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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 10:04:31 GMT
Gravity is coming and we need to deal with it over the next 48 Hoirs if we don't she will have us for sure . The window was bad enough the results worse but for me the performances no clean sheets and never looking like winning but always the position of going under spell big big trouble ahead . Take my bet then biscuit boy and put your money where your mouth is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 10:08:02 GMT
Luckily the manager isn't as silly as you Well he was silly enough - if that was his decision - to spunk 3.5 million on a player who can't even get on the bench when the regular CB he was supposed to replace is out injured for 3-4 months Great business that !! Solved all our defensive problems by buying a reserve for the reserved have we? But I'm so silly I forgot wolly played for Germany twice !! Earth shattering that is !! Couldn't find anything on the second cap but the first one happened to be a friendly against mighty Ecuador in the summer heat of Florida !!! And then we have the temerity on this board to describe as shit players who play for other clubs with the list including Cahill, Henderson, Johnson (in his pre-stoke days), Lennon and yday even Austin !!! If these are shit then what does that make wolly ???!!! Wilson will always be picked over Wollscheid as a sub due to his versatility. But you need to calm down and not get carried away, he came on against Liverpool and he did just fine, he did ok at Luton in a very poor team performance. He's not the pub footballer you and some others are trying to make out just because he runs a bit funny, lost his head against Sunderland for 20 minutes and had cross words with Bardsley on Tuesday which happens every game up and down the land....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 10:09:03 GMT
Can people stop using this term "we've lost Moses". He was never ours to begin with and while I hoped we would sign him, deep down, I knew we wouldn't. He's exactly the kind of big squad player Chelsea need and he will do a job for them. I'm in no doubt that Hughes will have asked Chelsea what their price tag was and it'll have been much higher, thanks to a very good season for us. Don't forget his injury issues too so Victor was never the silver bullet. For me, the thing we lack the most now is a leader at the back. I hoped Geoff would use his experience but it just isn't happening and that's despite playing very very well so far this season. Unfortunately, if Ryan had had the opp when he should have, this could have all been avoided. It doesn't matter that he was never ours, it's one of the reasons I'm not a fan of loans because it just leaves you in the same position a year down the line. He was a big part of our squad and team and we are indeed missing him. And we still need to replace him. Not being ours doesn't matter one bit.
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Post by cymap on Aug 31, 2015 10:11:22 GMT
I say lost Moses as that's exactly whats happened ...he no longer plays for us so I am saying his qualities are lost to the team. I really wouldn't want him back anyway ...too injury prone but we still haven't replaced what has been lost from the team.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 31, 2015 10:11:43 GMT
Can people stop using this term "we've lost Moses". He was never ours to begin with and while I hoped we would sign him, deep down, I knew we wouldn't. He's exactly the kind of big squad player Chelsea need and he will do a job for them. I'm in no doubt that Hughes will have asked Chelsea what their price tag was and it'll have been much higher, thanks to a very good season for us. Don't forget his injury issues too so Victor was never the silver bullet. For me, the thing we lack the most now is a leader at the back. I hoped Geoff would use his experience but it just isn't happening and that's despite playing very very well so far this season. Unfortunately, if Ryan had had the opp when he should have, this could have all been avoided. It doesn't matter that he was never ours, it's one of the reasons I'm not a fan of loans because it just leaves you in the same position a year down the line. He was a big part of our squad and team and we are indeed missing him. And we still need to replace him. Not being ours doesn't matter one bit. to be fair, I've only just found out he's signing for west ham on loan. Very good signing. He didn't want to be here though, that proves it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 10:13:25 GMT
My worry is I cant say we've strengthened where we lost moses and nzonzi and CBs also we haven't improved the team apart from shaq. If we look at other teams strengthening around us then there is only one way we will go in the league and that's below where we finished last season. I just hope Hughes and upstairs know what they are doing and we don't slide too much. Penny pinching is not the way to go especially this year.£11 million on Joselu and Phil "arms" wolli says that we ain't penny pinching, just wasting the windfall! Unfortunately I have to agree with this. Add a couple of million to that and we could have signed Charlie Austin. Quantity over quality for me.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 31, 2015 10:14:51 GMT
