now he's viewed as a joke, he's nowhere near that bad it's a similar situation where a player is undermining the team's efforts with daft errors. Wilson does, I hate him at centre back! I've never hidden that. Tottenham's second goal is because SJW hasn't tracked the full back, or actually has but didn't keep up with him - Luton? If you are serious then I think that your obsession with G.Cam is such that if I was him, I'd wonder if you have a contract out on him. I like a lot of what you write, but you definitely have issues with G.Cam such that I can only smile or laugh when you start! And as you say with your view on Wilson, I am by no means G.Cam's biggest (or even average) fan.
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