With little over 24 hours to the window closing I can't see anyone else coming in and a couple likely to go out
It's easy to pick holes and I remain concerned about the holes left by Nzonzi and Moses (who I know wasn't our player but he was as much our player as Van Ginkel is now)
The biggest mistake though has to be to go into Autumn / Winter without a Shawcross alternative. I would argue that overall following this window closing we are, as a first 11, weaker than last season without him and when you see everyone else spending money like its going out of fashion I think failure to address this is tantamount to negligence
Let's also not forget that we now have 2 players missing for the next 3 games to boot
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Post by metalhead on Aug 31, 2015 10:14:55 GMT
I say lost Moses as that's exactly whats happened ...he no longer plays for us so I am saying his qualities are lost to the team. I really wouldn't want him back anyway ...too injury prone but we still haven't replaced what has been lost from the team. Very injury prone imo
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 10:17:16 GMT
It doesn't matter that he was never ours, it's one of the reasons I'm not a fan of loans because it just leaves you in the same position a year down the line. He was a big part of our squad and team and we are indeed missing him. And we still need to replace him. Not being ours doesn't matter one bit. to be fair, I've only just found out he's signing for west ham on loan. Very good signing. He didn't want to be here though, that proves it. Not really. He's got a young family who love in London, it makes loads of sense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 10:18:04 GMT
I say lost Moses as that's exactly whats happened ...he no longer plays for us so I am saying his qualities are lost to the team. I really wouldn't want him back anyway ...too injury prone but we still haven't replaced what has been lost from the team. Even before the sendings off on Saturday we were crying out for some pace and trickery down the left, I honestly don't think Arnie is consistent enough to be the answer. I think we'll probably be ok but I have reservations about our dealings this window. I would be a lot happier if we got a beast of a midfielder to help Whelan out.
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Post by adamsson on Aug 31, 2015 10:23:59 GMT
Gravity is coming and we need to deal with it over the next 48 Hoirs if we don't she will have us for sure . The window was bad enough the results worse but for me no clean sheets and never looking like winning spell big big trouble ahead . Lets be honest the results have been just what you wanted, when we win you are nowhere to be seen
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Post by metalhead on Aug 31, 2015 10:23:47 GMT
to be fair, I've only just found out he's signing for west ham on loan. Very good signing. He didn't want to be here though, that proves it. Not really. He's got a young family who love in London, it makes loads of sense. Yes it does. So I reiterate, he didn't want to be here. Reasons why are irrelevant. I wish him all the best.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 31, 2015 10:24:46 GMT
I say lost Moses as that's exactly whats happened ...he no longer plays for us so I am saying his qualities are lost to the team. I really wouldn't want him back anyway ...too injury prone but we still haven't replaced what has been lost from the team. Even before the sendings off on Saturday we were crying out for some pace and trickery down the left, I honestly don't think Arnie is consistent enough to be the answer. I think we'll probably be ok but I have reservations about our dealings this window. I would be a lot happier if we got a beast of a midfielder to help Whelan out. if Arnie had come on 20 minutes earlier, we'd have got a draw
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 10:25:12 GMT
Not really. He's got a young family who love in London, it makes loads of sense. Yes it does. So I reiterate, he didn't want to be here. Reasons why are irrelevant. I wish him all the best. I don't think that's the case, I think it's just that they're a better option on about every front.
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Post by Matthews dad on Aug 31, 2015 10:25:42 GMT
Gravity is coming and we need to deal with it over the next 48 Hoirs if we don't she will have us for sure . The window was bad enough the results worse but for me no clean sheets and never looking like winning spell big big trouble ahead . Lets be honest the results have been just what you wanted, when we win you are nowhere to be seen What is this "WIN" that you speak of?
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Post by stokemark on Aug 31, 2015 10:26:32 GMT
Thinking about it, as far as the first 11 goes we have lost -
Begovic, Nzonzi, Shawcross and Moses as nailed on starters
We have gained -
Shaquiri and Johnson as 'nailed on starters
We already had Butland and I would argue that VG is far from nailed on and still has a lot to prove
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 31, 2015 10:29:16 GMT
We have lots of technical skil but apart from Diouf lack pace and Power and that may cost us especially with Ryan missing a few months , still expect the signings to improve hopefully but none seem to have those much needed qualities
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Post by slother on Aug 31, 2015 10:30:37 GMT
I expected a slight regression this season after losing Nzonzi and Begovic, and with Shawcross missing at least half. I still think we've signed some excellent players all of whom have several years at the top level ahead of them. We'll finish around 12th this year. And we've spent no money which, if the right player isn't available, is better than spunking it on the wrong player. I urge patience for the year ahead and wish the scouts the best of luck in uncovering the next John Stones, the next Morgan Schneiderlin, the next Marko Arnautovic :)
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Aug 31, 2015 10:36:30 GMT
Gravity is coming and we need to deal with it over the next 48 Hoirs if we don't she will have us for sure . The window was bad enough the results worse but for me the performances no clean sheets and never looking like winning but always the position of going under spell big big trouble ahead . Why do you have a continued preoccupation with gravity? Think you will find that it doesn't need to come, it's been with us even before we left the trees and bananas behind and starting walking upright you chimp. I thought Cobham had started a really decent and well thought out thread here, but unfortunately idiots like yourself can't help but join in with your pathetic and mostly unintelligible 'I told you so' contributions. Join the Baggie from last night and bugger off permanently, do us all a favour. As for me, I share Cobham's concerns, as we appear to be once again a work in progress, but it is early days and only 4 games in. I always thought losing N'Zonzi coupled with Ryan injured would give us a tough start. I have never hidden the fact that I really do despise Monkfish and Swansea, but what is it about them (and Southampton) that they are able to make major personnel changes without appearing to have the issues that we face every season? Is it just a case of us not spending at the right levels in the right areas ie penny pinching?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 31, 2015 10:44:59 GMT
My worry is I cant say we've strengthened where we lost moses and nzonzi and CBs also we haven't improved the team apart from shaq. If we look at other teams strengthening around us then there is only one way we will go in the league and that's below where we finished last season. I just hope Hughes and upstairs know what they are doing and we don't slide too much. Penny pinching is not the way to go especially this year.£11 million on Joselu and Phil "arms" wolli says that we ain't penny pinching, just wasting the windfall! Joselu a waste, please explain?
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Post by stokemark on Aug 31, 2015 10:51:04 GMT
£11 million on Joselu and Phil "arms" wolli says that we ain't penny pinching, just wasting the windfall! Joselu a waste, please explain? I'd argue a waste given we have Crouch and when we clearly are looking to be as close to a zero net spend as possible also a luxury
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 31, 2015 10:51:17 GMT
Luckily the manager isn't as silly as you Well he was silly enough - if that was his decision - to spunk 3.5 million on a player who can't even get on the bench when the regular CB he was supposed to replace is out injured for 3-4 months Great business that !! Solved all our defensive problems by buying a reserve for the reserved have we? But I'm so silly I forgot wolly played for Germany twice !! Earth shattering that is !! Couldn't find anything on the second cap but the first one happened to be a friendly against mighty Ecuador in the summer heat of Florida !!! And then we have the temerity on this board to describe as shit players who play for other clubs with the list including Cahill, Henderson, Johnson (in his pre-stoke days), Lennon and yday even Austin !!! If these are shit then what does that make wolly ???!!! Add Puncheon and Shelvey to your list; two players I'd have here in a heartbeat.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 31, 2015 10:52:35 GMT
Butland Given Haugaard Johnson Cameron Bardsley Pieters Wilson Muniesa
Shawcross Muniesa Cameron Wilson Wollscheid
Whelan Cameron MVG Adam Sidwell
Bojan Ireland Adam Afellay
Arnie Afellay Moha Shaq Walters Wingie Afellay
Diouf Joselu Crouch Wingie Walters
You'd have to say there are slight concerns with Shawcross, Pieters, Whelan, and wing cover without mentioning the N'Zonzi issue and the lack of pace and power in general (especially up front ) should anything happen to Diouf.
Depends how glass half full or glass half empty you are with regards to how concerning they are, especially with Adam and Afellay out for the next month now.
It'll be interesting to see how he plans to use Afellay. It's not immediately obvious.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 31, 2015 10:53:04 GMT
Joselu a waste, please explain? I'd argue a waste given we have Crouch and when we clearly are looking to be as close to a zero net spend as possible also a luxury We needed a striker and we got one, I don't see how it's a luxury.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 31, 2015 11:00:57 GMT
I'd argue a waste given we have Crouch and when we clearly are looking to be as close to a zero net spend as possible also a luxury We needed a striker and we got one, I don't see how it's a luxury. We have Crouch, Walters and Odemwingie on the books already We have Whelan as our only defensive central midfielder It's all about priorities when we clearly don't want to spend much
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 11:10:14 GMT
Personally, we've had a good window, but I seem to be in the sheer minority in thinking this.
Okay, the results have been disappointing, but the performances have been (largely) encouraging - okay, we're not flying like Swansea and Palace currently are (in terms of both results and winning performances), but it's not really a cause for concern for a good while yet.
I have myself had internal doubts regarding the overall quality and toughness of the squad, as well as the lack of points from the first four games, but I'm still feeling optimistic and am genuinely looking forward to the rest of the season as a Stoke supporter.
To be honest, if we're still rooted to the bottom by Christmas, with no hope in sight and Hughes not being able to find his best 11 still, then fair enough, let's have a collective meltdown. But this whole 'I TOLD YOU SO' mentality is just so tiresome.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 31, 2015 11:11:18 GMT
I do think team selection has a lot to do with it too and to date I don't actually think we've played our strongest lineup yet which is partly down to injuries and partly down to team selection. I really like the 4231 formation but you need certain players to make it work. I think this season playing VanG and Afellay has hindered this. 1 or the other at best for me. I think someone posted earlier that VanG would be better without Afellay in the team and that wouldn't surprise me. For me this is our strongest 11 minus Ryan. If we could have the Odom of 2 years ago he'd be in there ahead of Arnie but that at the moment seems unlikely.
GK - Jack
RB - Glen CB - Wilson CB - Muni LB - Eric
DM - Whelo DM - GCam
RW - Shaw AM - Bojan LW - Arni
CF - Diouf
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 31, 2015 11:19:56 GMT
Well now the dust as settled its quite clear that some haven't learnt from the recent past when Bojan, Muniesa, Diouf and Arnie were all questioned re their ability, build or mental state to cope with the rigours of the Premier League.
Maybe the dust hasn't settled quite yet.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 11:27:37 GMT
£11 million on Joselu and Phil "arms" wolli says that we ain't penny pinching, just wasting the windfall! Joselu a waste, please explain? A waste is harsh. But when money is still clearly a bit tight was spending 6m on a striker we don't overly need a good move when we still need a winger more? I think Joselu will be fine but it does seem a tad mental.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 31, 2015 11:31:22 GMT
Can people stop using this term "we've lost Moses". He was never ours to begin with and while I hoped we would sign him, deep down, I knew we wouldn't. He's exactly the kind of big squad player Chelsea need and he will do a job for them. I'm in no doubt that Hughes will have asked Chelsea what their price tag was and it'll have been much higher, thanks to a very good season for us. Don't forget his injury issues too so Victor was never the silver bullet. For me, the thing we lack the most now is a leader at the back. I hoped Geoff would use his experience but it just isn't happening and that's despite playing very very well so far this season. Unfortunately, if Ryan had had the opp when he should have, this could have all been avoided. It doesn't matter that he was never ours, it's one of the reasons I'm not a fan of loans because it just leaves you in the same position a year down the line. He was a big part of our squad and team and we are indeed missing him. And we still need to replace him. Not being ours doesn't matter one bit. But he only played 17 times and didn't finish a few of those games. After a good start he faded like he has done consistently in his career
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